Darius11

Yes i do 100% Unfortunately we have many people who are so off center that forces me to go in the opposite direction just so we can get back in the middle. Great post Lawrocket. I disagree with some points but all in all a very well written and fair post. I appreciate that. Palestine has suffered a lot from Israeli but they have also suffered as much or maybe even more because of horrible and corrupt leadership. However the new leadership is not given a chance to gain some power and respect from the people to do anything. Israel once again has broken international law and kid napped cabinet members of democratically elected Hamas. If Hammas is not treated like legitimate government and is not respected by the Israelis their people will not respect them. The only thing that will be respected will be violence and vengeance. How would we feel about our government if Canada could just walk in and arrest our president? What option would we consider? I agree that Israel should protect it self and it’s citizens however it should open up talks on territories that Palestinians have a legal claim on, It should start treating them with dignity, and it should respect international law. You said Jews were hated more then 50 years ago I agreed with you they have been hated by different groups all threw time. I don’t know the reason behind this hate if there is one. I know some Christians hate Jews because they see them as the killer of Christ and I know Muslims were friends with Jews until they were betrayed by them in a famous battle that for some reason I can’t remember the name of right now. But it had to do with letting people in to a Muslim City wall that end it up in murder of many Muslims These issues are so old and to blame all Jews for the actions of a few is as stupid as blaming all Muslims for 9-11. The whole picture is very complicated. We have extremist on both sides, and we have people providing fuel for those extremists as well. Very bad combination. Every time a suicide bomber is sent to Israel there is fuel for the Israeli extremists, and every time Israel kills Palestinins or invades the borders it provides fuel for more suicide bombers. How does the cycle end? Who has the power to take the high road? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Holy shit dude. How do you control a guy that much bigger then you if he fucks up? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

They do that all the time in your part of the country... they will condemn you home.. and build what they want... for the better use of all....OR if they can get more tax money. Really do you know of anyone in Tehran that had there home taken away from them??? I am guessing by my part of the country you mean Tehran where I grew up right? Since you know everything or pretend to know everything you tell me. Is there any Pepto-Bismol for people’s fingers? Maybe that would stop all the bull shit that gets posted. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I like some of your other posts but on this issue, you scare me. That aside, I have a better solution. I'm tired of this as well and it's in the interest of the US's national and fiscal security to put an end to it. My proposal is to mobilize US Air Force and Navy as well as a few satellites to orbit Israel, Gaza, Lebanon and the West Bank. Any and all Arab and Israeli military vehicles need to return to return to their bases inside of their internationally legally recognized borders. Any movement of those vehicles/aircraft and they will be immediately targeted and destroyed. Any aggressive action or occupational incursion will be met with destructive military force. I don't care who does it. One strike and you're out. Oh yea, we should also take at least half of the money that we give Israel and use it to rebuild Lebanon and Gaza. Either that, or we take our money, our military hardware and our UN veto pen and go home. Sounds fair and like a good option. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Actually if we ever meet you will see I am as easy going as it gets. My only hatred is towards ignorance, and People who are inconsiderate of others. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

You support Israel (I am guessing from your posts) and you used the excuse that because that land was not what it is today, because the Israelis have made huge technological advances and have raised the standard of living the Arabs should shut the fuck up. So I was asking does that apply to you as well. If I can improve your land or home and make it better do I get to kick you out or move you to the shity part of your house like the basement and you would be ok with that? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

The Issue is that whenever Israeli is mentioned it is viewed as a statement about the Jews. It is a land dispute. There is an Aggressor and occupier they happen to be Jews. But being Jewish and suffering a horrible past does not excuse you for Humanity. It should not be a reason for us to turn our heads away and not see the thing that the Israelis have done. Shooting children in the head for throwing rocks at tanks? Justify that one for me? Killing an American peace activist by running her over by a bulldozer? What the justification for that? Firing a canon from a war ship that kills people siting on a beach? The list goes on and on and on for 58 years of cruelty and inhumane treatment that should not be excused because there Jewish. Personally I don’t hate or discriminate against any race or religion. I have many friends from all religions and back rounds including Jewish. I don’t view the Israeli issue as a Jewish problem but an Israeli problem that all people should speak up against. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

So does that mean I can take over your house if you are not taking care of it up to my standards? You avoided the questions. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

