Darius11

Bingo, and i am going to use that. Perfect explanation. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J-vYph6abI Billy let me know if this is a repost I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I think the root is some still think Islam = Terrorist even if they are not aware of it. Otherwise there is no reason to think its in bad taste. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I agree. Unfortunately just like we have ignorant people in Islam we have them in the US as well. I believe if you separate, and segregate people it will only bring exactly that. The people will feel there is a general lack of trust, and it will bread hate and misunderstanding for all. Not to mention it is unconstitutional. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Dude great video. Best parts of an airshow put in too one video. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

?on or about what? I think they were right on the money and some the smartest leaders any country has ever had. I view the Constitution as the single most well written document EVER written for the humane condition. Now it might not always do what you want but that's the point. It protects every citizens rights regardless of what the masses wish to believe. It lets us have a country that is truly free. I can think of things that as an individual i would like but that's the issue once an individual is making the decision or even just the majority you can always have tyranny. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Muslim should not be treated any different then the rest of the US population. That means they have the same constitutional rights as every one else, they should have no more and no less rights then any other citizen. Regardless of if this story is true or not. Privet Muslim school do what you want, public schools same rules should apply to all. IMO I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Agreed. I think Iran is going to really bad places. Its very sad to see the govermnt become more and more extreem. I know the poeple the majority don't agree with the goverments viwes they are very much like prisinors in there own land. Unarmed citizens but thats another thread. Hi Dari, You say,"Unarmed Citizens..." Well bud 'ya got that a bit cornfused! There are no "Unarmed Citizens!" "An Armed Man is a 'Citizen'" "An Un-armed man is a 'S-U-B-J-E-C-T!'"....Got that?? That was my point. its good to remember guns are not just to protect us from criminals but also from tyranny. I think of the 2nd amendment as the guaranty or at least protector of all our other rights. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Agreed. I think Iran is going to really bad places. Its very sad to see the govermnt become more and more extreem. I know the poeple the majority don't agree with the goverments viwes they are very much like prisinors in there own land. Unarmed citizens but thats another thread. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Let me see if i can explain this in crayon for you. Views formed by only understanding one side of the story are usually wrong or at the very minimum very skewed. Also what you say is rubbish every country has people who have different views. If the only thing you can come up with is go back to where you came from maybe its time to reevaluate your beliefs, that would be the intelligent thing to do. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

True. And i think thats the reason we have always given Isreil a pass. I don't get how that can be denyed by anyone who thinks they value logic. The holocaust was systematic extermination. I think that horror was a HUGE motivation in making sure that the Jewish people have there own land. 1948 we have Israel. The problem we have is there is no clear-cut answer. It can not be denied that people were displaced from there land. There was an injustice done to them. At the same time the Israelis built the country up to what it is today, and many sacrificed to make it what it is. If you read how it was at beginning you get much better view as to how much people struggled to make Israel what it is today. At the same time they have reacted harshly and with no compassion to the people who used to live on the land. You cant get me to say that Israelis creation was a just act, I cant bend my morals that way. It was not. At the same time what will you do now? Fight forever? More children will die and their situation will never get better. Israel has the right to defend its self as anyone else but to deny the condition that brought the hate and expand the hate is insane. So its not black and white. Both hands are dirty with blood, and the first strike was the displacement of the refugees who lived there. Its about land religion is just a tool used. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I think anyone with the IQ of above 80 who can read knows that the holocaust is why we have Isreil. Sorry if it hurts for you say. To deny that link is to deny historical fact. It happens alot here. Oh I am not supporting it. I tried to explain what the farsi was saying on the sign. I read more on the site and you are right it is a hate site. No argument there. But read a few of the pages they are so stupid SO fucking beyond the realm of reality its hard for me to believe anyone would read this and think oh this is facts. Even the way its written is insane. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Yes when you know history and not only exposed to the highly censored American Media you tend have a better worldview. By the way that’s what debates for bring your facts and see if they stand up. Most who have tried on here have failed because simply the facts don’t support there stance. So they do what you do which to easily right off what they don’t like to hear, and simply generalize every one who disagrees with them in a simple group. I know it hurts some of you to have to think. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

To me it looks like there showing the Israeli Jews as hypocrites who have asked for sympathy and help when they were the victims of horrific acts, at the same time they seem to have no issue committing horrific acts. Sorry but I can see there hypocrisy. However its not just Israelis who suffer from this condition. I have noticed any one who values there sense of camaraderie more then logic tend to do the same thing. We see them here on SC all the time. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

