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I seriously doubt that. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

If what you do in your personal life affects your work or the organization you work for in a negative manner, they should absolutely reserve to the right to dismiss you for that reason. If what you do in your personal life does not affect who you work for in a negative manner, than they should not care what you do. ie. Let's say I was on the Board of Directors for Coca Cola. Down the street from my house, there is a bottling plant. (Independantly owned, but operating under the name). I go home and on my spare time I spout my mouth off in a public pop drinkers forum about how disgusting this plant is. They ignore health code violations, bill customers for cases Coke but never deliver, leak raw sewage out the back door and whatnot. I call for their closure and their loss of the right to operate under the umbrella of the Coca Cola organization. This plant turns around and sues Coca Cola because of my actions. Will I get fired from Coca Cola? Absolutely, and I couldn't speculate as to what else would happen. Edited to add: Coca Cola would probably have interest in settling with this bottling plant out of court, but would also have interest in making it go away. Question is: Does the USPA have interest in making Skyride go away or not. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

Her influence as a BOD on a national association of parachutists can not be ignored at any time when speaking publicly about a member of that organization. At least I would see it that way if I were shooting the shit with GB at a weekend boogie. The information she gathered in order to make such accusations was most likely as a direct or indirect result of her work with the USPA. I sound like I am bashing her... I'm not. I think she was trying to do the right thing, but unfortunately she is trying to take on a bull with a flyswatter, and met the inevitable conclusion. If people want to correct the underlying problem here, you need to look past Jan Meyers. She was a casualty of a war that needs to continue after she's gone. I'm sure she will see it that way. Move on to the big picture. What IS the big picture, and who is involved is what I want to know. Is the USPA just status quo now with Skyride showing their logo to everyone they piss off and rip off. I don't want to give my money to an organization that will turn their head to that. Fortunately in Canada I have the option to go somewhere else, but I don't want to. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

Even if they were in collusion, you can't ignore your general membership banging down the door. Then YOU look like the bad guy. At least at this point it "looks" like the USPA "tried" to do something right... and now back to status quo, with a minor agenda change for the next meeting. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

As an individual. If she wanted to do it as an individual, she had every right to. She should have stepped down from her position on the board to do so. Those group members (whether they are scumbags are not) PAY her to represent them. She can't go home and intentionally unravel the work she does in the office and not expect repercussions. Can't have her cake and it eat it too... It sucks but... she's lucky to not have a civil libel suit against her personally. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

Why would they kick them out? Because they couldn't ignore the lynch mob ready to burn down USPA HQ, especially since the leader of the mob was one of it's own. That and the lawsuit from the biggest DZ in the world against someone they are affiliated with. One hand washing the other. Perhaps if they are in bed with them, they have an interest in giving them a reason to sue. USPA President can't exactly go to the bank and withdraw the kind of money that they probably settled for without citing a good reason. Next question: If the settlement of the lawsuit is closed book, and the financials of the USPA are open book... how's that work? Insurance cover this sort of thing? -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

It will be solved soon enough... when we run out. How much for an escalator to 12-5? -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

Her impeachment could not have been a condition of the settlement since noone could possibly guarantee a majority vote. The impeachment hearing could have been a condition though. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

Was it possible for her to make those arguments within the BOD (behind closed doors, like it should have been) though? I'm thinking that if this great big partnership of the USPA and Skyride exists in the bedroom like people are speculating, it would have been real tough to get her voice heard. Perhaps she went about it the only way she could have, but it was still a conflict of interest with her position to do it publicly. It's a shame because so many people were willing to, and were attempting to burn them at the stake without her. Her actions were probably a drop in the barrel of actions against Skyride. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

I've seen this stated several times, but haven't seen anything concrete said about the validity of the statement... Read the "What can we do about Skyride?" thread. She unloaded both barrels on her foot in that thread (If I am recalling correctly, it's been a while since I've been through that thread). Check out her website. If she wasn't the reason Skyride sued USPA then she should've been. She was out of line as a BOD member. You can't argue that. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

I will eat my words. I understand and fully agree that she has to go. I also believe that it sounds like she was a good person trying to do the right thing, but went about it the wrong way, and ended up being screwed because of it. She was on the BOD for the USPA and bashed the snot out of one of it's group members, who happen to be innocent untill proven guilty (legally). We all know they are shitbags, but let's just say that someone on the BOD was a competing DZO with someone else and then bashed that group member in a public forum. Damn right there would be a situation to sue. It's unfortunate, but so far Skyride has the law on their side. I was saying that she got screwed by being caught up in a shitty situation. She bent over and took the screwing and thats her fault, but she still got screwed. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

I am and have been a USPA member for 5 years, but I was under the assumption that we couldn't vote. If I can vote.. I will. I have little information of who to vote for.. but I would sure as hell not vote for someone who has anything to do with Skyride. A little history... I have habitually been a non-voter for most of my life (I am 30 yrs. old). In the past year I have come to see the err of my way and voted for the first time in the ON. provincial election, and have decided that I will vote for anything that I have the right to vote for. (Included in my voting process will be information gathering) -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

Right now, my interest in this is primarily because I want to see the people involved with Skyride get what they coming to them. At this point, the worst I can do to them is take my money to CSPA, since I am slowly starting to believe that the USPA has begun to or slowly will become an extension of Skyride. Or at least a back alley envelope type partner. I have issues with the CSPA too... but not this type of issue. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

I'm Canadian... I don't believe we can vote. And I haven't updated my profile in 2 years. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

What was funny was seeing the video of him taking it out of the business envelope he received it in! Did he get this one in a regular letter envelope? -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

So far I've heard Skydive Dallas... who else is in bed with Skyride? Someone has go to have the cahonies to just say it. I've seen a few dozen accusatory posts, but no names.... Let's at the very least make it known who NOT to vote for next time. I'm seeing a lot of smack talk and accusations to this thread, but no real meat. You want to make a difference... out someone who is responsible for this mess. Sounds like Jan got (is) (will be) screwed. Who is the one doing the screwing?? Is it Glenn Bangs? Does he have interest in seeing Skyride succeed? -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

My Sabre is great... never have hard openings. Another Sabre I know sucks, one in 3 is a nutcracker. I think it comes down to that.. some are good, some suck. I'd be curious about which one I was getting if the price was too cheap to believe. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

Alot of people are upset with those who seem to be in bed with Skyride.. why don't you just try and get those people impeached.. I'm sure if you dig far enough, you'de be able to find grounds. BTW... who is in bed with Skyride? I have a hate on for Skyride, but I see these shiny happy faces in Parachutist and.... well they don't really bother me. Who's picture should I be scowling at? BTW, if you are a BOD or RD or ND or EC member of the USPA, you should probably refrain from answering that question... or at least maybe do it in a PM -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

I DEMAND See, I don't think that's the best way to go about doing things either... maybe it's just me. If you are overemotional in your communications to someone about how irrational they are, especially to someone in an elevated position, with an elevated ego, you will lose your argument 100% of the time guaranteed. I am indifferent and uneducated about the actual position of either party here. I couldn't give two shits about what happens to Jan Meyers, or the USPA. I can see however that on one side of the argument, people are getting a little overexcited and are not conducting themselves in a professional and effective manner. Perhaps those on the other side of the argument aren't being rational either, but I can't see that. People need to settle down and look at the situation for what it is. It is a chance for the democracy of the organization that you have had a hand in creating to step up to the plate and test the value of it's own existence. It shall either prevail or it shall fail. But realize that this impeachment hearing is an important part of that democratic process. Someone has an argument to present, and others have an argument to dispute. Let it happen. If you feel it means something, than by all means get involved, but forwarned that getting involved in politics is gettting in the game. Or should I just say that politics IS a game. Getting all bent out of shape because someone is playing games and decides to make it a little work for you to get involved isn't going to help anything. As a matter of fact it probably puts you a step backward (you swung and wiffed at their curveball). People don't appreciate being DEMANDED of anything (strike two). Just do the extra work.. collect the e-mail addresses and put them in a group in your address book. If once side shall argue their point better than the other side, they will win. If they don't, well then... you know what, you elected these people, YOU screwed up when you did that. (By you, I mean the people that cared enough to vote, because if you didn't care enough to vote, it's laughable to think that you deserve your voice to be heard). If you don't play a better game than them, you will lose. If you let you're emotions get the best of you, you will be off your game. That DZO guy with the mustache a few posts ago that is going to get rid of his DZ membership... well he's sitting on third base.. hit him home. Good luck in your battle. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

Speed Skyding? -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

Could you not just e-mail them individually? Perhaps I'm not understanding the mechanics of what getting rid of this e-mail address does? Are their e-mail addresses not public info? Did they lock the doors, turn out the lights, and curiously peer out the bottom corner of the front window drapes at any passerby? If you want to get a hold of them, call them. If you want to get ignored, e-mail them. It's how most business works. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

Someone who has 650 jumps, 530 of which are apparantly camera jumps feels worried about such a "wild" stunt when it is introduced in an internet forum? Where people worried when you strapped a camera to your head with 100 jumps? Or am I reading your profile wrong -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

Know that I unstowed my toggles at about 4,000ft to do a control check, there were SOME people who knew I was still to come, and I'm doing this in relatively unused airspace. Still worriesome? I have to admit I was a little paranoid about getting an airplane up my ass, but I think that was a little irrational given the area I was in... I did keep a 360 degree idea of what was going on around me. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

And now he's on the USPA BOD? -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson

Corn going in, beans coming out. -------------------------------------------------- In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. ~ Thomas Jefferson