LOL You are normally a rational guy but I don’t know where you’r coming from. So your telling me that if your land that you lived on and home was taken and given away you would bake the people who took the land a pie? Come on man be honest? You know that’s full of shit. And your statement there is part of the problem. The inability to put your self in the shoes of the Palestinians. I really suggest you watch a few documentaries and read a few diaries of the way Palestinians are treated. I am sure if you were treated as they were you would understand their hatred. As for previous history. The Jews have been persecuted since the beginnings as to the reasons why Jews seem to always get picked on I have no clue. As for what is happening in the Middle East in regards to Israelis. IMHO I believe the reason the Jews are hated is not because they are Jewish but because the one killing and taking the Palestinians homes happen to be Jewish. So again I say this. If the Israelis were from another planet and had blue skin the Palestinians would hate any one from the planet who had blue skin. Simple you don’t want people to hate you don’t kill their children, don’t steel their land. As to historical claim of that land we can discuss that till we are both blue. However it does not change the facts that the people who were moved from that and to make room for the Israelis were the Palestinians. So they lived in that area until it was taken from them. What really doesn’t make since to me is why didn’t the Israelis get a peace of Germany or some place in Europe? There were no death camps in Palestine? Why did they get the burden of giving up there land? The most important point is this: Israelis action is the cause of Israeli hate. Just look at what was done to Lebanon. Here is how biase the peoples view is Let’s compare these two incidents. About 3 weeks before this whole thing there was an explosion on a beach that killed Inocent Arabs. The Israeli investigation showed it was a mine and not a canon shell from their war ships. However independent investigation showed the Israelis were lying and a canon shell caused the explosion. If Palestine were capable would you have supported them if they destroyed all of Israelis infrastructure? If not then why do you support the Israelis for doing the same for 3 soldiers not civilians like the people killed on the beach? Is an Israeli life worth more then an Arab one? Unfortunately it seems that’s the way at least to the US and the west. Maybe that is the reason for the hate and not the reason that their Prophet is Moses considering Muslims considers Moses as a prophet as well. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

The Jews have taken a good for nothing piece of land and turned it into a functioning society. No matter how much money you give someone, unless they are willing to step up to the plate, it's useless. If the Arab brethren actually cared about each other and the welfare of the race, there's enough money there to give everyone a leg up. The fact is they would rather kill a Jew than drill a water well, and plant a garden. I AGREE 100%. I have made this argumanet before. So guys. Can I take your house and move you guys to the basement if I have the money and support to make your homes and property “Better”? Let me know what your addresses are so I can come and take what is now my property. Oh yea and if you say anything about it I will imprison, torture, or kill you my choice. Off course you would never want to fight back because you wouldn’t want to be a dirty terrorist right? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

LOL You crack me up. So the people who started the problem are fine the people fighting back for there land are the cause of the problem?????? I want some of what you’re smoking. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

lawrocket the problem that most people seem to have is they stop the "what if" scenarios when it is convenient. What if Israel would not have taken Palestinians land? That’s the first what if. What if Israel did not treat the people with cruelty? What if they did not bulldoze houses take property and murder people would they be hated? I don’t think so. You don’t fuck with my home, land, family and friends why would I hate you. But you do fuck with it then I will fuck with you. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Would you blow yourself up? If yes, why? If no, why? Blowing your self up is just another way to die for a cause. So yes I would die for a cause that I strongly believe in. For me that would be if someone was going to kill my family, friends, or hurt the people I love. If I could kill who was planing or doing harm to the ones I love by sacrificing my own life I would. I sure that feeling would get even stronger if I was a father. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

What if the majority of people want to live under religious rule and have a religious state? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

He said poor does middle class != poor I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Yes Darius, that is exactly what that is, God Willing. prove me wrong your the one who made that statment right? so where did you see it? did you just think it up? Felt like I need to add this. I am not trying to pick on you POP it’s just everyday I hear people say shit that has no facts behind it. It has become so easy for people to just accept any violent ignorant shit they hear as long as it is Muslim who is said to have made that statment. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

How often do you hear that a suicide bomber came from a rich family? Wow you are full of misstatements today I have to say I am enjoying this. Research has proven most suicide bombers are from middle class families who are educated so try again. I bet if they didn’t see there families get bullied and killed daily they wouldn’t want to kill anyone including them selves. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

