Darius11

The problem is Zionism and also if your core beliefs are that you are “chosen” and better then all non-Jews how can there ever be a partnership? If the Palestinians are looked at as less then equivalent it will not be possible. There needs to be a culture change that does not breed racism. I am a supporter of what you are suggesting however I think for it to work both groups need to be disarmed and a 3rd party needs to be the enforcement agency. We already know that both sides will be extremely bias so a 3rd party might be the only way IMHO I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Why is the onus on the Palestinian's alone? Why do you give Israel a free pass to occupy land outside their borders, control all travel outside their borders, shoot anyone they want, imprison indefinitely any men, women and children they want with no charge, continue to steal land and build illegal settlements outside their borders, lob missiles at "suspected" terrorists and disregard any "collateral damage", control the money flowing in and out of Gaza, control the electrical power in Gaza, bulldoze homes and orchards of anyone they want, deny building permits to Palestinian residents of Israel and eventually take their land as well....the list goes on. And that's not even considering war crime activity like the cluster bombs and daily mock raid terrorizing of their neighbors. Everyone always says that Israel has a right to protect itself, why in the hell don't the Palestinian's have the same right? If I was going to place any responsibility I'd place it on the group with the most power to make something happen, and that's Israel and the US. The Arab Peace Initiative that was offered, which was looking for peace and security and recognition of Israel, is a good place to start. Israel and the US just need to set the negotiation table and try to get something started. It’s odd right. You have people so emotional about protecting life and freedom but have no issue or don’t even see anything wrong with what Israel is doing. I can’t comprehend how anyone can know the facts on both sides and still side with Israel, as you mentioned your not even really getting in to all the bad shit the Israelis have pulled. As someone else mentioned on here. The only people who think Israel has a leg to stand on are Jews, (most) Americans, and idiots. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I just think we need a 3rd party that is not involved with either party. If during the peace you have any issue like a shooting or any sort of enforcement of the rules by an Israeli or Palestinian the shit will hit the fan quick. It will become an emotional issue much faster then if a 3rd party was doing the enforcement. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

As you well know it is a very complicated issue. I feel bad for the Palestinian people simply because they have no one. Arafat as you all know took so much money billions I believe from his people. If that money had spent on infrastructure it would have done so much good. They need leader ship and the right leader will need help and a lot of it. What do you think the Israel needs to do to achieve or help achieve peace? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I think having a strong UN presence would be the only way. A strong UN presence could control most of the Palestinians who would not cooperate or try to cause disturbance, as they have no real weapons. Israel would have to want to go along, and show restraint when a rocket gets fired cause it will and let the UN handle it. It will require sacrifice and restraint, which is the only way we will have peace. There is a lot of hate on both sides that’s why a 3rd party is the best solution. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Pot kettel kettle pot or something like that. Instead of making fun or joking about it tell me why you think Egypt and Palestine are similar. Then when you replay I’ll read it think about and see if you have any good points or if they are all good. Then I will right back. That’s the way it should work. So instead of hinting at something speak up man. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I believe the purse strings should be independent of Israel. The only way we can ever have a lasting peace is for the Palestinian government to be very strong, and Israel needs to step out of the picture. We need UN troops covering the borders, so if and when something does go wrong and someone gets shot or killed. It is not added on as oh the fucking crazy Muslims or the evil Jews, but something equivalent to a police force. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Yes i agree Palestine needs a central strong government that has control. It can not have that if every time someone shoots a rocket the Israelis come in and bulldoze every ones home. But we don’t want Palestine to have a democratic government we want them to have a puppet government, granted that might serve better for the people in the short term. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I think the big difference there is simple. You did not have such an Israeli presence in Egypt that you do in Palestine. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Would you give money to someone who wants to kill you? In effect helping them toward their goal of killing you? Even if it were their money? No I wouldn’t give them money, but if you are mentioning why they are fighting now and why the government failed look at all the points and reasons. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

