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The Quick reserve from Performance Variable have a very small pack volume. I think that you have no problems in put the quick 180 in container for 150, but ask your rigger first. Roq

"First off, the JVX has no stabilizers. Stabilizers on small HP canopies don't due much except flap in the wind causing added parasite drag." Is true!, but without stabilizers I think that you have more prone for overstear, induced turns and spinning..., or no!!! ??? Roq

Hi The Demon have AR 3 High AR = less induced drag = better glide angle = better aerodynamic performance Roq

I have physical problems in my spine (because of an accident that I had in 1980) and I cannot make swoop competitions because of that Now I make few jumps because of this problems Roq

Hi Chuck My Onyx 75 is the last and final Atair Onyx version. This canopy have a better behavior than the first onyx versions in flying, openings, swoops and landings.! Roq

I have one Onyx and I jumped it load at 2,4 The canopy have a crossed panels (ribs) it is sewn along whole the cord of the top skin and bottom skin without any other vertical rib besides the normal vertical rib in the center cell. The lines is vectran The nose is open, with finishes in triangle and not partial closed like other cross-braced canopys The platform have to AR 2,7/1 and real volume that I measured is 74,7 Sq ft The opennings is very soft, like the coventional nine cell zp and the canopy is sensitive to harness inputs. Some snivel that demands to drive the canopy in this phase. In flight: Very sensitive canopy Steep Glide Ratio Aggressive and a few oversteer in turns. Very low pressure of front risers Negative arc recovery The manufacture and concept is the habitual great quality Atair, very good workmanship and top concept together with the ZP Gelvenor fabric that guarantee a top performance and long life for the Onyx. I think that this canopy is in the evolution of the modern cross braced canopys and I think that has potential for to compete, with top pilot, in the swoop competitions with any current cross braced canopy. Roq

The Cayenne is excellent intermediate canopy, has good flare, permissive oppenings, very good construction quality and price. Roq

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That I know about the nitro (I had one 88) this canopy have a low Aspect Ratio platform (2,45/1) and low trim angle. In my opinion, this is the reason that (low speed and low AR) the canopy seem to have a good and easy bottom end flare and lift. In my opinion, for these same reasons, the canopy doesn't have an long flare as the modern conventional 9 cell HP canopy with high AR and more trim angle like the Katana, Samurai, Demon, germany Paratech RAGE etc A don't know about the blade canopy, but I know that canopy have a same AR of the nitro Roq

where is thir video? Roq

In my opinion the impression of more larger thickness of RAGE is because RAGE has the conventional front nose form while the x-braced has the of the nose almost completely closed. This visual effect and the less span distortion of the x-braced canopy make the impression that the RAGE have more thickness airfoil. Roq

"On the other hand, I do think xbraced canopies are still superior when it comes to competition swooping! " There is a slight advantage for the x-braced, but I don't see the score to improve a lot for the people that changed the non x-braced HP canopy for the x-braced canopy. I think that a top pilot with x-braced canopy is a top pilot with good non x-braced HP canopy. Roq

What canopys did use the competitors?

I tried the Atair Onyx 75. in spite having few jumps here it is my opinion: Container: Racer Pilot chute: ZP 24 " Wind: null Wing load: 2,36 Construction: The canopy have a crossed panels (ribs) it is sewn along whole the cord of the top skin and bottom skin without any other vertical rib besides the normal vertical rib in the center cell. The nose is open, with finishes in triangle and not partial closed like other cross-braced canopys The platform have to AR 2,7/1 and real volume that I measured is 74,7 Sq ft I heard that the onyx have a size short lines. Is not true the onyx have a line size similar to cobalt canopys. About the lines size I can inform that for example the VX 79 have Span bottom 466 centimeters and A line lengt 248 centimeters. the Onyx 75 have a Span bottom 423 centimenters and A line 229,5 centimeters. This gives a larger rate length of lines for Onyx (54,25% of the span) than the VX 79 (53,21% of the span) It demonstrate that the lines of the onyx are not shorter than for example the VX, what happens it is that VX has a span and larger area than the onyx. (Personal I prefer more short lines because, nevertheless the increase the anedral span curvature the canopy, is more sensitive to inputs and outputs, have less frontal and lateral pendulum and less drag, but also loses aerodynamic performance more quickly) Pack: standard propack, with center cell open, 4 out nose cells roll 1/2 turn for inside (not inside the center cell), quartered slider with lip close to the center cell. To center the nose well and only 2 turns in tail. I admit that am always a little distrustful as I jump a canopy cross-braced, but Onyx surprised me nicely. Soft opennings, some snivel that demands to drive the canopy in this phase. The bad final "kick in back" and front dive normal in some canopys cross-braced didn't happen. The opennings is soft like the coventional nine cell zp and the canopy is sensitive to harness inputs. In flight: Very sensitive canopy Glide Ratio steep. Aggressive and a few oversteer in turns. Very low pressure of front risers Landing: For swoop approaches I think is good option to 270 turn to up 800 feet high with it wing load. Good swoop and flare very very long with big power bottom lift same with no wind. With my wing load we can begin a 270 to 1000 feet Although has an negative and long recovery arch, the canopy levels with a lot of easiness to the input. For big swoop that the canopy need a lot of attention in the transition for the flare because if the input is violent we lost speed that necessary for a long flare. In summary: The manufacture and concept is the habitual great quality Atair, very good workmanship and top concept together with the ZP Gelvenor fabric that guarantee a top performance and long life for the Onyx. I think that this canopy is in the evolution of the modern cross braced canopys and I think that has potential for to compete, with top pilot, in the swoop competitions with any current cross braced canopy. Roq

