Darius11

And you would be surprised at how much laws vary from country to country, and what the definition of the same religion mean to different people. In the Muslim world (and almost all other religions) promiscuous sex is looked down on period, and again there can be no blanket statement as each country and culture deals with things differently and it is very stupid to think they are all the same. And thats obvios in your post because you simply as stated are twsing things in your head to make Isreail look good no matter what. Whats the guys crime? Because consensual sex and rape are the opposites. So whats his crime not beiung Jewish? Lieing about being Jewish? Next they’re going to have all the Arabs put crescent moons on their cloths so they can be identified. The saddest part is some of you would bend over backwords to make that seem ok too. Also bringing up Muslim countries that have horrific rules is the lamest excuse. Your basically saying they do wrong so its ok when we do wrong at the same time claiming when you do it its not wrong. WTF man how flexible is your moral backbone? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

First Arab is race and not a country so it would depend in what country you are talking about. Also if in Arab world (whatever planet you are referring to in your post) if they decided and made their judgments solely on the race or religion of the person guess what they would also be racists ass holes. It doesn’t magically make it ok to cast judgment solely on someone’s race or religion. If you were not so busy twisting shit tin your head just to make Israel look good you would see that. She fucked a guy she wanted to fuck, claims it was not consensual then the guy has to make a plea bargain when they find out that yes she DID WANT TO FUCK HIM but her ONLY issue is that he is not Jewish. Its not hard to see wha6 the motivation was unless you close you eyes with your fingers in your ears screaming BLAH BLAH BLAH. Talk about speaking to rocks Don’t need the hypothetical because the truth explains every thing. Her only motivation to file charges is that he is not Jewish and he lied that he was. So in this case not being Jewish is the crime there was no rape. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

That’s the Issue right there you add things that I did not say to make me seem irrational. I did not say all Israelis are racists. I did say in the past and will gladly give example after example of racist policies the Israeli government upholds. That doesn’t mean all Israelis are racists, but the pollicies the government enforces that’s a whole other issue. I also understand the motivation behind some of the laws when it concerns safety. however understanding the reason for something doesn’t make it not be what it is. Jews only roads I understand its for safety (as you had stated) but that doesn’t make it any less racists to me. I make a point not too, and alwasy try my hardest to use the right words not to group up people. If i have generalized i was wrong. generalizing mass groups of people is stupid. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Yep true, still does not make the dude guilty of rape. A person being pissed is not enough reason. True she can do what she wants but when you have the state the judge and your law system support it thats my issuie. I think making any statement that says all people of "blah are blah" is stupid. However when you have a judge send a guy to jail for no other crime then laying about being Jewish to get laid. Then it becomes the countries policy and sure looks racists. agreed with every thing in the above quote, and no i have not seen all the talkbacks. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I thought that lying about being Jewish was itself criminal in Israel--regardless of whether the reasons for telling such a lie have anything to do with sex or not. Although I might not fully agree with such a law, I do understand why Israel, given its history as a nation, might find it necessary to have such a law on the books. And I would think that any time you commit another crime to obtain sex, that surely must be considered rape. So the legal reasoning here does make some sense actually. It's not so much that he lied to obtain sex--it's that he committed a crime under Israeli law to obtain sex. would a jewish guy be prosecuted if he lied to an arab woman to get her into bed? nope, he'd get rocks thrown at him until he was dead. of course, only if the arabs could get a hold enough rocks tough.. so you're saying all arabs are bloodthirsty animals. (but not the jews) That’s kind of the premise of all there arguments. They start from that view point and then move from there. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Again I would not like being lied too. Agreed there. But I am not sure I would want to be friends with anyone whose criteria for friendship has to do with religion, or race. Yep and a woman/Man who overrides all other factors of attraction with the persons race, or religion is a racist. She had already decided to fuck the guy right. There is no mention of force or threats. She decided hey I want to fuck him, and the only reason she changed her mind and now calls it rape is that he is not Jewish. Again this is the very definition or racism. I don’t even know why you’re arguing with me on this. Yep agreed. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Are you high? If i say were freinds and then say were not just because your a jewish thats not racism? This is the definition of racism. You like someone enough to fuck them but when you find out their not your religion you call it rape? Yep he is an ass hole. Agreed he lied to get pussy. Now I can understand not wanting to be lied to, but it says a lot more about her when her only issue is that he lied about being Jewish don’t you think? I find it sad that you need compare your countries laws to such horrors in an attempted to not acknowledge the truth. I don’t represent all “evil Muslims” Ori, and don’t know of anyone who has killed there daughters. As a matter of fact everyone in my family the woman have a higher education then most of the guys. So how about you stay on subject and tell me why you feel the need to protect someone who sole decision process went from. WOW I want to fuck that guy, to oh he is not Jewish he should go to jail. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

It couldn’t possibly be just that she is a racisist that’s just not possible it has to be some how the Arab guys fault. Where have I seen this type of mentality before. OH from every Israeli supporter on here. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

So she had no problem fucking the dude when she thought she was a fellow Jew but cried rape when she found out the guy was not Jewish............... Sadly it doesn’t surprise me one bit we are talking about Israel. Reminds me of Racist people we have here who have no issue with their daughters going out on dates as long as it ain’t no Nigger. Ignorance its everywhere. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

