Darius11

People who know me on here know that i am no supporter of Bush, but to say this economic claimant is his fault and his only is incorrect. The problem started with regulation and allowing people who normally would not receive loans to receive them. You can thank Barny Frank for that. It was a government initiative so every American no matter how poor could someday own a home that fucked all of us. There are a lot of great sweet ideas yet they do not work with the human condition. We should never hand out but provide opportunities for people to do for them selves. That's what we are about. When we do not follow our DNA we have huge collapses like we have now. The war obviously is a huge expanse as well we can blame that on GWB and i do. But lets keep every thing in prospective. We all might disagree but the one thing we can agree on is we love our country and we want to succeed. The way we do that is remaining factual and honest about the causes and effects we have seen. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

There you go talking about facts again. Don’t you know facts are only accepted by some only when it agrees with them. Or else your facts must be wrong, or not important this time. It is hard to have a legitimate debate with hypocrites. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Not if your opponent’s goal is for you to change who you are and what you stand for. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Well that’s a convenient belief. Convenient because you don’t have to deal with years of history, and questionable actions we have takin that just might warrant hate. To solve an issue you at first need to understand the cause. Seriously I know most seem to want to make this a movie of guys in white hats, and black hats but it is not that simple. Life is not a movie. Terrorist terrorize that’s their goal. To use fear to get what they want. Simple as that. So some believe as you stated your self that they want to destroy our way of life our freedom (which is bullshit in MO but just to make the point)? Your solution is we can do that to our selves? Because of fear? Oh nooo my baby might get hurt welcome to the real world man, A lot of people have been hurt, killed, tortured and a lot more for a lot less and some times by our hands for unjust reasons. You will never be safe specially when your focus is on paranoia. I rathere be free then safe. If you want to be truly safe live in a bubble and hope it doesn’t brake. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

That’s just needs to be said again. It seems we live in a reverse universe. To send our troops to die for nothing blindly is patriotic and supporting them, yet if you fight so they don’t go to war you’re a pussy who hates the troops. It is crazy how fucked up moral compass’ have gotten, but guess what people might die, and we will not be able to have full control. That’s the price of freedom, and if a few of us die suck it up cupcake! in our history many people have given there lives for what we stand for why should we be the generation that lets fear win? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFIKPGVTwEY "Poison - Every Rose Has Its Thorn " easy song, and i think a great one I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Love that movie wathced it again last night.

each is monochromatic, together, we make a rainbow... I just read this I needed that today. Can i be blue?

How can they govern themselves when the government they wanted gets exiled, not recognized, and blockaded? does that make any sense? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Its not just a feeling in my gut it as international law. Like i said before it seems people want to wiggle and twist the laws to their convenience. So i might feel sorry for the Palestinians as i see them as the oppressed and the weak, but i also can easily factually see the international laws that have been repeatedly violated. I can see that if it was not for the US vetoing every thing the UN has ever tried to do Israeli might be much more restricted or would have to compromise, i can see the capability of HAMAS and the IDF. Again this is like Tyson beating up a baby and there are people cheering for mike. I just don't get it. I know you have not said kill them all. You show great restraint considering where you are. However you commented on my post about people who form opinion because of episodes of 24. Basically your making my point. You who are directly effected by what is going on can understand how these statements are ignorant but people who have never experienced or lived on location seem to think they know enough to justify genocide. Again that's was my point. The people making blanket statement should SHUT THE FUCK UP and read a book or go travel a bit and maybe even learn something. No matter hwat we will never agree. I hope you stay safe and they all some day find justice and peace. We have snow i think i am making chilli. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Not in numbers but In philosophy they are the same. The idea that a group is better or is entitled to something because of there religion or race and others are not, the practise of segregation, no respect for international laws, GAZA is basically a prison colony. Just look at a check point at 3am while the Palestinians are waiting to cross over so they can do the jobs that the Israelis don't want to. its like a slave colony. I say in some ways in the crushing of the humane spirit it is even worst. 60 years that's a life time of dealing with injustice. i honestly don't know how one could not lose their mind. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I agree that i don't know as much as people who have been living in Israel, and Gaza. However i feel i understand the culture much better then someone who has never lived in the Middle East and have been exposed to more sources for information then what is available in the US (not saying they have more facts they just show the other side). This is a subject i have spent a great amount of time on it is mainly because i can't believe it is happening over and over. In my opinion there was a huge injustice done to the Palestinians. We have goon back and froth about who started what and when. We just disagree. I would never wish harm on you or the Israeli people. I would never make or have made a blanket statement "lets kill them all". I find these statements are made by fools who view themselves as geniuses. However if you are going to use a standard to justify right and wrong you must apply that standard equally to all. When you change and apply different standards depending on who committed the act we have hypocrisy. Also as i have mentioned before the media here is a joke and has always been a joke when it comes to Israeli. The Israeli news papers printed in Israel are less bias. I have yet to see one person on here say HAMAS is doing a great job, or kill all the Israelis. Yet you see that said often on the other side. I have yet to see one person say it is ok that hamas is killing civilians, all we acknowledge is the fact that they are mush less capable and less sophisticated then the IDF. Yet all you hear is excuse after excuse when the IDF violats rules of war. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