The more you talk I realize I should as suggested to me before just add you to my ignore list. You have such a narrow view on everything and so sure that your way is the only way you don’t even realize how slanted and blind you are. There is no hope of even a discussion with you John. Every sentence you have is filled with accusations about me. You know why that is? You are ignorant on the subject matter every time we discuss something I answer what you ask and then you spew more trash about me in a form of a question. Instead of spending time trashing the poster take that time and energy and research your Subject. Not saying you would agree with me just so you bring something other then flames to the discussion. This is my last replay to you John, now you can go and call me Osama Bin laden if you want. Your opinion is meaningless not because I don’t know you but unfortunately because in the past 3-4 years I have gotten to. I do enjoy the trips you take and the pictures you share, I hope you keep on taking them and wish to do the same whenever I have the time and money. Peace Your Terrorist friend Darius I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

John Grow up man will you. Your bullshit statements are your narrow view of me not my view of my selfor who i am. I take the time to answer even your most stupid question while for the past 3 years you have avoided every one of mine. Who is afraid? How about you go back and answer as many of my questions as I have answered yours then allow your self to ask me yet another question. How would you like to punish a suicide bomber John? By killing him Dohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I love the pic. If someone wants the big file of the pic to resize it let me know. I can never do that with out making the pic look like shit. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

i did not see one. What the ? my speedy friend. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

How do you justify the murders that the Israelis are responsible for? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

How do you justify the murders that the Israelis are responsible for? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Not support it is there money that was withheld. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Darius, kid wicked would say that you and I are wrong, for he knows far more than we could possibly fathom I understand what he is trying to say. I just don’t agree with him/her. There is so many things going on in this war and so many angels it is very hard to make a blanket statement, but like most things intention is what determines most viewpoints. I don’t think for one second (speaking of the majority) A US troop would drop a bomb wishing it would hit a school full of children, these fucks (Algaeda) however want to kill everything that’s not them I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

A democracy is the rule of the majority not all have to agree. Lets not forget that as soon as democratically elected Hamas took office the Israelis and we made it impossible for them to govern by freezing their assets. This is yet another great example of how we only care for us and what we want, and all the democracy talk and spreading freedom is bullshit for the not to bright sheep. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

That’s a wonderful questions that can be asked of all leaders who urge they’re young and often less fortunate citizens to sacrifice their live as they live in mansions. Which ones? The Palestinians. They blow themselves up out of desperation and having every hope taken from them. Giving ones life to fight invaders is considered an honorable act in many cultures. Others who are killing for the sake of killing can go fuck themselves. One of the first suicide bombers was a young Iranian boy who sacrificed his life by going under a tank with explosive. He killed him self to save his fellow men fighting an invading Iraqi Army. I find that an honorable act not a devious one. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Those Inhumane Israelis should be tried for war crimes. I am assuming it would be run by a Palestinian government, and who ever the people wish to elect. That is Democracy right? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Alqaeda's has always been the enemy. It would be great if this administration and others remembers that. As stated before Alqaeda hates everyone not just non Muslims but all that are not Alqaeda I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Just had to share. Someone with more tech skills then i can post it if they feel. Edit to add: i think i got it I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Thank you guys and Wendy It is to point out the hypocrisy and the stupidity of judging a whole group of people by the actions of a few. It is also to show humane nature. If we have people that we can relate to at least as fellow citizens, who acted so violently to one of there children being hurt. Why can’t we understand anger and violence dircted at us when we are dealing with people who we have either directly or indirectly caused murder of Thousands their children? I have never seen you name in SC before so you might not be familiar with the daily Muslims are crazy or they hate us free bull shit that gets posted. This Story provided a good opportunity to show that we are no betters it is just our circumstances that are. As for being Mentally Ill. That is a possibility hang around here for a bit longer and you will find many of us. If you have questions about the other posts i can explain those as well. just PM me. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

You’re right. If The US would invade it would make the people fight for there home. Iranians traditionally have strong pride and would make a deal with the devil to not become another occupied land. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain