Darius11

I agree. The info is out there if people search for it, but god forbid they find that the truth doesn't match what they want it to I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

That would be the right way for things to happen. From everything i have heard things have been bad and getting worst for the last few months. All I can hope for is minimum blood shed. Which in case of a revolution will mean the Military must join the people and not the government. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Well it can’t be discussed if the facts are not answered. It seems every time a question is asked it be answered by another questions. I try to answer questions no matter how stupid they are. Even when you acutely take the time to answer it is asked again and again. So Darius you think it is ok if Muslims kill Muslims? For the 100th time NO NO NO NO I can say it a hundred times, but it is asked again. The reason is simple. My answer does not fit their narrow view of A Muslim. What is stated in that video is truth. That is the way Palestinians are treated every day. I don’t see anyone arguing that. They can’t again because it is true. As for Israel being there it wasn’t that’s why the Israelis celebrate its creation in 48. These are simple facts. People mention oh I know one Jewish guy who lived there before. Well good for you it still doesn’t mean there was a country there, and who were the majority of people living there? I’ll let you answer this one for your self. Fact: Israel is a racists nation, They have broken more UN sanctions then Iraq, They are noticed around the world and not just by Muslims as an inhumane state. However we still send them billions of aid every year. These are all facts. There not made up, from anyone imagination, or a product of hate for people of the Jewish faith. They are simply true. We even tried to discuss who started it. When someone posted a video of how Israelis did kill man, woman, and child back when they first started their invasion. Again this is not BS hate it is fact, well-documented fact that even some Israelis acknowledge. The point of mentioning these facts is this. In the US there is a very one-sided view on the subject. Whenever I have discussed this subject with anyone they have only seen (or have been shown) one side of the story, and a very slanted one-sided story as well. There is another side and information is out there. As mentioned before you can do a simple search on google and see diaries of people Non-Muslims. Americans, Christians, even other Jews. Take the time and read them. Many have descriptions of what they have seen. It will give you a much better idea of why there is so much hate for Israel. There is nothing good about Zionism I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

You too Juan i am on my way to the ocean. Peace I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

hmmmmmmmmmmm i spelled somthing wrong didn't I? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

No actually it was stating the guy in the video is non-emotional unlike my self who does get worked up especially about this issue. I think killing any inocent people is bad. Have said it many times but you read my posts with your eternal filter. Agreed i alkready pointed out my self. By stating that the guy is non emotional unlike my self. If you recall we the US stated we want democracy once HAMAS was democratically elected we froze all their assets to make sure they can not govern. This is a prime example of our hypocrisy, and how are actions result in deaths simply because we want thing done our way. Killing sucks war sucks for every one. Read my replay to John I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

No John I didn’t miss your point, I just didn’t think it could be applied to both situations. First Understanding why someone might do something does not mean agreement with his or her action. It is just the other point of view to they are all crazy for the sake of being crazy. The difference between the Israelis is that they simply were not there before 1948. There was no Israel. They are Invaders. Same for us. We are in the Middle East the Middle East is not here. So when you invade a land you will get retaliation. As discussed many times here we should be aware of our past the real past. To understand why there might be a lot of people who hate us and not because we are free, but because us and our actions have caused a lot of misery in their lives. This video was for the people who are unaware of the treatment the Palestinians receive every day for the past 59 years. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

If you did not take the 8-min. it takes to watch please don’t comment. How can we support such a nation and belive in basic freedoms? It's all bad Juan. Do you have anything to say about the video or anything related to this thread? Your feelings about what I think or what I say are meaningless to me, but you tend to keep expressing them. As always I welcome any facts that provide information and add to the THIS discussion. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I have not looked at Fred Thompson yet so I will research him a bit, but right now I like McCain the most so far as well. I get a sense of honor from the man and less BS then I get from the others. It is too early your right on that. I think I might over think this as well. This will be the first presidential election I will be allowed to cast a vote for. So I am excited and really want to make the right decision. I am looking for any information I can get. Thank you. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Thx. I will check him out. He is the Law and order guy right? I don't know anything about him. The qualities you mentioned are the ones I hold as very important as well. I also do like the libertarian party from what I know and I don’t know much. I think there basic philosophy is you can do what ever you want as long as it does not directly effect others. They also believe in small government. I like both of those positions. I have been great. Just lots of work, haven't been able to jump much but life is good man. How about you bro? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I don’t think I have ever been more confused. I listen to the Liberal side, and I like the philosophy but real world application of most of their philosophies is not realistic. I listen to the Reps. and they seem more realistic but at the same time some of their views are just unacceptable and just based on religion. I am not discussing any particular issue it is just the feel I get from all the issues combined. I find it very frustrating that I would feel more comfortable voting for my Postman then any of the candidates. Is there anyone you feel strongly about? Or has anyone got your vote already? And why? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I was reading your post and I was like wow it is written so well. Then I noticed it was my post from a few days ago with just the names changed. Hey i am just glad you read the original post.

Anne Coulter spends a lot of her time calling people gay, godless............. I think any rational person would not put MM in the same category as Anne Coulter. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ou_C3Dt0T4&NR=1 I think this states the things I find so wrong and simply illegal with Israel in a non-Emotional way. If you did not take the 8-min. it takes to watch please don’t comment. How can we support such a nation and belive in basic freedoms? Also does anyone find anything in this video as false, or incorrect? please comment with your proof or links. Some interesting comments I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Ann Coulter Is nuts. I was listening to Michael Gram on 96.9 and he had her on today. She is psycho and doesn’t even live in the realm of reality. MM at least uses facts agreed that his on opinions shape his films however he doesn’t just attempted to force his view down your throat, he actually attempts to make one understand his points by showing you the facts he presents. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Sorry Bill didn’t know just saying a first name was wrong but I guess sense everyone knows whom I am talking about it is. I will change the post right now. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

It is not a lack of civilization but just how humans act and react. This estimated 2000-person mob was formed because of a child getting hurt and nothing more. Please think of this fictional scenario If lets say Canada was responsible for killing a thousand American children, and the US government says that they will take action but do nothing. Now think of this happening over and over. So one of the US citizens goes to Canada and kills a bunch of people. Do you think no one in the US would be cheering him on because of their frustration? Sorry for the scenarios but that seems to be the only way I can try to describe what people have been trough. As we have goon trough nothing similar for more then 200 years. My point: If we had been forced to endure what for example the Palestinians have goon trough. You can bet we would be cheering the mob fuck are government wouldn’t even give a chance for the mob to committee murder, they would be the first ones in lines ready to kill the enemy and would leave no one alive for the mob to kill.. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Obviously this story proves otherwise. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

i love that show I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I am still waiting for the zipper. Is there another source if Birdman doesn’t ever send it? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Really is that why we have been in more wars then any one in the last 50 years? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Well it will Jive if you expand the picture. Instead of a child hurt make it child killed. Then make the murder not by a car accident but by missiles, or sanction that killed your child from hunger. Now multiply by the appropriate number, which at best should be in the hundreds of thousands and think of this incident happing for years after years every day. It is easy to be civil, pleasant and nice when you have no reason not to be, when you have not been pushed in a corner. It makes me puke when I see some sit there in there cushy lives, and judge people and think they are better people. At the same time the same guy that would flip out if they forget his fries with his number 1 sits there and judges. I find it ironic that people want others to be civil when they have experienced injustices that they can not even fathom. Also we have people who seem to masturbate to any bad news that has a Muslim in it. So for a narrow view this story makes a great point. Look at what “your people” do when a child gets hurt. I think most people got the point. You can dissected anyway you like but again the point is we are far more similar then we are different. We like to assume we are all high and mighty but we are not we just have not been pushed. We are only as good as our options. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

It is the best hummus I have ever had. My Fav is the one with Pine nuts. Frekin rock. Country white bread, Hummus. Turkey, chopped parsley, and cucumber sandwich. Awesome with some hot dark Black Indian tea. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

The Point: I see a lot of posts where people call Muslims crazy, barbaric, or backwards. Why are they so violent? Well this is how you’re fellow Texans act when one of their children is hurt in a non life-threatening manner. I wonder what we would do if a country were responsible for thousands of our children’s death………………. Turn the other cheek? I somehow doubt that Think before you speak. Here is a giant mirror. The only reason we are so “civilized” is we have very cushy lives. I wonder how we would react if we had to go through what we put other people through. Have a nice day. Edited to remove veiled attack on another poster I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain