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Is this thread open to further constructive input? If so.... 2. background check. Agree 100%-be aware if a LEO takes a person for 5150-a psych hold it is in the searchable records. However if a Dr. does it you'll never see it as it's buried under medical records confidentiality under HIPAA. So it opens a legit question-how do we get HIPAA overhauled to open psych medical records? Otherwise a real update to background checks is a moot point.... Also as a constructive response to any negativity about teachers carrying- no one has mentioned that after 911 a program of training was instituted for pilots that wish to carry in the cockpit-and many now do.

Hey how about this one? It's Weiner/Huma Abedin's servers/computers they have. So obviously would be communication between Huma and Clinton that they saw..... But then they also saw communication between Huma and Journal of Muslim Minority Affairs( Journal of Muslim Minority Affairs is an Abedin family business. Huma was an assistant editor there between 1996 and 2008 and they have ties to terrorist organizations.) -and it's terrorist related. So Comey-who cooperated before with kissin off Clintons violation of security rules-now is facing knowing Clinton has been heavily influenced by an Islamic terrorist sympathizer and Clinton will bring her into the white house with her if elected. So what can he do but what he did...... OK, now that I've pushed a lot of folks buttons-carry on!!!!Lol! But it would be a hell of a thing if the above turned out to be right!

Some insight..... You get a search warrant for Weiner's computer and all devices/servers that he ever had access to. The way it works is your hi-tech direct scans the hard drives and you get a "dump" of info all at once-print it out. Organized by pictures, every website ever visited, every email sent or received etc. You sit down to organize your evidence against Weiner and start reading/looking. Now you see evidence of a completely different crime/suspect-you are allowed to read it initially under the first warrant-only to read enough to determine(probable cause for another warrant) there is in fact another crime/suspect-then you have to stop reading/looking at it and go get your new search warrant. That's the facts of how it works. Now my take....... The agent reading Weiner's computer dump went- "Holy shit!" and ran straight to Comey, who said, "Holy shit!" And now we have to wait to see the "holy shit!"..........

Wall them off and let them keep killing each other. Fuck those thugs.

It is a different world there..... Last time there I jumped at skydive Hawaii. No problem getting in the air but be aware there seems no love lost between the dzs. When I suggested a plane from each dz in formation for a bit of a big way they looked at me like I was crazy.

Bump for ya! Lotta folk at the dz say they feel old when they see the bsbd tees lol!

Nothing to do with any pretense other than my own personal litmus test. Anyone that in this day and age still believes that Japanese internment was a good idea is just not worth trying to have a discussion with about this particular topic. ______________________________________________ I only glance in SC anymore-a couple of you seem to be having a real discussion on this subject so I figured I would throw out some perspective from the times from my dad that you may appreciate. Background-He was on the Pennsylvania when Pearl Harbor was bombed. He wouldn't talk about the war until the last few years he was alive. I figured out he was a beach master in invasion after invasion across the pacific and was on the way to Japan to invade when the a-bombs forced their surrender. He never collected any of his medals and didn't want them. When the last movie Pearl Harbor came out they invited a bunch of vets from WWII to it on opening and surprisingly he went with my mom. When they left the theatre some reporters confronted the vets and one of them asked my dad in a confrontational manner about the interment of the Japanese and how wrong it was. He surprised me by keeping his cool and told them that it was very wrong that their property was taken, business's ruined however he had no problem with removing them from the west coast. He was accused of being racist etc and how could he agree with that. He said-you have to remember we were a bunch of 18 year olds fighting the Japanese and dying ourselves with access to lots of weapons-and if we were home on shore leave and saw any Japanese we would probably have killed them. Just food for thought from the times to keep in mind when you look back at it.....

Offended? Too bad. It seems a person used to be able to venture into this forum and have a discussion with folk having opposing views and be able to get a look at the other side of the coin in a half reasonable manner and it was interesting. Afraid of late seems it's a lot of shit stirring and trolling. So I actually have better things to do with my time and I'll leave ya'll here to continue with what some do best. later, peace out!

Interesting way you cops have with the English language nowadays. _____________________________________________ You claim you were once a cop.....sorry but with this and many other ridiculous comments you've made (so you don't believe there is such a thing as "suicide by cop? it all has to be an assassination???)I have to call BS that you were ever a cop-at least never out on the street in the real world! I always try to maintain a reasonable discussion in here, but with a lot of the rabid and ridiculous comments it's obvious that's useless.........

No drama here... BOUNCE BINGO!!!!!! And then where's Ron to stand over ya and say "I told ya so!"

***It's possible the report is accurate but I don't think the whole story and I put the link up after my first post this subject with the understanding that some of what was in the story differs form my observation and opinion. The video records someone being vulgar to the cop who does not respond directly but calls for back up probably bot because of the suspect but the potential threat posed by the bystanders. So in a show of force a group of cops put this kid on the ground rather convincingly. What for? To show the kid and the crowd, "Don't fuck with us, you'll get the same thing too?" ______________________________________________________ It is a lot easier to handcuff a resisting person without injuring them or getting injured yourself with more than less.

http://abc7.com/news/wrong-way-car-chase-crash-shuts-down-northbound-215-freeway/991282/ Let the armchair quarterbacking begin.... And yes they train for this, not just a let's try this.