"Even the independent guys who can buy whatever they want with their hard earned money haven't made the decision to buy this canopy. This is because the other wings that are out there are better performing parachutes-- the buzz from people like me who have demo jumped the thing is that it was a nice try but it needs some work to compete with current designs." How can you sustain that statement? Do how many Onyx or other unknown canopys exist in the swoop competitions in the USA? A few or none! There everyone have VE, or VX or Xaos. All people following the sponsored factory pilots. Here in the europa not it is always like this. See for example the classifications of this competition in Germany where the canopys non cross-braced was more far away than the cross-braced. http://www.swooping.de/docs/scoring_hoexfinal.htm Roq

About the lines size I can inform you that for example the VX 79 have Span bottom 466 centimeters and A line lengt 248 centimeters. the Onyx 75 have a Span bottom 423 centimenters and A line 229,5 centimeters. This gives a larger rate of length of lines for Onyx (54,25% of the span) than the VX 79 (53,21% of the span) It demonstrate that the lines of the onyx are not shorter than for example the VX What happens it is that VX has a span and larger area than the onyx. Roq

No! I mean that they don't have the same support that the pilot PD,PA and Icarus Roq

I think they have no same conditions of the PD, PA and Icarus swoopers. Roq

You know that the only PD, PA and Icarus have a sponsored professional swoopers, that only them win. Like I know Atair have no sponsored swoopers. Roq

"I honestly believe, after seeing the canopy compared with others, that it had the lineset and slider (maybee the sliders are supposed to be the same size) from a 95. The lines were way shorter than all other comparable sq. footage canopies I could get my hands on to take a close look at line length." Like You know, for to compare the line length of two canopys you should compare the span and not the area. Two wings can have the same area and a different span. Have a wings with same area and different span that can have a different length of the lines. And have canopys with same labeled area but different real area. The length of the lines when compared should be proportional to the span of the wing "After flying my Xaos in competition at such a lower wing loading- directly after flying the onyx. I think my Xaos dove for miles longer and had about 25% longer swoop distance, coming in with less initial speed." Any wing can make a big or small swoop consonant the hands of the pilot. Thus, until an old stilleto, when driven well can go far away than a modern cross-braced canopys with inexperienced pilot. For you can compare the Onyx with Xaos you need a similar wing load, similar conditions and similar experience with both canopys Roq

Hi Chuck " have been told that both of the last prototypes fly incredibly well and have a much longer recovery arc than the Atair version of this concept. " I think that the actual Atair Onyx is different of first Atair Onyx canopys. I think the current Atair Onyx have more long recover arch, better openings and different trim that first versions. However I didn't try the first canopys Roq

In last week-end I tried the Onyx 75. in spite having few jumps here it is my opinion: Container: Racer Pilot kicks: ZP 24 " Wind: null Wing load: 2,36 Construction: The canopy have a crossed panels (ribs) it is sewn along whole the cord of the top skin and bottom skin without any other vertical rib besides the normal vertical rib in the center cell. The nose is open, with finishes in triangle and not partial closed like other cross-braced canopys The platform have to AR 2,7/1 and real volume that I measured is 74,7 Sq ft I heard that the onyx have a size short lines. Is not true the onyx have a line size similar to cobalt canopys. Pack: standard propack, with center cell open, 4 out nose cells roll 1/2 turn for inside (not inside the center cell), quartered slider with lip close to the center cell. Well to center the nose and only 2 turns in tail. I admit that am always a little distrustful as I jump a canopy cross-braced, but Onyx surprised me nicely. Soft opennings, some snivel that demands to drive the canopy in this phase. The bad final "kick in back" and front dive didn't happen, that is normal in some canopys cross-braced. The opennings is soft like the coventional nine cell zp and the canopy is sensitive to harness inputs. In flight: Very sensitive canopy Glide Ratio steep. Aggressive and a few oversteer in turns. Very low pressure of front risers Landing: For swoop approaches I think is good option to 270 turn to up 600 feet high with it wing load Good swoop and flare very very long with big power bottom lift same with in the wind. With my wing load we can begin a 270 to 1000 feet Although has an negative and long recovery arch, the canopy levels with a lot of easiness to the minimum input. For big swoop that the canopy need a lot of attention in the transition for the flare because if the input is violent we lost speed that necessary for a long flare. In summary: The manufacture and concept is the habitual great quality Atair, very good workmanship and top concept together with the ZP Gelvenor fabric that guarantee a top performance and long life for the Onyx. I think that this canopy is in the continuation of the modern cross braced canopys and I think that has potential for to compete in the swoop competitions with any current cross braced canopy with top pilot I am no swoop competitor. It is only my opinion Roq

In last week-end I tried the Onyx 75. in spite having few jumps here it is my opinion: Container: Racer Pilot chute: ZP 24 " Wind: null Wing load: 2,36 Construction: The canopy have a crossed panels (ribs) it is sewn along whole the cord of the top skin and bottom skin without any other vertical rib besides the normal vertical rib in the center cell. The nose is open, with finishes in triangle and not partial closed like other cross-braced canopys The platform have to AR 2,7/1 and real volume that I measured is 74,7 Sq ft I heard that the onyx have a size short lines. Is not true the onyx have a line size similar to cobalt canopys. Pack: standard propack, with center cell open, 4 out nose cells roll 1/2 turn for inside (not inside the center cell), quartered slider with lip close to the center cell. Well to center the nose and only 2 turns in tail. I admit that am always a little distrustful as I jump a canopy cross-braced, but Onyx surprised me nicely. Soft opennings, some snivel that demands to drive the canopy in this phase. The bad final "kick in back" and front dive didn't happen, that is normal in some canopys cross-braced. The opennings is soft like the coventional nine cell zp and the canopy is sensitive to harness inputs. In flight: Very sensitive canopy Glide Ratio steep. Aggressive and a few oversteer in turns. Very low pressure of front risers Landing: For swoop approaches I think is good option to 270 turn to up 600 feet high with it wing load Good swoop and flare very very long with big power bottom lift same with in the wind. With my wing load we can begin a 270 to 1000 feet Although has an negative and long recovery arch, the canopy levels with a lot of easiness to the minimum input. For big swoop that the canopy need a lot of attention in the transition for the flare because if the input is violent we lost speed that necessary for a long flare. In summary: The manufacture and concept is the habitual great quality Atair, very good workmanship and top concept together with the ZP Gelvenor fabric that guarantee a top performance and long life for the Onyx. I think that this canopy is in the continuation of the modern cross braced canopys and I think that has potential for to compete in the swoop competitions with any current cross braced canopy with top pilot I am no swoop competitor. It is only my opinion Roq

The Paratec RAGE concept seems to be brilliant and interesting and seems to work really, but I think that it system has some inconveniences: -Tendency to long snivels -Increase the final price of the canopy because need the extra time of manufacture work. However I would like to know the real Aspect Ratio of the RAGE and other flying characteristics Roq

For example, I measured some canopys and the results measured by same process can be seen below: Cobalt 85 : 81,89 Sq feet, Aspect Ratio 2,72 Jedei 105: 105,5, AR 2,88 (You can confirm if it is correct) Nitro 88, 89,3 AR 2,45 Ninja 94, 95 AR 2,9 VX 79, 84,8 AR 2,87 Stilleto 170 Heat Wave 170, 162,6 A/R 2,86 Roq