One I am not the Iranian president. Two in the letter he wroth to the GW he stated that he believes in Jesus as well. Do you have anywhere will he used those words that “GW is the enemy because he does not believe in Allah”? Or is that another case of diarrhea of the mouth or fingers in this case. The interview I saw two nights ago it seemed the Iranian president who I have called in sane on here many times made some good points. He wants diplomacy not the bulling we see done daily. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I guess that’s where the ignorance comes from. Just you’re post alone. Sad to see when you run out of facts you start typing with out thought maybe that has always been the way who knows. How about this I won’t force my way of life on you as long as you don’t think you should be allowed to force your views on others. Doesn’t that sound like a good thing? As for calling all woman whores you seem have miss the point as Michelle did. In the cultures we were discussing. Like Iran if you dress the way woman often do in the United States you will be view as a whore. Not because the Men say so but because many of the woman think so as well. Different culture. It is so sad that so many view the world in their narrow view. People are entitled to there culture WHO THE FUCK is anyone to tell others there culture is wrong. Now feel free to call me a terrorist, towle head, trator or what ever the ignorant wish to call me. I am used to it. When people run out of facts and what they view as to be truth is proven to be false they either are smart and learn and move on or they keep on holding on to there false beliefs. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

You gotta ask yourself this question.. If there was peace in the region by some miracle.... would you rather live in Israel or in a Hezbollah controlled Lebanon?? Or in a Hamas run Palestine?? Who do you really think would allow you the human rights you expect ? LOL that statement is so ignorant. So if anyone doesn’t agree with YOUR WAY OF LIFE there the enemy. Why do you think people are willing to kill them selves to take back their land from Israeli? I have a feeling they want there way of life respected as you would want your respected. Stop viewing the world as the United States. Different cultures difference people just because they are different doesn’t mean they should not have the right to exist. Just because you wouldn’t want to live there doesn’t mean no one wants to. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

My point was will they shut the fuck up bringing up excuses or will they admit the truth. To everyone esle. As for what Amazon said. I believe there has been enough posts showing how Israelis have used prisoners, which consisted of everyday people and used them as humane shield. Open your eyes. Israel is not this democratic country who respects their neighbors. They are the reason for the hate there action is the reason they are hated. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Tea i love tea I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Will anyone who supports the destruction and murder of all Jews now try to make peace in the region??? I think not... So stay tuned for the next round.. UNLESS people have a change in attitude and sit down and finally make peace....or maybe next time the dogs of war are loosed... we can all watch as MILLIONS of Jews... and or MILLIONS of Darius "brown people" will die because of their inability to live with reality.....and as the Muslims around Saladin... and the Clergy around the King of Jerusalem ( In Kingdom of Heaven) kept saying.....GOD WILLS IT. You’re starting to sound like the right winged war supporters now that is a surprise. Off course people need to sit and talk and compromise, but who is to blame for the hatred? If Israel indeed just destroy a nation because it wanted to and not the reasons they original stated (wow where have I seen this before) do they really want peace? Is the hate towards the Israelis not a valid hate? If a country invaded your country destroyed it and then after the destruction was done it was found that there reason was a false one how would you feel about them? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Yea It seems people just accept that we hear lies people die because of these lies and no one is held accountable. I don’t get it. I wish they would follow the story to the end and show every part not just the parts they want. Someday man when I have lots of money I am going to have my own news show. I am going to call it The Truth. We will be news and not entertainment. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

That’s my questions I guess, Will you shut the fuck up now? With news and more news that this war(the Israeli & Lebanon) was planned a year ago. So all the people who said this war was started because of kidnapped soldiers will you STFU now? Not to mention what side of the border the soldiers were at the time of their capture is a huge question. The people who once again blamed the Muslims will you STFU now? Or will you keep on searching and searching for reasons to make yourselves feel right? It has become way to common for people to decide the result and then do a research to find the facts that match with the result they have already decided on. They ignore the facts that would prove them wrong. I say the same to the people who supported the Iraq war no WMD? Will STFU now? No flowers and happy people greeting the troops? How about now? When will it be enough? How much more bad news and disappointments do you need to see before you will admit you were wrong? Will it ever happen? What is it with Ignorance? Why is it some people just don’t get even when the facts hit them directly in the face they still don’t see it? Has anyone who was supporting Israel and there right to start this war that destroyed a nation changed there mind now with news that this war was planned a year ago? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain