Hey guys, I am new on this list, but I agree. When you are doing belly flying you mainly see faces and possibly levels, where as FFers you are separated more and can see the changes happen easier. On the topic about numbers. I agree about talking to people at your dz to learn more. I started jumping cameras on my 93rd, but only do rw filming, I am not into FF too much yet. I also was able to talk to and get advice from guys like Tom Sanders and Joe Jennings when they are at the dz. And speaking of Joe, he told me that even he had around 90 jumps, I think, when he started. As for the higher numbers. I enjoy just shooting friends and LOs for now and I know at my dz the school won't let you even get near shooting students until you have at least 500 jumps under your belt. Just my part of the story. Good luck on what you decide, and most of all, be safe!!! Jeff "Bullwinkle" Reitz Camera Flyer Home DZ: Skydive Elsinore