crozby
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I have a question about this: God says not to kill other people. He stated "Thou shalt not kill" which is about as unambiguous as He could be on the issue. Yet Christians consider it OK to kill people under certain circumstances. How is that so? Also, why does He make that rule for us, when it seems He did a pretty substantial bit of smiting, some of it right before handing down that rule during the (un)parting of the Red Sea?
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Protestors Storm U.K. Parliament During Hunt-Ban Debate
crozby replied to peacefuljeffrey's topic in Speakers Corner
I've told you a million times not to exaggerate! To give this embarrassment some context: The Houses of Parliament are meant to be accessible to the electorate who are able to go there and meet with the people they elected to discuss stuff that matters to them. Its the way democracy has been run here for a long time. Given that it is so easy to get in there just why hasn't the place been blown up yet? Maybe the UK government doesn't need to hide itself away behind millions of dollars of protection because it doesn't piss people off enough to warrant that kind of security. Who would gain from blowing up the UK's politicians (apart from the British)? -
Maybe you are right - I couldn't be arsed adding up the columns to work out whose killed the most. The figure that shocked me is "Over 18,000 medical evacuations have occurred, 11,700 of which have been considered wounded, according to Pentagon statistics" http://www.infoshout.com/wounded.htm That is a fuck of a lot of US injuries. Can that be right? Do you guys know how many wounded soldiers have been sent home from Iraq?
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Re-read the article. It says christians, jews etc. don't do things like that. They do. Its funny isn't it how when someone is spouting rubbish one likes the sound of one can be very forgiving about the accuracy of the facts, but when its someone one doesn't like, lets say MM for example, one picks up on every little truth-twist and inaccuracy?
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Maybe 'ok' is the wrong word. How about 'acceptable'? The level of civilian casualties in Iraq is acceptable to the US government and the governments of the coallition of the willing.
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Not at all. I'm sure many people in the US were horrified. But given that 80% of US prisoners get abused its not really surprising that some Iraqis did too, is it? You actually know the *real* reason for the invasion? You know more than your own President! Got any evidence whatsoever to back up that claim? I'm sure the remaining Iraqis are very grateful for that.
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From the article: Well off the top of my head: the IRA are christians. ETA are christians. Also, Israel does targeted killings. Israel fires tank shells into demonstrating crowds. The US sexually abuses prisoners, invades nations 'by mistake' and thinks its ok to cause thousands of collateral damage deaths (how many of them were children?). and a soldier from the UK has just been arrested for murder in Iraq. Russia has been committing war crimes in Chechnya for centuries, they are predominately christians, jews and muslims. Chechnya is comprised of muslims and christians terrorising Russia in an attempt to gain independence yet again. And Rwanda is full of Catholics, although not as full as it used to be. Can this possibly be true any more? Muslims have been totally demonised in recent years. The number of comments on this site referring to Glass Parking Lots is testament to that. This Author is a lie-peddling bigot.
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I can only go on international coverage but Kerry seems like the Torys are in the UK. They've got the best opportunity in years to make a comeback yet they are pissing it up the wall by not getting across the message of whatever it is they stand for in a way thats going to make people vote for them. And Kerry himself just doesn't look the part of President of the most powerful nation on the planet to me. He looks far too saggy, miserable and knackered.
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If you had no experience of skydiving except what some skydive hating people told you, would you consider yourself an authority on skydiving? Having a strong opinion on something you've never seen, when the whole point of the thing is, well, to be seen, is pretty far out in my view. Do you have strong opinions of music you haven't heard also, or would that just be silly?
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Have you even seen Moore's documentary, or are you just another F9/11 wuffo giving us the benefit of his inexperience?
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The history books say around 9 million were called up and only 2 million served. Most people got out of going if they could. There was a high proportion of poor and blacks that went, because they couldn't or wouldn't get out of serving. They say the US governments of the day lied to the people about how badly the war was going. That huge numbers of civilians were slaughtered and that vast areas of Vietnam was destroyed by bombing. That many very young and inexperienced US soldiers died unnecessarily and those that survived returned to a country that did not support them or the war any more. If a guy gets called up, goes and fights, and comes back and says its all wrong, why is that bad? - Didn't most people end up thinking the war was wrong? With hindsight wasn't it obviously wrong? Also, how can people criticize Bush et al when it looks from the numbers like most people that could avoid it did avoid it? This subject is totally confusing to non-Americans.
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Here's a link to a site that you might want to take a look at. It explains the background to the situation in Chechnya. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/country_profiles/2565049.stm I would be interested in how you would have handled the School situation without any form of negotiaton. I would also be interested to hear your idea for solving the Chechnya problem without resorting to any kind of political solution.
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In this case I can't see the Russians acheiving any kind of peace in Chechnya by taking a "we don't negotiate with terrorists" stance. If your enemy is prepared to die for it's cause and it can gather endless recruits then getting tough just gets your people killed. The only way I can see to ensure that this tragedy doesn't happen again is to go for a political solution of some kind.
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Doesn't 10,000+ Iraqi casualties bother you then?
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Do you think doing that would have resulted in more or less than 300 deaths + 700 injured?
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So you're saying that all 10,000+ Iraqi deaths are accidental???? Man, that is fucking unlucky.
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I guess the proof that the USA is in Iraq on a humanitarian mission will be when it sends troops to the Sudan, which is by far in greatest need of outside military assistance. Many more people in Sudan are in immediate danger right now than there ever were in the lead up to the invasion of Iraq.
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I think if you check you'll find that the suicide bombings are being carried out by anti-US groups who entered Iraq when the coallition, in their infinitely superior wisdom, decided to turn the place into the terrorist equivalent of Disney Land.
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Yeah, its pretty obvious from your posts that you are significantly superior than all people from the middle east, both culturally and intellectually. You really do have no fucking idea what you are talking about. Iraq didn't shit on women. Women went to school and were allowed out and had jobs. Saddam had women in senior positions in his administration. The fact that you can come out with wank like this: "Hey, don't take my word for it -- ask any middle-eastern woman that can't work, vote, speak out, choose a husband, or even show her face in public without getting beaten. Pets in the western world get better treatment. " kind of voids any argument you have that Arabs are less intelligent or less educated than you are. Take a holiday. Go abroad. Visit some foreign places and converse with the locals.
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Your absolutely correct. To any third-party like you and me there is a big difference. But to the people that matter - the relatives and friends of the dead - it is less relevant. A mother of a bombed son in Baghdad isn't gong to be sat around thanking Allah that at least her son wasn't decapitated. You're getting your filthy arabs all mixed up. Understandable because they all look the same with those hats on. Its Palestinians who are suicide bombers. Iraqis don't do suicide bombing. But both groups are brown and have towels on their heads, so don't beat yourself up - it's an easy mistake to make. I'ts like Americans and Canadians. The fucking same thing. Both pastey white, both like guns too much, both fat as fuck, and both have no fucking idea when it comes to cultures and peoples outside their national borders. Racial stereotypes - don't they just bring that black and white world crisply in to focus?
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Sadly the biggest success in Afghanistan is heroin production which is now even greater than when the Taliban were in charge.
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Man, someone should send you over there as a diplomat or something, you've really know how all those Iraqis think and stuff.
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Tell me, are you more disgusted by the murder of these people, or is it the manner in which they were murdered? How can the most important thing here be the method by which they were murdered? Surely what is worse is that they died at all? And if people can muster this much outrage about just ten deaths, why is there not a proportional out-pouring of emotion for ten thousand deaths? See it looks from some angles that the coallition, despite the Washington spin that this is all some kind of humanitarian mission, doesn't really value Iraqi lives very highly. I mean 10,000 body bags worth of collateral damage is pretty fucking careless by anyones standards. So, in light of the whole bunch of *big* shit thats still going on, it's somewhat hypocritical to get so up in arms about comparitively small retaliations like this. IMHO.
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No we didn;t. Does it make the relatives of the dead happier that we didn't? I doubt it. Compared to the killing, the putting it on video is totally fucking irrelivant to the families of whoever got killed. Why is that so impossible to comprehend? Would you really be so much more upset if the murder of your mom was shown on TV than if she was just murdered quietly without any media coverage whatsoever? Me, I'd be devastated that my mom was dead. I can't imagine myself thinking "Well at least she was murdered by some American soldier. It could have been Soooooo much worse - she might have been decapitated and it put on video. How fucking lucky am I that she was only blown to bits in the name of freeing all the other Iraqis that haven't yet been killed in the process of freeing all the 'other' Iraqis."
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If you believe that then you have some growing up to do. When a relative of yours dies, it doesn't really matter that their death had the backing of some crack-pot Islamic group, or the backing of the United-fucking-States. They may be cloth wearing sand-monkeys, but their pain at the loss of a loved one is at least as bad as the pain felt by the most worthless American when their even more worthless offspring eats dust. They may not be American, or white, or think about stuff in quite the same way you do, but they still feel the raw animal searing agony that all of us feel when we lose a relative. All 10,000+ of them.