But thats what BP stands for. Yep true. I don't think any one thinks it was an attack ordered by the Queen. However it doesn’t change the devastation that has been caused. However I don't know of anyone who looks at this tragedy and thinks FUCK THE BIRTISH. Everyone I know including myself think it was a preventable accident that now needs to be fixed. The biggest issue is that BP was the worst violator of safety standards by a long shot compared to anyone else. That is part of where the anger comes for. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Lets see BP had more then 200 times the violations of the next worst Oil Company, and their negligence has caused a part of our environment to be destroyed. U can let it become a British thing for you however you want to look at it (not the way I look at it) but the one thing I am sure of is BP needs to pay for and be held responcible for thier negligence. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Yeah but its easy for you Darius, you came from a country that does not have any homosexuals. oH THATS RIGHT FYI there is that quote pasted to a plastic frog on my desk (from my GF). I think it was the #2 stupedest quote of 2009 on some list. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I disagree with Jim, but it is NOT hate speech. If he was not advocating violence then i don't see it as hate speech. I think even hate speech should be allowed. Its still speech its the listener job not to break the law and follow trough. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Oh yes the alcohol............For some reason I just thought food and forgot the very expansive bottles of wine. Did it work, did they get your business? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

WTF. Was it Persian caviar with grilled bald eagle? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I think I am way old school. I love it when someone offers to pay half. I think it shows good character. However I cant remember taking someone up on it. I rather not take someone out if I cant pay (on a date). I don’t expect anything back either I don’t look at it as I am buying you. I just think dudes pay or stay the fuck home or find something cheeper to do. The main things is to see if you like each other and have chemistry to move forward. For the record i am in no way rich.......and now we know why LOL I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Dude That was funny. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Wow after reading your responses I see I have waisted my time, and honestly you have wasted ours. If you are not going to use logic for you decision making then why debate? If you want to say your right regardless of the facts then just go believe in your mind that your right. They’re no argument with anyone who constantly changes their standards to fit their view of the world. What was the reason for the war in Iraq? You said “We were needed there” That’s why the people were begging us not to bomb them right? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

It will get worst because the bottom line is usally resources. You know I wish we just let people do what they want as long as they leave others alone. Problems usually happen when one trys to force their view on others, or if one person wants to get someone else’s candy. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I don't think the native Americans made a choice they didn't have one. Its usally the bully (the person with the power and lack of morals) who wins. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I think your avoiding the question because you know it will prove a fault in your logic, or maybe i was not clear. will try again. Why did we start the war? If you recall there was no talibon or alqueyda there before we started. You cant just jump on in one operation and say “we are trying to take that street” Why are you trying to take that’s street? Why are you there in the first place? So how do you justify that and all the violence and destruction that has come from that war? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

what’s our honorable primary Target in Iraq that justifies murder? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

To Bolas: Just adding on to bills post. If you decide to start a war or an operation and you know there will be collateral damage (inocent people killed) and you decide go head does that excuse the blame? You’re simply justifying the death of inocent people to achieve a goal. The difference is nothing but perspective. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I think most do, but thats not news worthy. Also not all groups that we consider terrorist are viewed in the same manner. The definition of terrorist and insurgents means different things to different people. There are people regular everyday people who are not violent but feel that’s the only language the west will understand. You have look at the history of involvement we , the USSR, The UK, and the French have had. These western countries have basically done every thing to get what they want cheap regardless of what it meant for the actual people living in these countries. So people who would not hurt a fly will support the groups who are fighting the west. They view it as pay back and it is along time coming. I would also add that the foundation of Islam does have something to do with it as well. However I don’t see it as a fault. Islam is very strong on Justice, and not as big on forgiveness. We simply do not believe in turning the other cheek its not our way. To forget and forgive is not viewed as strength but weakness. It is also viewed that when you are meek you become an enabler for evil to occur so you must fight back. Thats my POV on it. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I think any absolute way of thinking is bad, and religions tend to present them selves as absolute. Back tp Islam being violent: That shows a huge lack of vision. There is more blood on Christian hands then any consider history, and even now how many Muslims have died in Iraq? You might think that’s unrelated but its not. It is just the latest example of the actions we take that cause hate. Now for some the motivation is Jesus and you cant deny the huge presence of Christianity in are armed forces. The other motive is the true god of most Money. Neither should be use to justify murder IMO. It is an extremely simplistic view to think the violence is motivated by Islam and Islam only. Islam is a tool to rally the people but the motivation is often provided by our actions. I also think you tend to excuse hundreds of thousand of deaths caused by us. If one Muslim destroys a home in the US and kills two people it must be Muslims are violent but if we drop a bomb that kills a bunch of inocent people in Iraq you don’t seem to judge is as harshly. Why is that? I am keeping in mind that there are groups on all sides that are violent and hell bent on destruction. However if we want to talk about the minorities and discuss them we will be here all day as there are always exceptions. All religions are intolerant. Its just many people consider themselves Christians don’t really live the Christian values or live biblically, most don’t even know what that means. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain