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for me it Totally depends on the crime, the motivation, and the circumstances. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

We already have the extreme left That is why this group thinks the right has moved Nope It is the left that has moved When issues that were never up for debate with any other president are all of a sudden being debated and fought against as never before by the right, you Don’t really have much facts to back your claim up. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ-YErKiUVo This is very funny and a great idea, We need an Extreme left to match the extreme right so we can have a compromise somewhere in the middle. Posted because I find it very funny. Enjoy, I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

The point is it takes 4 min to listen and find out for your self, probably less time then it took you to write the posts you just did. You said why should you care? I don’t know if you should. I don’t pretend to know you or give a FUCK if you do care or not. I find it funny that in your head your that important that you assume the posts are just posted for your view. I am just sharring what i found intresting. Simple as that. Now go cure cancer I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Here is part two http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpOJXGELaGc&feature=related Disclaimer: I find this debate interesting, and find Stanhope ideas revolutionary, and funny when he is doing stand up. Please do not click if your time is very valuable and you are taking time away from solving the worlds problems because you are so important. If you do have time and want to here some debate listen. Do not write nasty remarks if you do not have the time or your minuets are so valuable to the humane race that they can not be wasted on any thing other then things of outmost importance. This is just for fun I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I don’t care if you care or not, you didn't even have to post and waist any of your time. I am sharing with anyone who knows, if you don’t you don't. It is not mandatory to click on a link. I love it when these guys take the time post so they can say they don’t have the time. HAHA fucking hilarious. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc_Qa5m1e00&feature=feedrec_grec_index just a great debate. 5 parts this is part 1. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQvrw9ziYkg Fair and blah blah blah I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I don’t think being Jewish, Muslim, or Israeli is a gaurntee that someones view is bias . I think people who have been brain washed which can be as simple as only being introduced to one side of a story there whole life, and not willing to even contemplate the other side. We have that every where. What frustrates me the most is people who are obviously not using logic or a fair standard to make up there mind but they pretend as if they are. There motivation is racism and has been but they are either liars or simply to dim to see themselves. For me its as simple as applying a standard if you can apply the standard regardless of religion or camaraderie and stay consistent then your fine, if you change you standard and cant not be consistent then one needs to look and see why. For the record my statement applies to most on here, but not all. There are a few people on here who disagree with me strongly and might not even like me because of my views, but I respect them because they are fair even if we do not agree. They don’t make it black and white. I can follow there logic. I also agree with you I think if politics, extremist, and bad governing weren’t apart of this, the people would have easily found a way to coexist. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I am just so happy about this i cant even put it in too words. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I honestly don’t know to be pissed off for all the aggravation you have caused us when we have said the same things about abuse, and all that you mentioned, or be happy as fuck that at least you are willing to see the actual picture, because you saw the actual picture. I am sure we still wont agree on much but I have to say I am just happy that you have been able to humanize the issue, and understand that they have many reasons to be frustrated and angry with there situation. I agree lobbing rockets or any action by ANY side that is done with no regard for civilians is appalling. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

A word of advice for you just from someone who has been trying to talk about the facts on this issue for many years. Simple answer we have lots of hypocrites on here. The same people who are talking about taking shit just because they can and using the force as there justification are the same people who will cry like a bitch and never shut the fuck up about it if it happens to them. Basically by there logic if they had a backbone and could at least stay consistent on ONE standard (which the people you will face on here who have blindly sold there soul do not) Hitler should be there hero? He just killed a bunch of inocent people and took there shit, ruthlessly murdered poor inocent people who did not have a way to protect themselves. By there logic force is the justifier….that’s if they were consistent. If you use there retarded logic so what, but that’s where the issue is. It sonly bad when bad things happened to fellow Jews if there the ones killing the poor inocent people who are none Jews its ok. They make excuse after excuse. Simple hypocrisy at its worst. When you apply different standards for different people you are a peace of shit racisist, and not worth the time, or energy for actual debate. There world is not based on logic. We have the usual Jews can do no wrong crowd here, do some research in there mind 2 + 2 = whatever is better for there side. They have no logic and ZERO moral integrity. I have asked them this question for years. Hey Israeli supporters can you give ONE standard that you use to condemn the Palestinians or one standards you use to justify your actions and stay consistent when you apply that standard to the other side? They can not and will not. Simple answer there is no logic in there logic. They simply think Its Israel its my chosen people so I will support whatever they do. That’s been my experience with this crowd. You have a few people who tend to stay logical regardless of religion or a sense of camaraderie, but most will excuse a baby being murdered in her mothers arms simply because they feel a sense of camaraderie with the victimizers. You would think it would be obvious that if you separate your self in to a group and segregate your self. You will become separated and segregated from others. It would also seem obvious that the definition of racism is finding two different conclusions for the same actions where the only difference is that the said action was committed by different groups. So do you think if Israel was just taken over in a war they would use there Bull shit war logic that they use on the Palestininas? No they would cry and bitch all of a sudden humane rights would mean something to this crowd. Wouldn’t it be great if they valued all humane life as the same? Too much brain washing as a kid I guess. don't know the answer just know I find it as disgusting humane behavior. The worst of its kind, the kind of mentality that leads to mass murder, genocide and holocausts. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