You think this was the Iranian government? They have swastika as the turn page arrows. I know there are plenty of hate web pages out there. Went to High school in Iran and NEVER had an Anti Jewish teacher or book. There is plenty of Anti Israeli sentiment however. And in Farsi the picture says "how many have been killed because of the excuse of the holocaust" We right sentences different in farsi, but you get what they are saying. That makes sense to me as I think Isreail does get breaks and was created right after W.W.II mainly because of the Holocaust. Are you denying that? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Your view is narrowed to the life we have here. What can one do when there is no way to take such actions when the rule of law is simply not based on justice? You think you should call the sheriff? my point is what if there is no sheriff. The turn your cheek idea the idea that we were discussing as a philosophy did not say turn the other cheek and call your local police department. Surly you realized we are discussing philosophy and not choosing between vigilantism or the rule of law? The choice is to do nothing (turn the other cheek) or to strike the person who has broken the peace with enough force to stop him from ever victimizing anyone else. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Dude, you're on dz.com. It's not like in those 2 minutes you were gonna cure cancer. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

So what should happen to the people throwing rocks? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Its not a religion of peace, but that was the message that was preached i think mainly because we had Rednecks killing anyone that looked brown right after 9-11. Most were Hindus who have hated Islam longer then the rednecks knew about it. Islam is about Justice. There can be no peace without Justice. The turn the other cheek belief is christian one. We believe there can only be an abuser if the abused take no action. Who must be punished is the person who originally broke the peace. For exs. if you throw a rock at me I should throw a bolder on you. idea is i am minding my own business your the problem your the one who threw the first rock therefore you are the one who is not fit for society not the one who was minding there own business. the idea is if i just sit there and allow you to abuse me you will abuse others therefore i am enabling you to keep throwing rocks because i just say thank you may i have another. This is my understanding of it. I believe it fits better for the humane condition. However i do think turning the other cheek is the only way the world will find ultimate peace. Unfortunately i think turning the other cheek is far far from humane nature. Which means i also belive we will never live in a world without war. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

100 Percent agree. I find it lame when we mention horrible actions of others to excuse horrible actions we have taken or want to take. I don't get that at all. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

The ones you have met you know on a personal level and not a head line. Ever think tht might be the case as well? agreed on most and yes Amazon i include Iran as one of the bad ones as well. but that's the government. Can you see how we could be looked at as warmongers and murders if the world was to judge us on what GWB did? and is it fair to judge a massive group of people by the actions of there leaders? also if its fair to judge the people, who holds more responsibility? the people free to vote in a democracy or the people who if they disagree with the government actions they will be killed? I think the vast majority of people want the same things. a chance to live grow, nd the sme for ther children. What do you think there motivtion is for the ones that hate us? Rally what is it that a muslim familly wants thats so diffrent then an american one? The Hijackers were mostly Saudi and from a section of Islam that looks at me in the same manner that it views any thing that is different(infidel). So i hate them as much as you (I grew up in Long Island and went to the city often), so i hate being compared to such animals just because i am Muslim. Oddly enough to me and the Muslims i know we viewed them as much of a Muslim as you would view a child raping priests as a Christan. yes they were spies in this country who wanted to kill us they had a plan. That does not make every muslim here on a plan to take over. There will always be people who do bad things for many different reasons grouping them is simplifying something that should not be simplified. I have no idea, but what do you think there hiding? It is a Mosque so i have a feelingthe money came from Muslims and acording to you logc that makes it already wrong. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

My feelings of how people should be treated have nothing to do with there faith. I think that's the point. So unfair treatment of Christians, Jews, or none believers is unfair treatment to me no matter who is doing it. By the way in Iran i have had good Christian friends and i have never heard them or seen them face discrimination. As a matter of fact most of the Islamic laws that prevent the use of alcohol specifically do not apply to them so they can worship as they wish. Same for Jews. However i am not trying to say that the Iranian government is what we should look at for any standard of Justice. that's why i am here because i believe in the values presented by the Constitution. I belive religion should have no roll in goverment period. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I had respect for you because you served now i have more respect for you because you are honest with us and your self. I understand the Anti Muslim stance that you have, however i think it has more to do with what you are exposed too. I think when all you see is the negative and the people who are trying to kill you daily are muslim that will effect your viwe. So I understand why or what makes you feel that way, but at the same time its like focusing on a huge picture with a microscope you only get to see one small section. You do not see the similarities that many humans regardless of religion or color share. not all muslims belive in the same things or even belive in them in the same manner. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Yea I see we just do not agree. I think the KKK is filled with Idiots, and don’t agree with ANY THINMG THEY SAY not to mention I am a part of the many groups they hate. However I think as an American I have to protect even there right to express. I think that’s where we differ. Be safe and thank you for your service. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

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