Darius11

I just can't spell ESL student i meant Certain I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Great article of a Dr who is really concerned about the PEOPLE who are hurt by this disease. From the article it didn’t sound like this guy is a corporate guy. This is how corp. work. We found a cure for aids. Great we can make one billion dollars but we lose 12 billion in annual sales not to mention lose all old and new customers. FUCK THE CURE That’s the way a corp. works, I simply don’t want that to be the case. That might seem funny to some but that’s where we are heading. And yes corp have no soul which is great for making money however not when it can cause humane disasters. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

oh i would also add the military to the list of health care. news, and prisons. Things that should not be using a corp. model. EVER I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

And certain people will say they should give that drug away because the people it will save. Those greedy bastards design a drug to save lives and then have the balls to actually charge for it! Yep and cretin people will say let only the ones who can afford it live and the others to die. The sad part is that’s ok with you as long as it doesn’t effect you or the people you love. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

More content yes, higher quality i do not agree. I don’t think a corporation will make ethical decisions over making profit if it came down to it. In the fields mentioned that can be a humane catastrophe. Much different then you not watching a comodian, or choosing a different restaurant because you didn’t like them. Tom When you go to a drs. You go because they are an expert and your not( or at least I am not a dr) So I go there trusting that he will do the right thing for my health not his pocket. His motivation should be his customer satisfaction. However if his profit becomes the only motive he might sacrifice what’s perfect for you for the money. Just think Drs get an incentive if they prescribe drug A. Now drug A might work for a patient but drug B has less side effects. I want my Dr to think what’s right for me and not what rights for his wallet. To know if he is making the right decision for me I have to trust him, because he is an expert in medicine and I am not. But if my expert that I trust is motivated only by cash………….that will cause problems. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

http://webreprints.djreprints.com/2017630549095.pdf http://webreprints.djreprints.com/2017630549095.pdf Is that working? No it says done but it is blank. I have adobe so i have no idea why its not working. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I have tried both links Tom i get a blank page. Again Tom you have sold your soul to your idealism. You can spin all you want but prisons for profit that imprison your fellow citizens and are motivated to keep them in the first place by a profit line is an issue for me. I don’t want laws put on or kept on the books so the prison corporation can make a buck. As for the news I think we would have much more factual news if it was not about ratings, and influenced by any thing other then the facts. I have to say what is annoying is talking to you guys and you pretend like you don’t see any of this shit. As if the news is so great, the prisons are not over following with nonviolent offenders? I don’t want profit to be the motivation of my Dr. when he sees me. I want him/her to be truthful and tell me what’s the best thing I need to do not what’s makes the most money for him. Seriously if you cant see the problem in drs making decisions like corp. I really can’t help you. You have already decided to pretend you profit knows best method applies to every thing in the universe. Like I said idealism is great if we lived in a black and white world. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

It is when trumps Humanity, integrity, and ethics especially when the specific things being mentioned here require Humanity, integrity, and ethics. If you had a dr. who told you hey only thing I care about is making money you have no problem with that? What about the police department? And the NEWS who can say that’s worked for the better? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

His job is to make you laugh, if you don’t think he is funny you don’t buy his tickets. When corporations run our prisons, then I can be arrested for a stupid law that’s only kept on the books because this corporation makes billions of dollars on it. The marijuana laws a great example of this. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Seriously none of you can find any problem with the news, healthcare, and prisons to be only motivated by a corporation who ONLY cares about making profit. Is it cheaper to let people go for none violent crimes or keep them in jail? Well for the corporation a loss of inmates is a loss of profit. The goal of a corporation is to increase sells every year. Are you guys following this? Same with Health care, if it is about profit there is no money in a cure, the money is in the drugs that keep you alive. If they find a cure or a vaccine for AIDS for example they lose all the money they make on the drugs that keep you alive. Your telling me with the motivation of it being only money the corporation will do what’s right. I think we have seen whats right = what makes more money in a corp eye. The only thing that matters is the profit thats the way corp. work. NEWS: Who thinks the news has any integrity left? Lets brake away from this news about our troops so we can tell you Brittany has got a hair cut. You guys really don’t see that caring for only profit is not the only way to be successful especially in things that require integrity. No one sees any of this as a problem? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIPLjm6iLkw I think he is right on point: Go to 2:05. I was going to try top write something about this but he coverd every thing i wanted to say. Health care News Prisons. I think he is right on point. Some times its not all about the money. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