This guy was quite infamous back in the day: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cell_2455,_Death_Row I read this book when it came out; I could not put it down. Jerry Baumchen I wasn't familiar with that case-thanks for the link!

This off-hand: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/over-3000-police-officers-being-investigated-for-alleged-assault--and-almost-all-of-them-are-still-on-the-beat-10220091.html Point is there are always going to be a few aholes in every department/walk of life.

I'm not armchair quarterbacking. I don't have the level of patience to be a policeman. I watch our Metropolitan Police in London and am in awe of their professionalism (not saying I could do it myself; I'm saying I've seen policing being done properly for the last 25 years). I'm openly/loudly critical when something is bad (I think British Telecom is a shit circus and the BBC is goddamn waste of time/money), but I feel fortunate to have a police force of the Met's calibre and feel sad seeing Americans abused by their police forces who are supposed to protect them. Hmmm, seems the Met's have some aholes too? http://www.theguardian.com/uk/g20-police-assault-ian-tomlinson

Very reasonable if it's an unmarked trying to pull you over as there has been criminals impersonating an officer cases, but not sure what your last sentence would have to do with that situation.... Old advice below that still holds true: Warning: If you suspect that the person trying to pull you over is not a police officer (for example, he or she is driving an unmarked car), you do not have to immediately pull over. Instead, put your flashers on, indicate that you acknowledge the ‘officer’s” presence by waving at him, continue driving at the speed limit towards a busy, well-lit area, and call 911. Inform the 911 dispatcher that you are worried that someone posing as a police officer is trying to pull you over. Tell the dispatcher your current location and direction of travel as well as the make and model of your car. Do not get out of your car until the 911 dispatcher can confirm that person trying to pull you over is a real police officer. If the dispatcher cannot confirm that the person, carefully drive to a safe place such as your local police station and follow all of the dispatcher’s additional instructions.

Never said there are not a few ahole cops. There's some ahole skydivers too, wouldn't you agree? Aholes in all walks of life. This particular incident-still open. Afraid I don't have your all knowing ability. I sure would love to see all the folk so critical go work as a cop and show us how to do it right!!!!! (And you still make it home in one piece at the end of your shift) ________________________________________ I’ve lived in NY & Chicago; I know how the large city DZs are hotbeds of corruption and cover-up. I’ve also lived in small-town America and seen the genetic detritus that constitutes the local DZ of your average hick town. Sounds kinda ridiculous put that way eh?

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/ardpatr.pdf Of course those don't take apart the incidents-only collects the numbers. Don't know what further analyses is done to say which ones are "problem deaths" or not.

Again..... What's the beginning of the incident??? Of course jaywalking is not arrestable-it's a cite only. If the cop approached him and the "kid" shoved him or even took a swing then of course it goes to shit from there..... If not then the cop may well be one of those aholes that make everyone else's job more difficult. It's just seems it's gotten so popular to jump to the conclusion the cop must be wrong.

Again-before jumping to conclusions-where's the beginning of the incident. What happened up to that point? Yes it may be the cop was a power hungry ahole. Then again it may be that "kid" (that's plenty big enough to do some real damage) initiated the incident. I just find it ironic that in incidents folk are always saying don't jump to conclusions-figure out what really happened. But for police incidents that just doesn't apply.....

In that video it shows the suspect hanging onto the baton-so the cop should let him have it to use against him? The cop shows restraint-after retaining control of the baton he waits for backup to control the suspect with least amount of force used. And of course the beginning of the incident is not shown-yet again.......... Sorry but all the Monday morning quarterbacks get old..... And I have to wonder how many critics have actually had to go one on one to control and arrest someone? It ain't like on TV folks! Makes me think of a malfunction-lottsa folk will criticize you for what you did or didn't do. But "if in doubt whip it out" got you on the ground safe then tell the armchairs quarterbacks to go away.......

Got mine today, Thank you!!!!!!!!!! Hey, should we ask to make this a sticky in general?????!!!!!

Exactly...cops aren't mind readers - that much is apparent. That's why they probably shouldn't shoot unarmed victims. I mean, there wasn't even a shiny object to blame... You missed the point............It would be great to put all the armchair quarterbacks thru some shoot/don't shoot scenarios.

right, but being a confused dumbass high on meth and alcohol while trying to explain to the cops that they got the wrong guy, should not be a death sentence. The cops should know better... ______________________________________________ Oh yea-cops should be mind readers too...........

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-child-molester-sentencing-20150409-story.html At least in California it seems like the "system" is falling apart. This judge is a prime example of the problem-ignore the victim and be a "perpetrator apologist". I really do hope he gets recalled and removed from any bench forever. Yes, a defendant should have full representation-part of a functioning legal system. But when a judge then does something like this to circumvent the current system; I can't help but wonder where the hell he's coming from. For the lawyers here-should he disbarred too? I know thems pretty strong words-but..... This guy just has total disregard for the victim with his own statements-and he's not the only one out there in the legal system.