When you have people constantly spewing ignorant garbage, when they take one example one person use that for condemning a race, religion,a LARGE group of people shit like this happens. The Nazis weren’t from space, they were people normal people who heard the same ignorant racists shit that many on here spread daily. All you need is someone and they exist in every denomination to take it seriously and be looking for an excuse to use violence. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

What's your's called? WOW....You are way the fuck outta line bubba Wow you really don’t have the nerve inside your head that screams hypocrite do you? You spew hateful garbage all day, all the time, you have said words that can easily be looked at calling for violence against any thing brown!!!!???????????????? WOW that’s all I have to say WOW. Selective amnesia? I was expecting you to send this guy a letter asking for his hand in Marriage? Actually we have quite a few people on here who I am surprised have not asked this guy to marry them……….. oh wait most of those guys think marriage is between a man and a woman only. He is all yours i guess I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

http://www.theonion.com/articles/report-you-know-you-are-a-fucking-idiot-right,20907/ I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Do you ever not think in absolutes? Guess what some woman do lie, even white Christian ones. And yes Woman do get raped, and some report it and some do not. And yes the rapist should be punished to the fullest degree of the law. However in the real world the world that’s not in simple black and white. There are people who lie, there are people who changed there mind, and yes some woman use it as a weapon to ruin good mens lives. Its hard to take ANY THING you say seriously when all you do is deal in absolutes and attack anyone who poses a LOGICAL challenge. So before you spew some Bull shit about how I am PRO RAPE. LET ME BE CLEAR. Rape is a horrible offence and I don’t think the current punishment on the books is sufficient enough. I believe in some cases the death penalty is the right way to go. However I think in cases where it is obvious that a victim LIED, or Falsified a story for Revenge, guilt, whatever they should get the sentence that the falsely accused could have gotten. As for Child rape. In my opinion you get two options cut your balls off or life in prison. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Do we have a banned count for this thread? This has been a fun one to read. Am I the only one who thinks in terms of logic? Why all the over analysis? If it feels good for you and has no negative effects for others why not do it? Simple as that. I honestly think if your sitting there trying to decide what sex you are attracted to there is something wrong. Its not a thought process it is very animal. You feel it in side your soul. I wish you luck man, it would suck to have the greatest pleasure of your life fucked up because of some crazy shit someone put in your head. Fuck/get fucked/ or both by whom you like man. Life is too short for this BS. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

We have many so called patriots who say they live/die to protect the constitution but they have no issue taking a giant shit on it when it comes to brown people, and when fear gets to them. Weak foundations, weak ethics, and flexible moral spine its an epidemic. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

????? I like how one guy suggested that your facts are wrong (which they are as usual) and maybe you should actually read a book before you spew your garbage, an you take it to the extreme. You must constantly drink mountain dew ur so EXTREEM. In your crazy fucked up world all tan people hate Jews. Its just a Muslim thing. We are born we get milk and a hate the Jews book. When we turn 2 we get our suicide vests. Your soooooooo smart. As for your "convert or die" comment you must be retarded if you think Islam is the only religion that has blood on its hands. It does however make the perfect point. You have so much bias in you that you see every act a Muslim makes as evil and you excuse all evil acts done by Israel. I think in your mind the truths, actual historical events are not even related to the real world any more. You just believe what you want. Any one who thinks Israel is just free and clear of all blame is obviously blind. It seems you only hate hypocrisy when Republicans get caught in some sex act but you sure love it when it comes Israel. Keep thinking 2+2 = Jello I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

The government no question. I think Americans will eventually have to realize a profit model is not the best model for everything, and something’s should not be done for profit. They should be done with the intent of doing the job as best as possible. Education, Prisons(justice system), Police, Military, and healthcare should never be viewed as successful depending on how much profit they make but the results they produce. We are a government of the people for the people and as long as we have people who are so easily manipulated to vote against there own interest well we are fucked. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ac1SnQfOfw I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Gas-NEVER Charcoal- Only when i cant find the wood chips (cowboy carcoal it is called) Real Wood chips is the way to go. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

The only thing saving you from, and in a police state is your guns. The 2nd is the right that guarantees all your other rights PERIOD. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

A gun is not a solution in every situation. Its actually meant to be used only in very particular satiation’s. However until there are people who can use a gun against me, it is my natural right to be able to protect my self with the same lethal force. That’s my personal stand and you can call that my religion because no argument in the world will ever change my mind on that. I have the right to protect my life and the life of the ones I love with lethal force. Unless you can gurantee that no one can use lethal force against me and my loved ones (which you cant, no one can). It’s the rules of nature it is the rules of life. One of the simple truths. As for what happened here I think the cops got lucky (unfortunately) that they were invading a home of a veteran. He most likely flowed his lock perjures that’s why the gun was still on safe. Most responsible guns owners and shooters will not put there finger on the trigger or disengage safety until they are sure of what they are shooting at and what’s behind it. Simply put the deceased followed protocol and the cops panicked because they are shitty cops. More importantly they denied him medical attention after he was shot. This is not cool at all, and i wish he (the Vetern) was the one still standing. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain