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Less Lethal you mean you die just a bit?????? or do you mean Non lethal which if they would have used there wouldn;t be peopel dead now would it. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

And once again if it is just humanitarian supplies will you say wow your right Israel was wrong or will you blindly twist and turn the truth to protect your side? Again the reason I bring this up is I don’t see you guys as reasonable, you all seem to excuse all the laws of the land when it comes to Israel and constantly change your standards of right or wrong. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

If I do will you change your mind? I am sick of bringing reasons that you guys claim are important or laws that you claim matter only to have you backpedal and change your set of standards. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Why are you even attempting to try to explain how Israelis actions were criminal to people who excuse all reason, logic, international law, humanitarian law, and the UN whenever it is convenient ? Israel did not even allow cloths to be sent until recently. Is there any more indication that they view the Palestinians as less then humane? Why should they mind they get the food and water that is provided by there enemy. they should be happy and the world should just take Israelis word for it. I mean you guys defending Israeli on this one do you even take your self seriously r or you just playing to protect your side? seriously when did Israeli become judge jury and executioner?(oh wait it has been ding that for 60 years) Does Israel have to obied by any laws ? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Oh I can see that for sure. That’s kind of the same reason I thought maybe that would effect someone’s willingness to sacrifice themselves. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

-7" will be fine LOL I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I have read the bill twice. I never saw any language in it where they are required to pull every one over that fits a discription under threat of suit. That is just a BS terror tactic to sway the uninformed to your way of thinking. There is explicit language in the bill to say you cant do that. That’s why I am lost at these guys. Also the AZ bill is writen just like the fed. law. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

For the record i want 72 porn stars I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I don’t man. Not at all. One was fueled by the idea that a race is better then others, and the other is about enforcing the law the same law that every other country enforces. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have boarders or to kick out people who have entered your country illegally. It is done by all I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Good point ! Would an atheist ever risk his/her life for the greater good of mankind? Or when it comes to the ultimate sacrifice it is simply a sacrifice they would not make for anyone? Just curios. Yep and i think all goverment leaders are guilty of this to a certine degree. I agree with every thing else you said. Rational arguments my good sir. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

You know I can see where you are coming from. You think hey you (the Arab nations) tried to fuck me and I was stronger so they got fucked instead deal with it. I can agree with that. That’s the way the world works. I might be thinking a little bit Disney like my self on this issue. I guess the satiation sucks. I hate to see people suffer and apart of me feel a kid born in Gaza has zero chance at getting anywhere in life, and many chances to develop hate. Is it fair no but what is. I think they have every right to feel like they got screwed. It was land they were living on that was given away by the UN. The reason they are mad at the Israelis is they are the ones who benefited from this decision, and they were the ones they could retaliate against. But like I said before I think this is a land dispute pullulated by religion on both sides. If Israel would have lost? I don’t think they would have let that happen, and by they I mean the powers of the world at the time. This is after everyone had found out that the horrible stories about the camps were true and even worst then anyone had ever imagined. I just don’t think the world would sit still again and watch a bunch of people get massacred. I think your right there would have been a huge loss of life and a lot of it would have been inocent lives lost. That would have been horrible. Such a complicated issuie I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Or just require them to wear some sort of symbol on their clothing. A yellow Magen David or pink triangle . . . wait . . . wrong group, wrong century. WOW Do you have a picture of President Obama with a Hitler mustache?????????? You just put your self in the same mental group as people who do in my book. Sorry to see that. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

OK, let's say you're walking down a public street in the US (not driving a motor vehicle, which requires a license) and are stopped and asked to prove your citizenship. But dang, you left your wallet, with your Official Government-issued Citizenship Card and your driver's license at home. Solely for that, you're arrested and taken down to the police station. If you don't have a problem with that, then you're willing to live in a different United States of America than I am. I have no idea what you claim to have debunked. I must have missed it sorry. I read the law and the portion which states that the person must have committed another crime. You CAN NOT just go up to someone "who is walking down the street" and ask are you a citizen or not? Now if they snatched a purse and you grab them then yes you can ask. Show me your debunk? give me the link, or an idea of what your talking about. I think the last part of your paragraph kind of separates us. I trust that most police are smart enough to know who to be suspicious of, and guess what if they make a mistake they haven’t shot you. You just need your papers which you should have somewhere. For me a minor inconvenience is worth enforcing the law and making my country stronger. Specilly when the law makes sense. Did you know I have to have license on me when I drive? Its really hard but I manage to do it. Some Dropzones even want to see your USPA card I have that too. I think you guys are just looking for bullshit reasons make your self feel better. I mean seriously do you have any idea what every other country in the world does? How hard do you think Mexico guards their southern boarder? What’s your solution? Do you understand that it is illegal to be here illegally? What should you do about the people who brake the law? And the America I am aware of is a country of laws, not a Disney cartoon. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I just disagree with you. I feel like there are actual reasons why people feel the hate. I don’t think the hate would exists just if they had religion, however I do believe the hate would be there if the actions still occurred and the people were atheists. I think it is humane reaction to not like or wish to retaliate against people who have hurt you or your loved ones. yep at times i wish we did. It is also that when we have gotten involved the reasons are not exactly honorable. It is usually because we need something and the honorable reasons are often just a cover so we can feel like were doing the right thing. I think it might be different on a case by case basis. If a kid sees his dad get killed by an IDF he is not going to care about what is happening other then that person killed my dad. When you add that environment and groups set in place who use such events as reasons for recruitment I can see why a kid might join HAMAS. Is that the smart choice no but if that’s what you’re exposed to your whole life then chances are most of us would make the same choice. People are as good as their options. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

In Large part yes. I am not going nit pick and bring examples where people of other faiths have killed others for not believing as they do. They are the minority. So yes i will say you are right for the most part. Well thats a good word. so yes i agree with you again ANY facisthas the same idea of be one of us or die. Can not be tolarated. So yes i agree. If you would have said All arabs instead of "islamofacists" i would not. I disagree with you on this 100%. To me it is a land dispute that’s polluted by religion on both sides, not the other way around. Not all Palestinians our islamofacists. They get treated like crap by the IDF, the IDF methods or MASSAD whatever form of them you wish to speak of are known world wide for their cruelty. They are oppressed people in my book, and they are people who have been squeezed of there land. True, do you think there feeling is unresonable? If i were them i would feel like i got screwed who wouldn't? They are too weak to fight Israel, I mean there is no comparisons in military might. Off course they want different things that’s why there is a dispute. But I would also remind you that we are not just talking about the Palestinians on this thread and you should not group up all Arabs, or all Muslims, or all of anyone. When you do you share the same mind set just on the other side. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Well before they (The police) were simply not allowed to ask about the immigration status of anyone. If you read the law as you stated then you know that the law clearly states that the police can only ask about someone’s immigration statues if they have already broken the law. That means Police can not pull you over because you’re brown. However if you do something that requires there attention then they are allowed to ask about your immigration status. That makes sense to me. Every time I have traveled to another country I was told I should have my passport on me. What’s the solution? How would you enforce the law. Again I am assuming you are rational and already understand that we can not let people in the country just because they feel like it. We have to have records and a filter LIKE ALL OTHER COUNTRIES. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

REALLY so if someone drops a bomb that kills everyone you love you must be crazy to hate the people who did it, or religios? There is no other reason??????????? Lets see in my mind there are so many things in-between killing thousands of people for lies, or giving them government handouts. Honestly do you have any things to say that’s not a knee-jerk reaction? Its not always all or nothing you do realize that right ? How did someone become an extremist? Thats the point WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHH What makes the person so full of hate? Some of you are trying to say it’s just a Muslim thing. That only proves to me you have no clue what you’re talking about. EVERY religion has contradiction in it. Some times talking about forgiveness and other times talking about killing someone for eating meat on Friday. The point is what makes people extremists is not some mystery or a magic spell. Its the conditions they live, and the suffering they have had to endure. If you had a part of making people suffer then guess what there not going to like you . I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

This is another one of those things that just has me shaking my head. We should enforce our laws simple as that. An open boarder which is the alternative to not enforcing our laws would make us a 3rd world country. I don’t know of any country that will allow anyone to go and come as they please without a record, or permission. AZ is just trying to solve a problem that the government has done nothing about. You simply can not have people coming and going as they wish without any record. I find it ridiculous that before we could not have asked “hey rapist guy who does not speak English or have any ID are you an American?” I think the inconvenience that it may cause some citizens is worth it. I mean if they get me and think I am illegal how hard is it for me to prove that I am not????????? A phone call to my girl friend to bring my documents, I think I can handle that. If I am here illegally then guess the term illegal means I have broken the law so therefore there is a punishment. Usually deportation. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I never said life was fair, or every one has to start on the same playing failed. They don’t never have and never will. However you do realize understanding the truth about life (that it is not fair and not a fairytale) also includes understanding why people react to certain things with hate or violence. To avoid or pretend our actions have zero effect and all the hate is because of Islam is disingenuous, and also breeds extremist mentalities that cause genocide. When ever you start painting people with abroad brush you dehumanize them and that is the first step in to justifying mass murder and genocide. I don’t approve of the many things that Muslims do, however I think the only way to solve a problem is to first state the facts clearly and justly. Edit to add: Sorry i missed this part. But that’s also wrong, the point is acknowledging the truths. It is more difficult to see what caused what then just to say its all our fault or all theirs, but it would be more accurate. What now? Good question. Personally I think right now we need to take care of our own, if I was running things I would concentrate on making us the power house we always were. As for the fight against terrorism simple. Leave the Middle Eastern countries, respect their wishes. They don’t want foreign bases on their land. That doesn’t seem like a crazy request to me. I think we would want the same. All we are doing right now is adding to the fire, if we stopped shooting and tried increasing the standard of living in problem areas there would be a significant drop in extremists views. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Here the ironic thing in all of your posts. You are so one sided and avoid all the facts that prove you are wrong or at least point that things are not as black and white as you wish it to be. You have more in common with suicide bombers and extremists then anyone who has posted. All Arabs “insert fuck up comment here”? I mean really ? do I need to finger paint for you so you understand you have the same mentality as the extremists you so hate? [ I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

That is the point THANK YOU. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

What are you 4? Simple questions. What would you the rational none extremist none Muslim want us to do if a country invaded us? What would you the very peaceful non barbaric Christian American do if Libya shot a cruse missile at an aspirin factory because they claimed we were making bombs? What would you do if another country told us to stop using a cretin technology that they already had because it was too powerful and we could no be trusted with it? Can you answer any of those honestly and yet at the same time condemn others for acting as we would? Seriously how does your brain work to be able to justify actions when we do them but immediately condemn the same actions when someone else does it? I don’t even get how that works. I really don't. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

FIRST-Its not about a blame game it is actual things that we have done that none of us would ever tolerate if it was done to us. SECOUND- Its about understanding that religion is a tool however the reasoning and the anger is because of our actions. You keep missing that FACT because its convenient to think there are bad guys who just are magically bad so they must die. No guilt no thought process I understand it makes things a lot easier for you to only view things in black and white but that’s not the case. THE POINT AGAIN. It’s not Islam it is unjustified actions that we have committed that make people hate us. Religion Islam much like Christianity is a tool used to unite people in a cause. Unfortunately when you do approach any thing in a black and white view things tend to go to extreme side of things. You still didn’t tell me what would we do if any country treated us like we do them. What would we do if they had warships on our shores, invade our country because they claim we have weapons that they already have, cruise missile attacks on aspirin factory because they said we were making bombs, I CAN GO ON AND ON AND ON, but what’s the point your brain might short circuit if you actually tried to understand someone’s else’s point of you. How does it feel when you cant even be honest with your self? You know what we would do, and you know the violance of action we would use but yet you excuse our actions, the very same actions that we would never tolaret and retaliat againts by violance. Really tell me what would the CHRISTIAN American people do if there was one warship 200 miles of Florida? Can you answere that? The reality is we would respond as we always do with violence, but when we do it you guys twist and turn to make it seem like it was holy, even when there is countless evidence that our actions have cost many many inocent lives. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

What is your opinion of people who justify false wars that cost millions of (brown) lives and destroys nations just so they don't have to pay $5.00 a gallon for gas to fill there SUV? These are the same people who have it better then 90% of the world. The reality is you guys are clueless or way too ready to unjustly excuse all of our actions that have caused the hate. religion or extremist in general will always exists however you help grow the numbers when you supply them with enough real reasons for hate. Like killing people families As always the hard questions are avoided by the OP. What would we do if any country treat us or interfered with our nation the way we do with others? WAKEUP greed, and consumption is our countries extrem religion with its own terrorists and what has driven so much of our policies. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Whats worst if i keep telling you i am going to fuck you in the ass but dont or if i say i am your friend and here to help but fuck you in the ass? I don’t get the disconnect really. Would you like another country to do us any of the things we have done to the Middle East in the past 60 years? Where is the disconnect really? How is that people cant seem to grasp the idea of do on to others as you want done to you. Why is that you can understand our rightful outrage if anyone decides to cross THE USA but when we do it to others there reaction or violent action surprised you? I am not listing all the events I am assuming you know all or at least enough of them to know where I am coming from. As for the Twin Towers, can we fucking rebuild already? Its embarrassing that we have not even started we should have finished it by now. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain