cruzlite

Quote; "THe draft is crucial to every team every year with the salary cap." More so to the teams with glaring needs who get little accomplished in free agency. -------------------------------------------- 1st round names I'm hearing that could help the Chiefs; DT/Oregan/Igor Olshanski (Igor-I like it) CB/DeAngelo Hall/ Virginia Tech LB/Daryl Smith/Georgia Tech

And Denver was scary enough last year.... If Gunnie doesn't pull the Chiefs D together quick... we're gonna have big problems with Denver & others... The draft is gonna be crucial to the Chiefs this year Edit to add; The draft is scheduled for April 24-5 in New York

Timmmer!...Timmmmer!..Timmer! Thanks for the tip... Comes on in 1/2 hr here in KC (11 cntrl) Since I'm at home behaving myself these days (Old age setting in ) I will be there. Timmmer!!!!

Deisel...BWAAAAHAAHAHA!! Godhelp me I love this thread ...Haven't laughed this hard in weeks!!!! Link to my contribution; http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?post=934929;#934929

Since PD has not replied, I'm gonna assume they feel the info requested is contained on their website...& have not changed their recomendations... -------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------- RWS... will make custom pcs (Sizes) upon request; (RWS site/3m series/options guide/cntrline pc) - A wide range of choices (Above)...no apparrent change in recomendations. -------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------- Aerodyne... (site) Recomends ZP killine...(F-111 option)... no apparent change here. note; Aero associate recomends cocking pc through window, (bringing link tight to bag), then bagging, recock to insure link tight to bag & stowing excess (if loop is still present at window) inside pc. --------------------------------------------- Will inquire of those providing "change in mfr's recomendations" as to sources & post same - earliest. D

Quote from; PD site; Education/How to prevent hard opennings/Pilot Chute; "The pilot chute has a big effect on canopy deployments. The size, type of fabric, length of bridle, apex length, mesh size, and aerodynamic shape all affect the deployment of the parachute. Some pilot chutes have too much drag at terminal velocity. This can cause these problems: 1. They slow the bagged canopy down so quickly that the chance of line dump is increased. 2. When reaching line stretch, the jumper instantly accelerates the canopy back to his speed, since it is attached to him by the fully deployed lines. This is the first force the jumper feels at line stretch. (Moments later, the canopy starts to fill with air and slows down again.) A pilot chute with too much drag will have slowed the bagged canopy down so much that the jumper will experience quite a strong force when the canopy reaches line stretch. The canopy feels this jolt too, and the pack job will be forcefully spread apart by this force. This can cause harder openings, since the now disorganized canopy will inflate more quickly. In extreme cases, it may even open hard enough to cause structural damage to the parachute system. A pilot chute with more moderate drag will get the canopy to line stretch with less severe shock to the jumper and the canopy. The line dump problem is also less likely to occur, and the pack job is more likely to be released from the bag in an orderly fashion. Although a pilot chute with more moderate drag will produce more consistent openings, a pilot chute can have too little drag. This could happen if it is too worn out, too small, malfunctioned, or designed improperly. The danger here is obvious. The pilot chute must consistently function correctly. If it does not, a bag lock, or a pilot chute in tow may result. This can happen with a ripcord system, a pull out, or a throw out, if the pilot chute problem is bad enough. Most, but not all pilot chutes from container manufacturers are compatible with Performance Designs canopies. A pilot chute made from normal F-111 type fabric should be no more than 34" in diameter. We have found 30" to 32" to be adequate for most sport sized canopies (all measurements are finished dimensions). Pilot chutes made of zero porosity fabric are more sensitive to specific design criteria, and two of similar size may have widely different drag. They are definitely more sensitive to variations in design, with factors such as mesh size and hole size at the pilot chute base making a big difference in the drag produced. The zero porosity pilot chutes that we have tried that work adequately are between 26" and 28" and have relatively fine mesh. These pilot chutes also seem to be more sensitive to variations in line stow length and line stow tightness than regular pilot chutes. Collapsible pilot chutes can affect deployments too. The shock cord method of collapsing the pilot chute is tricky to design so that it works consistently. It must be properly designed and use only zero porosity fabric to maintain its calibration. Never use an F-111 shock cord collapsing pilot chute! It can be deadly, because the calibration speed changes rapidly as the fabric changes its porosity. We have seen many F-111 shock cord collapsing pilot chutes cause deployment problems due to inconsistency or outright failure to inflate." I have not been able to find info on pcs offerred for sale by PD...? They have not responded to the above email yet. ---------------------------------------------------------- RWS riggs come with a standard, f-111, 32" pc... options include; centerline, ZP, 27" centerline, f-111, 32" ----------------------------------------------------------- Aerodyne offers; Collapsable, ZP, 27" Collapsable, ZP, 28" (Custom w/hackey or pud) Collapsable, f-111, 32" Collapsable, f-111, 32" (Custom w/hackey or pud) Aero supplies an f-111, 28" w/canopies up to 190' They recomend an f-111, 32" for larger canopies. (I assume these are kill line) ------------------------------------------------------- This is all I've got so far......

Quote; "From what I was told by Bill Hallett when he was at Mirage, the F1-11 pilot chutes are standard equipment with new mirage rigs because of the kill line. He said that when a F1-11 pc needed replacing, it would be very likely that the kill line would also need to be replaced. This would give the possibly gear-ignorant jumper a new pc and bridle/kill line at the same time, rather than someone jumping a ZP pilot chute for possibly hundreds of jumps beyond the effective lifespan of the kill line." Since I fall into this 'catagory' (In reguards to kill line pcs & zp fabric), this makes good sense. I have emailed mfr. on this subject. (sent 3/25/04 at 7:43 am)... So far...no reply. 300 of my jumps were made with f-111 no kill pc... and I will go back to same if I can determine affect (or lack of) on 190 tri./5.0 (1 jump last week end..no kill..[high winds-15-20]) I also opted for velcro stow toogles/risers... Thanks to you, rigging 65, and everyone who has posted to this thread, pro & or con, in the spirit it was written... Lu7k, D

It's also amazing what the human eye can see... Did you create the 'Sun ball' shot? GREAT POST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ANYBODY ELSE?

No, this was not intended as a reference as to why reserves are "are f-111 const". It was an example of catastrophic failure of zp... (In reply to your apparent doubts) It would tend to suport the info. in my post.

In reply to; What? ZP is not made by coating ripstop F-111 with silicone? Then what are all those mysterious gridlines that you see when holding ZP up to a light source? -------------------------------- Quote; "If a tear or other type of failure occurs on an “F-111” type canopy, it is likely to be self-contained and landable. With zero-p fabric, damage tends to be catastrophic and makes the canopy unlandable. Also, burn damage is much harder to detect on zero-p. Frequently burn damage just looks like a crease in the fabric, when in fact the tensile strength in the area has been lowered to only a few pounds." Link to above; http://www.performancedesigns.com/faq.htm#11 Location; Education/FAQ/Why PD builds reserves out of f-111

I heard Mfr's are now recomending f-111 be used in kill line pcs. (Reason; catastrophic failure of zp. ie; a rip will not stop running) Anyone heard this?

Quote; "Uh please do not bother... Jetboats are IDEAL for western rivers.. BIG ROCKS and LOGS do VERY nasty things to spinning props." ------------------------------------------------------ I concur 100% --------------------------------- Would advise 100% welded, modified V hull (at least),.. full V would be better. The flat (Jon boat) hull will beat you to death in a chop. (If you should venture onto big water) I have used a Lowe, 16.5', mod/V for 8 yrs. & with this exception...would recommend 110% ------------------------------------------------------- You will loose some horse power (15-25% From memory) with a jet drive, so a 40/JD is minimum I would recommend. It should push a basically empty hull with one person up to 35mph+ max, but once you put weight in it, (ie; another person (or two)& or gear) your cruise speed will drop to; 20 - 25mph+, on flat water. Depending on your 'need for speed', you may want to go bigger. I believe in buying 'Made in USA' when possible... (Yes, I jump a canopy made in S. Africa - another story) That said; I would advise buying a Honda/1st, Yamaha/2nd. I would advise a 4-stroke...(40 will be as big as you can go here because of weight) You can go bigger with a Yamaha 2 stroke. ( & you can order w/JD from dealer)...a good option. I wish I had a twenty for every Merc/Evinrude & others I have towed off lakes. Hope this helps...(ff/to pm) Lu7k, D

Quote; "Who can tell me about Chris Bober? again - Does Parcells hold gm position in Dallas?" ---------------------------------------------------- Reply; The big Tuna does not have GM position.. (J Jones - (Owner/GM) Bober comes to KC from NY... NFL.com lists him at Tackle..KC at Center..not on depth chart yet.(Still researching) Anybody ? ------------------------------------------------------- Link to NFL.com; http://www.nfl.com/index (Has links to all team's sites, under 'rosters') -------------------------------------------------------- I read that pre-season scheds. have been set... (haven't seen them yet. -------------------------------------------------------- When is the draft? (B Ball is driving me &%#&*$@ crazy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks David !

Thanks for the reply! Best, Don

"I have openned my rig, put a knot about 1and 1/2 in from the bag & will be jumping it this weekend, (for the above reasons)" ---------------------------------- Worked fine... (consulted master rigger..didn't see a problem) ------------------------------------ Wind was too high to get a 'good' feel for effects on performance, (14+ & gusty), but could not notice much if any with pc inflated. ------------------------------------- Also was told by several riggers, instructors, & jumpers, that manufacturers are going to f-111 pcs(kill line) because of "catistraufic falure of zp". I understand this to mean when the zp rips it does not stop like f-111. (I hope I got that right) Anybody else heard this?

0:1:0 Attempted first sit fly.. (from 9k) Went; exit sit / tumble / back attemt sit / flip / back att. sit / flip / belly (flat spin) att sit /wash 5k, look, wave off, toss not as easy as it looks...(at least I don't owe beer) kinda reminded me of first attempt at a series good practice & fun..ny lookin

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2004/03/21/walq21.xml&sSheet=/portal/2004/03/21/ixportal.html Question; What kind of support/opposition has the US gotten for our operations in Afgan-Pakistan from; France Germany Russia China UK Others United Nations ?

Quote; "We Had some fun with this... :) Someone over here "helped" another jumper by shortening his bungee (the jumper was complaining about it opening during hookies). He did an hop and pop... off course followed by a freebag search..." ---------------------------------------------------- IF THIS IS YOUR IDEA OF FUN... PLEASE WARN ME IF YOU DECIDE TO VISIT KC

That's another good pickup for Oakland... Hate to see this talent comming into the AFC west... Hope he doesn't get to Green's knees!

No where near the play & he didn't see it comming... I don't like it. It may not be against the rules... but it's not what I'd call fair and square.

"Well he certainly isn't going to Green Bay." Bwaaahahaha!!!!!!!! ------------------------------------ "Too bad a Green Bay player didn't body slam Sapp on the fifty." My sentiments exactly! ----------------------------------------- "he is arguably the best DT in football today." Agreed - Possibly top 6 I've ever seen... & I like Sapp's rapp... There's just something about a cheap shot that makes me want to pick up a bat!

The idea of a pull out has appealed to me... (primarily by eliminating pin lock-pc in tow) Have to listen to Da-Man on this one though; ------------------------------------------------------- Quote; (from: post in thread by; rendezvous, [Boc vs Pull Out] March 25, 2002) "I have read this entire thread and must say that the pros and cons of this subject have been very well covered. However, perhaps I can add some insight. As the patent holder on both the pull out and throw out pilot chute systems, I have listened to customers jump stories about both for the past 25 years. Hand deploy pilot chutes had a lot of problems in the early days. But these problems have mostly disappeared as the result of design improvements like the Spandex pouch, the bottom of container (BOC) location (borrowed from the pull out), and covered bridle paths. However, the same old problems with the pullout, such as lost handles and no-pulls due to improper packing still remain. Plus, while the throw out allows you to actually throw the pilot chute into the clean air outside the burble, the pull out forces you to release the pilot chute inside the burble. To get hesitation free deployments, pull out jumpers have to momentarily alter their body position to break up the burble. On small, highly loaded ellipticals, this can cause line twists, which can become malfunctions. Perhaps this is why a good 95% of my customers, including me, jump throwouts. I would say that the jumping public has already settled this debate. Both systems work when correctly maintained, packed, and deployed. However, people just seem to have fewer problems with today's manifestation of the throw out." (Bill Booth)