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If you can find a good deal on an LTI unit like the trupulse 360, I think it will do what you want. I'm pretty sure they have supplied the military in the past, maybe still do. You may know this, but the advertized range is usually to a reflective target and the useful range is probably less than half of that.

Medicare doesn't have to pay for quite a bit of it's administrative cost. It also covers old people, and that greatly skews any comparison with the private industry.

69gr is kind of high, many use 55gr or 65gr. I fully believe that the .223rd will penetrate sheetrock and I'm a LEO. I also believe that the public should be able to purchase and use anything I have available to me. I also believe that the high level specialized training I have should be available as well. As of right now all the weapons (lethal and less-than-lethal) are available for purchase and anyone can pay to go through the same style training I've had from firearms, to defensive tactics to driving. That is how it should be. 69 grains is high but it's the green tip shit we all have. Mk262 is better for me but still shows the the same characteristics. 55grn as well. A lot of SWAT teams are ditching the MP5's for this reason.

Yes I do believe it. Most US LEO's do to. As your report states the 69grn bullet fragments as soon as it hits anything. The testing we did was all with Mk18's (10.3" barrels 7:1 twist I think). The MP5 did far more damage after going through the sheet rock. I was not expecting that and wouldn't believe it if I hadn't seen it.

No I understood. Keep worrying. I still like my MP5 cuz I'm a prick and I don't care (or miss). Your wonderful gubment also gave me a Mk18. I guess only pricks get guns now. Fuck everyone else. They should have different jobs I guess if they want to have the right to defend themselves. Stoopid sheep.

You are a nugget. What part of safely shooting in buildings would not apply to you or me? I don't see how who you are working for would matter. Why should a father trying to protect his children be less concerned with safety than a prick like me?

Nugget that wasn't from the report. Just a fact pertinent to the title of the thread. If LEO's think using AR's are safer for entry teams then why wouldn't it apply to other citizens?

An AR/M16 is the perfect home defense weapon. The 5.56 doesn't penetrate though sheet rock like the 9mm does (hard to believe but true). Lots of agencies are going to the AR/M16 for just this reason. It's simply safer than having people shooting glocks or MP5's inside apartment buildings. That and most are going to hit more often with an AR than a pistol.

Wow, another death threat. I find it highly ironic that so many gun owners want to kill me, simply over a little thing like a political disagreement. In my mind, that should disqualify you from gun ownership, as you obviously don't understand the grave responsibility and restraint that comes with the power of deadly force. And the moderators must be right wing gun nuts themselves for letting you get away with that kind of talk. Sheesh! I did not threaten you, I would never do that. I was just stating a fact. Sheesh!

I had no idea we were that short on guns. I'm going to have to build some more I guess. Having one gun would be like having one piece of cutlery. If you are going to have one you should just go ahead and get at least: .22 rifle .22 pistol shotgun CCW pistol (9mm or larger) and some sort of high power rifle. .308 is a good start depending on where you live. Then if you are not an asshole, you will get suppressors for all of them. These are now considered firearms, so that's at least 4 more. Now we are at 9. I guess we need 8 more times 300 million or so... I'm going to fill up my gas tank tomorrow because I'm afraid of running out of gas. I'll do that on my way to work because I'm afraid of being unemployed. Then I'm going out to shoot some deer because I'm afraid of not eating. Sucks to live in fear but I think I'll keep grinding it though. People like you make me feel better about myself...well that and killing people like you. I get paid to do that

Obesity is a symptom of a poor healthcare system. All else equal, a country with more obesity than another has an inferior healthcare system. That is ridiculous. Obesity has nothing at all to do with the health care system....and it shouldn't in any free country. The countries with little to no obesity typically have the worst health care systems, or none at all. Our health care system didn't buy the video games or KFC for my fat ass neighbor's kid. We are fat because we don't have to work very hard. On average, we don't work that hard to make a living, buy our super-sized value meals, or even to entertain ourselves.

"Ya'll do understand that I came here a sinner and leaving a saint. Take me home, Jesus, take me home, Lord." Something tells me this guy had quite a disappointment about 6:28pm last night. I miss Texas.

