Lefty

In my years on this board, I don't think I've seen so much misinterpretation gathered in one post. Did you apply any thought at all to what he said? Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6937537.stm Sounds like guns are penis substitutes in Britain, which is why their gun culture is so different than ours here. Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin

You claimed that raising corporation taxes will raise prices to consumers. "I keep hearing you say "Raise corporate taxes". Who do you think pays those taxes. They pass it to the consumer. Do you think a big corporation is going to eat a big tax hike without passing it along to others" SO do you NOT think reducing corporate taxes will reduce prices to consumers? Haha, now it makes sense. You are replying to the wrong person. Rookie120 said that, not me (scroll up to check the source). I'll be happy to answer your question, though. Lowering corporate taxes will result in lower prices for the consumer, based on the nature of a competitive market. Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin

But not his contempt for the man. Anyone with at least three brain cells and an ideology short of Ghengis Kahn's, shares that contempt. Odd...I don't hate the man. Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin

Dude, it's the Pacific Northwest, a whole different brand up there... They are protesting the war by protesting the activities that are in essence provide materiel support for such efforts. Better to protest equipment than grieving families at funerals. I agree. Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin

I keep hearing you say "Raise corporate taxes". Who do you think pays those taxes. They pass it to the consumer. Do you think a big corporation is going to eat a big tax hike without passing it along to others. Come on man, I gave you more credit than that. Then quit buying from the motherfuckers and save money. Downsize. Everbody want to keep up w/ the Jones. I live a simple life Psst, raising corporate taxes will make your cigarettes cost more too. If the govt. has to raise $X, then raising corporation taxes means the expensive high powered tax lawyers work for all of us to keep our prices down help the corporations find loopholes, and the corporations raise prices as much as they think they can get away with to offset the tax. If they raise income taxes, the high powered lawyers only work for the wealthy who can afford them.

I keep hearing you say "Raise corporate taxes". Who do you think pays those taxes. They pass it to the consumer. Do you think a big corporation is going to eat a big tax hike without passing it along to others. Come on man, I gave you more credit than that. Then quit buying from the motherfuckers and save money. Downsize. Everbody want to keep up w/ the Jones. I live a simple life Psst, raising corporate taxes will make your cigarettes cost more too. If the govt. has to raise $X, then raising corporation taxes means the expensive high powered tax lawyers work for all of us to keep our prices down help the corporations find loopholes, and the corporations raise prices as much as they think they can get away with to offset the tax. If they raise income taxes, the high powered lawyers only work for the wealthy who can afford them.

If you've got ANY widespread proof of this, I'd LOVE to see it. Ask Lefty. I just commented on his claim. Don't bother asking me. I have no idea what he's talking about. However, I am interested in how he mistook me saying "If you raise corporate taxes, prices go up" with what he apparently thinks I said: "If the corporations find tax loopholes, OUR prices go down." Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin

I realize this is a foreign concept anymore in the US, but remember the concept of competition? Anymore there are CEO entitlements, of course we blame the poor and middle class for begging for entitlements such as socialized meds, but there are far more corporate entitlements. Guys like Herb Keller and Buffet are considered fools, cut throat guys like Trump are revered as genius and brilliant. That doesn't nearly answer my questions. Corporations exist to make money for the owners by providing a product or a service that people need. By their nature companies have to stay competitive if the owners are going to continue making money. ". Many farms are paid by the government NOT to produce. Taxpayers subsidize many corporations either directly, as in the case of farms, or indirectly. You make a good point. When something completely counter-intuitive or stupid happens like farms being paid not to produce, you can bet your ass the government has intruded on the free market in some way. Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin

The article doesn't seem to give the motives of the protesters. Who protests equipment, anyway? Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin

I realize this is a foreign concept anymore in the US, but remember the concept of competition? Anymore there are CEO entitlements, of course we blame the poor and middle class for begging for entitlements such as socialized meds, but there are far more corporate entitlements. Guys like Herb Keller and Buffet are considered fools, cut throat guys like Trump are revered as genius and brilliant. That doesn't nearly answer my questions. Corporations exist to make money for the owners by providing a product or a service that people need. By their nature companies have to stay competitive if the owners are going to continue making money. There's a huge difference between a private entity (corporation) having "pork" and "entitlements" and a public entity (government) having "pork" and "entitlements". Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin

Why would they sacrifice their bonuses when they can just pass the cost of increased taxes on to the consumer? Next question: why should they? Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin

That's the way the world works. "The strong do what they can, the weak suffer what they must." Sounds like as good a system as any, to me. Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin

I keep hearing you say "Raise corporate taxes". Who do you think pays those taxes. They pass it to the consumer. Do you think a big corporation is going to eat a big tax hike without passing it along to others. Come on man, I gave you more credit than that. Then quit buying from the motherfuckers and save money. Downsize. Everbody want to keep up w/ the Jones. I live a simple life Psst, raising corporate taxes will make your cigarettes cost more too. Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin

[emotional] Yes! [/emotional] Wait, why? Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin

OK, but the US taxpayer will get some payback from spending on education, but blowing $500billion and counting, plus more than 3,000 lives, on an unnecessary war has not produced anything of value to the nation as a whole. Maybe you should take a look at the money being spent on the optional war you support. Kallend, just a couple of examples of your replies from the past few days. The topics being discussed have nothing to do with the war in Iraq, yet the war always seems to get invoked...why? Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin

Yeah, taking the money other people besides yourself have earned to help the poor. Very compassionate. I'd rather my money was taken to help the poor than to kill tens of thousands in an immoral war. Good God, man. Learn a new tune. Maybe your classes are impressed by the same routine over and over. Me? I'd appreciate a little insight from a man as learned as yourself...not just you hitting "Ctrl+V" whenever the question of taxes is brought up. Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin

Yeah, taking the money other people besides yourself have earned to help the poor. Very compassionate. Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin

So Congress is/was responsible for our military actions in Vietnam and Iraq? So all this rhetoric we hear about Bush destroying the Constitution and the taking of our rights is really Congress's faulty/responsibility? Interesting points. Was there a Congressional Declaration of war against North Vietnam? In the constitution only Congress is supposed to be able to declare war, but it seems that presidents (democrat and republican) have found a way to go to war without it, basically whenever they want to. But Congress goes right along with it. Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin

Fox and Friends is editorial. Castro didn't say "dream team", but he speculated that a team-up between Clinton and Obama would be "invincible". The graphic is where the editorial aspect of the show comes in. Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin

Wrong. Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin

I'm trying to figure out the conclusion that the readers are supposed to arrive at. Are you suggesting that the threat from Al Qa'eda has been over-hyped in some way ... or under-appreciated? Are you suggesting that the CORONA program is paralleled with NSA wiretaps? Or commenting on the cuts in the Appropriations bill to the Air Force's space-based weapons program ... or cuts to funding for missile defense (the Polish radar sites)? VR/Marg None of the above. I was merely suggesting that the argument was to general and should not be used to make decisions that had, have, and will have drastic affects on world politics. What argument should be used, then? Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin

That's one endorsement I would not want. As a side-topic, I wonder if endorsements by unsavory characters is a campaign strategy by a candidate's opponents. Like, if I were to run for president and get endorsed by Hillary Clinton or the American neo-nazis. Sure would ruin my image. Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin

If only Reagan were still alive we could blame him. Provoking a reaction isn't the same thing as saying something meaningful. -Calvin