If they are going to get paid the same money as any other insurance why wouldn’t they take it? Last I checked Doctors take an oath to care about humane life. If they want to use people’s health as a bargaining chip I suggest they get a new job. Stock borker maybe?????? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Not to mention more blacks end up in jail for committing the same crime that whites get probation for. To deny the disproportion is ludicrous. The cause of the unfair treatment is however more related to money then I think any thing else. I think rich white guys get away with shit because there rich, I am not sure if the white, guy part has that much to do with it. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I have already answered all your other questions you just don’t seem to want to get it. As for this one. Again I’ll try one more time. There are many things that I consider optional. Like having a cell phone, what type of car you drive if any, and many other products. So what happens when you can not afford a cell phone?……….. Simple you don’t get one What happens when you cant afford to get a TV?…………..Simple you don’t get one. Now by not getting these things your health is not effected. However if you don’t get health care you might die. Now if you can not see the difference between that you seriously have some issues. Health is not another product, or at least should not be. If you don’t have health you get sick, and you can die. It sad that I have to repeat this 80 fucking times for you to get it, but let me guess your next post is going to want to see my personal tax return? WOW that’s all I can say is WOW. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Do you pay federal taxes? Yes i never knew that i had the option not too. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Wow ok so I am not writing in chines, some people actually do get what I am trying to say. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Who defines your share? I think the same way all other contributions are determined. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I agree with your idealism however I am learning that idealism does not necessary transfer well to the real world. I like the idea however I think there are exception to that rule and every rule. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I can afford to be taxed for it. Thats what you don;t get. I am more then happy to pay my share. Are you missing that again and again after its been pointed oput to you even by others. I mean god man read. Honestly if you can not see the difference between making money on selling a chair or a car to making money on someone’s cancer then we are not even on the same planet of morals. I can see someone not getting a car if they don't have the money but last I checked getting sick was not an optional decision. If you don’t get that then I honestly don’t know what to tell you. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

No. But it sure effects how you deal with it. A responsible person plans for contingencies, carries insurance, and makes sure they have a financial cushion to deal with emergencies. Being prepared for an illness is part of being a responsible person. True if you are capable of it great, I just don’t like the part where if you are not capable of it then fuck you die, or wait till you are so sick it is an emergency. That’s the part I don’t like. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

+1 You mean each of us have to make our own roads, schools, and such? How about the defense of the boarders? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

You know what I keep on finding out more and more. They’re all fucking thieves, and there ALL full of shit. Right, left all of them suck. I think we need a lobby for the people without lobbies. I think that’s a good idea. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

This thread is the first time I can remember seeing him and you don’t make a good impression when you try to tell people what there saying or attempted to read there mind, or assume you know there financial situation. I call a spade a spade and have been for the many years I have been here. You talk to me like an adult who is actually having a debate and I will treat you the same. Talk to me with BS spin and I don’t have time for your dumb shit. It depends. If the 40% will become homeless or go Hungary if they pay the tax no its not unfair. It would be unfair to make them pay a tax that would jeopardize their survival. Many corporation don’t pay their fair taxes because of loopholes in the tax law and the amount of money the spend on lawyers specifically so they don’t pay their fair share of taxes. Do you think its fair for a big corporation or a highly paid CEO to pay less taxes because he has the ability to hire people who help him to go around the system? Again this is personal opinion of mine that out of all the things we get taxed for; Healthcare is one of the things that I can understand and would not mind. The others fuck that a whole lot of other threads. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Yes, the individual's right to liberty, justice, and the pursuit of happiness. That comes with a price, called personal responsibility. IMO, the arguments here are revolving around what should be personal responsibility and what our government can impose on us. Personal responsibility. Does that always effect getting sick? Last I checked skinny people who work out and take care of themselves get sick, smokers get sick, so do none smokers. Fucking kids get sick as well. You can be responsible, as you want there is no guarantees. So what happens when someone can’t afford the medicine or procedures that might be needed to get well? Personal responsibility is great when things are in your control it means nothing when they are not. Trying to bring personal responsibility in this debate is basically saying pe0ple who get sick somehow are responsible. I understand that might be the case in some cases but we really don’t know, and there are many cases where you have no control. As I said before getting sick is like a natural disaster that effects one family. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain