TheAnvil

Ahhhhhh Grand Master....I believe you are correct in that. At least some of them were Deists if memory serves. God was referenced several times in the Declaration of Independence and I know that prayer did happen during the formation of the Constitution....I must read up on this....interesting...... Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

As my own form of protest against the disgusting lawyer seeking to get OREOS out of California schools, I encourage everyone to buy a pack of OREOS asap. I just bought two myself. Beers to all, Vinny the Anvil

Interesting Bill. Can't argue with you on the smoking thing - I hate the stench of smoke myself; odd for the son of a tobacco farmer. Though I can't stand smoke, I care even less for the losers suing the tobacco companies and loathe those representing them in court. I've never met anyone who both signs and translates foreign languages and I'm a language buff. Interesting point about translators too - American and British sign languages are totally different for the most part but deaf people from both countries read and write. However Bill, you TOTALLY dodge my main point - the fact that language is a binding factor in any nation-state. Yes, we took the language from Great Britain. Big deal. German missed becoming the official language of the US by only ONE VOTE in the Senate in the early years of US history. If you think the course of history wouldn't have taken a different turn had that happened, think again. Navajo, Souix, Seminole, Dakota, Cherokee and several other languages do exist in the US - find me a significant # of people who speak them natively that DO NOT speak English. You'll be hard pressed to do so and I'd be really surprised if you could find even one diaspora. As I stated earlier - Georgia, Lithuania, Croatia, Kazakhstan, and MANY other nationalistic movements have been able to survive under the harshest repression. Why? LANGUAGE. Having subsets of a nation that do not speak the official language of that nation IS a destabilizer. History is replete with examples of this and those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. As far as I'm concerned, learn English if you are going to stay here. Beers, Vinny the Anvil Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

IRON CHEF is hilarious! I love that show. Having lived in Japan for a couple of years, it just makes sense. Close second is that Alton Brown dude. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

Contrary to populr belief, men do NOT get mad when you ladies wear white t-shirts to water parks! We highly support it! Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

The HULK!!! Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

What problems, eh? Have you even LOOKED at the costs of having interpreters on call for hospitals and police precincts? I have friends who are doctors, nurses, and police officers. The problems are there, they are real, and they are expensive in both $$ and time wasted by police officers when they could be doing other things. That's just for medical and police services. Others as well? You're talking a huge chunk o' change. I'd challenge your 'thousand times greater' stat. Taking into account the MILLIONS of $$ taxpayers pick up in medical costs ALONE for illegals who speak no English makes me seriously doubt your assertion. The hospital in Brownsville, TX alone does that monthly I believe. ATCs have other duties than clearing skydivers to jump. They're worth the $$ they make deconflicting air traffic and keeping the skies safe for commercial/military use. You have no tenable point there. Miniscule cost of interpreters? Think again. Salary + benefits + insurance=$$$$$$$$. No way around it. If a company chooses to pay for classes for some of its employees, that's still $$ expended that could be used elsewhere. NON-U.S. CITIZENS HAVE NO RIGHT TO BURDEN U.S. TAXPAYERS NEEDLESSLY. Wanna work? FINE! Bring your family? FINE. Get special treatment at taxpayer expense? HELL NO! Come here illegally? HELL NO! You have to think long term with this language thing. These folks come here and do not leave as a general rule of thumb. When Johnny, Jr. grows up speaking only Spanish and doesn't grasp English all that well, then he himself has a kid who doesn't grasp English all that well, how do you think they identify themselves? As Americans? Nope. They're citizens, being born here, but do NOT identify themselves as Americans. Not a good thing at all. Language, borders, and culture DO make a nation. Maintaining their coherency makes nations strong. Even a quick look at the Quebec/Canada situation lends some insight into that. A look at the former USSR, Yugoslavia, and even all the way back to ancient Rome and her fall and you'll find the lack of common language to be a destabilizer for nation-states. How do you thing Georgian, Azerbeijani, Kazakh, Croatian, and Lithuanian nationalism all survived? By word of mouth? No - by language. Language is the same reason the BRD and DDR were able to once again become a united Germany so easily. It IS a binding factor among people. Americans do accept people of other cultures and do so openly. In return for that acceptance, the least they could do is learn the language. Picasso or Dali's works would be admired by folks all over the world regardless of where they were painted. Their exclusion would have little effect on their legacy as artists. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

That hurts me just looking at it!

The thing about language is far deeper than someone coming to work here. Two main factors are 1) national identity and 2) services. You can make a strong argument - a la Mike Savage - that language, borders, and culture define a nation. All three vary to some extent over time. Culture and language can vary extensively over a short time period as we all know, and borders can change as well though obviously not quite as often. The problem with foreigners not learning the language of the nation to which they have emigrated comes when they settle there. They don't tend to come alone and tend to congregate/live together and form a sub-culture. This further reduces their need to learn the language, and creates massive problems. Both government and private services for these people are a necessity - health care ( I AM NOT FOR SOCIALIZED MEDICINE IN ANY FORM!!! I SIMPLY REFER TO THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE TO COMMUNICATE WITH MEDICAL PERSONNEL!), police services, banking, elementary/high schools, infrastructure in general and etc. Their inability to speak the language of the land forces the government and private business to adapt to their needs, which costs us $$. They chose to come here, they chose to settle here, they chose to start a family here (in some cases). Burdening American taxpayers due to the choices made by foreign nationals is unacceptable. In the long term, having subcultures within a nation-state that speak different languages is a destabilizing factor socially. Language is a common bond between people - a subtle yet important one that helps to form the basis for a national identity. Having different languages within a nation is bad ju-ju. Should we halt immigration? Absolutely not. Should people who stay here be expected to learn the language? Absolutely. The english language and American culture will be changed/enriched over time by their doing so. Beers to all, Vinny the Anvil Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

That article 11 seems to mirror the First Ammendment. Interesting, as I'd never read that before. While the USA is not a Christian Nation, the fact that it was founded on Christian PRINCIPLES is undeniable. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

Dude you're a genius. Here's what we'll do. We Cali folks will form a 'posse' here in Cali to get the SOB. We'll get his sorry ass, kick it thoroughly, force feed him 1000 Oreos in 5 minutes, then throw him in a vat full of fleas and bees and put the vat in a U-Haul. We'll hook the U-haul up to a tricycle and take turns pedalling it to Texas via Eloy. Once we get there, the Texans can take over. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

Only if this damned Oreo's ban goes through.... Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

They'll pry my oreos from my cold dead hands!...er...hand - my other hand will have a gun in it....and a glass of milk to dip my oreos. I'm going to buy a shit-ton of Oreos just to show my support for whoever the hell makes 'em! I encourage everyone here to do the same. Just run a couple more times a week. The idiot filing this lawsuit should be disbarred. I'll bet he's a leftie - probably a John Edwards supporter. Disgusting. OREOS FOREVER!!! The Anvil Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

It's obviously scarred you for life..... Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

Dude I've been to the tunnel in Orlando. It's worth the trip.

If the anti-gunners ever get that much pull, socialism is inevitable. That's one of many reasons they NEVER get my vote!

Those things are a waste of time. It's a method for losers who have done nothing with their lives since high school to get together and regain their former glory for a couple of hours. Those people you care about you kept in contact with - who cares what anyone else thinks? Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

PhillyKev, I'm also puzzled by Bush's stance on this bill. It makes no sense to me from either a crime control or from a political standpoint. Anyone who equates gun control laws with crime control is either ignorant of the facts or a coward hiding behind lies and rhetoric to get themselves re-elected due to the ignorance of the general populace. This bill would do NOTHING to reduce crime. From a political standpoint, one of Bush's strengths is that he has not strayed from his conservatism - as a general rule of thumb. His father lost his bid for re-election because he did just that. It amazes me that Bush is straying from his conservatism here. Like them or not (and I DO like them) the NRA is a powerful force politically - and not one to piss off. I guess Bush figures all of the democratic candidates are so anti-gun that the NRA would NEVER support them, but this bill is still a dumb move politically. Extremely puzzling to me. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

Ahhhhh....THE BEAST!!! And BEAST LITE....staples of my sordid past. Beast, Hamm's, Black Label, Olympia, Schaeffer's, and other horrid brews....that's why I started brewing my own beer in undergrad. I might actually buy a six pack of PBR this week or the BEAST due to this thread...just to spark some memories.....been a while. Beers to all, Vinny the Anvil Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

I feel for you. Pepsi for you......BEER FOR ME!!! Firestone - never had it before yesterday, but it has a good malt. Beers, Vinny the Anvil Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

When he asks you what kind of meat, you need to scream 'Hasenpfeffer' like Yosemite Sam from Bugs Bunny over and over again. Act very agitated when he doesn't understand, then do a brief breakdancing demo in front of the dude. Then kindly state you'd like your usual. If he claims not to know, repeat the procedure. Do this at once a week, changing the days to keep him offguard. I'm sure he'll remember you after a month or so. Beers, Vinny Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

Be straight up with him dude! Just come out and say it. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

My prayers are with you dude. Tomorrow can ONLY be a better day for you. Peace, Vinny

Nope dude, try again. 'Twas a legitimate investigation and an effort for justice - though I'm sure there were some political motivations involved - kind of like The Heritage Foundations multiple IRS audits during the reign of the Clintonistas, eh? Had several key witnesses (MacDougal, et al) testified and the Rose Law firm records been released when asked for, the cost would have been significantly less. Vince Foster's 'suicide', investigators not allowed access to his office immediately afterwards by White House staff, firing of the entire White House travel office....don't you dare to presume to place the cost of the investigation entirely at Republican feet. That works on the left's constituency - of which I am not a part. Beers,

President Bush visited that carrier as a Commander in Chief - not a candidate. It was a good move on his part and the folks in uniform both appreciate it and deserve it. The nice attached picture shows the Prevaricator in Chief on the Teddy R - and shows me all of the dim's whining about President Bush's visit are hypocrites. To further demonstrate their hypocrisy, they include the cost of this speech in their rantings. How many of them raised their voices high and demanded cost data analysis on the former First Lady/Daughter's African Adventure? President Clinton's extensive African/European travel? The First Lady's travel costs to campaign in NY State? I heard Republicans, but no democrats. I could go on, but will stop here as I've made my point. I'll tell you how many- ZERO. Their voices were about as loud as oh-so-proud-to-be-a-veteran John Kerry's voice demanding that military absentee ballots be counted in Florida in 2000. What? You didn't hear him screaming at his fellow democrats not to send busloads of lawyers to Florida to suppress the military vote? Awwwww......I guess he and Ted 'The Bottle' were at the Kopechne residence expressing their condolences for Mary Jo yet again......disgusting. The vast efforts of the left to use this speech on the Abe Lincoln to smear the President shows how desparate they really are to fill their void of ideas. The President did a good thing there for the troops, sailors, and the nation. That it might have helped him politically is just a side effect - BFD. Deal with it. From the right (with beer), Vinny the Anvil Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!!