Well for one the US is no longer proud of "Christian Values". That stuff is now considered "spreading hate". Anyway, the original text of the Bible doesn't translate to "kill". It's closer to murder. Killing is cool as long as you have a good reason....like killing killers who kill without a good reason.

There is something wrong with this guy. Gun goes inside the belt. Putting all of that shit in a bag and carrying it into a movie is asking for trouble. Maybe that's what he was after. I don't see why body armor is an issue. It's a purely defensive item. I'm starting to wonder if it wouldn't be appropriate for going to the movies now

I'm in disagreement with you here. No where in that report is it documented that fatbodies are adjusted for. It does document in painful detail how the data was manipulated and weighted to make WHOs opinion of ideal the benchmark. From page 40 -Weighing the achievements that go into overall attainment:"...WHO conducted a survey of 1006 respondents from 125 countries, half from among its own staff...." It gets even more goofy when they explain annex table 10. You have to go find another report if you want to know how they calculate "maximum level of DALE achievable for observed expenditure per capita". Maybe that's where they hid the fatbody calculation. Even if you are right about the fatbodies, this is by WHO's own admission, only a measure of how closely each system fits their ideal. Even WHO doesn't advertized this ranking as "quality of health care", so I still maintain that doing so would be misleading.

Yeah I know. And I know the US system has some major shortcomings. I just think someone missed the mark here, that's all.

....and if you only look at the bad attributes you get bullshit "empirical datas". I think being a bunch of fatbodies is more of a cultural issue and not a reflection of health care. Dying in car wrecks often and killing each other are also not really related to health care, IMO. Advertizing that data as a meaningful measure of a nations health care is pretty misleading. I'm not here to defend US health care. There are plenty of legitimate issues with US health care. This just isn't one of them.

I don't know about that. If I had not experienced the health care systems in some of these foreign countries, I would not have realized that the WHO ranking is total bullshit and that it has nothing to do with "health care quality". A quick look at that report shows that it is using "fairness" (degree of socialization) and mortality rates. Considering that the US hasn't socialized it's health care system and is populated by unhealthy fatbodies, it's not hard to see why they would end up ranking low. I'm certainly not defending the US system but it does have the highest quality of care of any system I've experienced (if you can afford it). Also, I don't think anyone will ever find out what the true cost of health care in a socialist country is...especially not Israel.

It was their haste to start chopping off body parts that concerned me. I guess that's one way of keeping costs down though.

You will have a pretty rough time getting any care in Israel unless you have additional private insurance. I've experienced both systems and I can't figure out how you would even compare Israel's health care system to ours. The WHO rating baffles me. I've watched people incur weeks of lost work in Israel over something I would have been able to take care of in a day or two here in the US. We've also had 2 people we had to send to the US for care in the last year. Both were about to have limbs amputated due to infections they got in the hospitals there. Both are recovering in the US now with all of their limbs still attached. WHO is full of shit.

The cost numbers there are probably accurate but don't tell the whole story. You won't get very good quality of care with just the government mandated coverage in Israel. They have driven the costs down to where the doctors don't make any money, but that causes a whole new set of problems.

Yeah I know. It just seems like there are more important things to worry about...like what I'm going to have for breakfast.

Did a word exist in ancient Hebrew for kill, separate from the word for murder? Do you have a reference? Yes, at least that's what some of the ancient Hebrew experts think: http://people.ucalgary.ca/~elsegal/Shokel/001102_ThouShaltNotMurder.html This came up in conversation with a friend over here who really is a Hebrew language expert and she gave me a similar explanation. You don't even need to be an expert. First semester Hebrew students learn what rasah means. No they don't. At least not the true and real meaning. You have to live here and speak it for a while to get it I think. The meaning has more than the english language translation. Interestingly though the jews and hebrew scholars do agree that abortion is prohibited by the commandment (it's considered ratsah). Some (most) words don't translate perfectly and this is one of them. They also do abortions here in Israel routinely and nobody shoots or blows anything up over it. They have far more important things to worry about, you guys should too.

Prolly the next one with a big fat ass that declares war on childhood obesity. Go supersize your #4 and don't worry about it.

He did state he wanted to ban assault weapons during his campaign. That was actually written on his website before the election. Sure he hasn't gotten around to it yet, but then he hasn't done anything else he promised either.