That's whats most disturbing the hypocrisy and the wiggling some do to justify all the violations of international laws Israel has repeatedly committed. I am sure there were people making excuses for the Nazi party at a time as well. This is a classic case of the abused child growing up to abuse children maybe they didn't get to therapy soon enough. What ever the cause it is a sad case for all. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Well Ori. I have lived about half my life in the Middle East and half my life in the west. i didn't go site seeing i actually lived their and experienced the different cultures. I have a bunch of trips here and there but i can't really count the one week here or there as you doin't get much of the culture. What i find amazing and what i was commenting on is something i have noticed. Most people who have experienced a different culture and had a chance to reside in it for a while realize the same thing. That most of us are the same, we want the same things. I have always mentioned this it was refreshing to see some on else actually understand it as well. The people who do are usually people who have actually resided in another culture. The people who have not tend to think some people are so different and they are so much better. We have so many on here who want to paint some people as naturally born violent to me that is nothing more then ignorance. Most of us are a product of our experiences, and our environment. As for Gaza or Israeli some how i get the feeling i would not be allowed to enter. I know a few American born Christian visitors who had 12-18 hr interviewees before they were allowed to enter. I know i can not enter with my Iranian passport, and even my US passport 9i have had it for only 4 years) says i was born in Iran do you really think your government would allow me in? Israel is not a open country to Muslims or anyone who might show them in a negative light. They are very good at making sure no one sees what they truly stand for. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Its amazing when you base your opinion on actual experience and not episodes of 24. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Well when you constantly hear about the reason for war, and then its own administration years later admits that the reason that we were given (WMD)did not exist I call that a mistake. Now if Iraq becomes a democracy that’s great, but I don’t think our troops, our tax dollars, not to mention our prosperity should be risked to bring democracy to other countries. The reason war was justified was imminent threat. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

Being stubborn and impervious to facts is not really a virtue. Being able to admit a mistake and taking necessary action to correct it is. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

No I think we should teach English I do not believe we have the right to prohibit people from speaking any language they wish. To think we can is ..........stupid I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

You posts are nothing but rhetoric to stir the pot. You have stated that the Middle East should be turned in to a glass parking lot. You show in inability to feel for anyone who disagrees with you. You show an inability for any culture that you can not understand. You try to justify the death of children simply because there Muslims. It seems you forget that before we are a race, creed, or religion we are humane beings. Basically your posts would have more merit if you wroth BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH. Good luck with that. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

I agree. One thing I wonder however is why this guy is focusing on Arabic? We do have a much bigger issue in the Latino community don't we? I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

IRONY score... right off the scale Yea and you are just such a logical person which such great input I am sure your opinion means so much. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

That’s what happens when people make up their mind despite the facts. It’s unfortunate to say the least I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

the sad part was i had to read it twice to get what you were saying. I'll pretend i ment to say that I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

RANDY WHATS UP DUDE. Good to see you post

Sorry getting to this thread late. But honestly man in the US environment especially after 9-11 I have heard my share of some pretty ignorant shit around the bone fire. Most people can not tell where I am from. Just let it go, and also remember the guys sitting there saying something is just talking shit. Most of the people who do say some dumb shit are actually nice people. The only time I ever had to say something was when someone directly asked me how I felt about those damn sand niggers and towel heads. I just said well I happen to be one of them and just walked away. Next day he said sorry and I immediately excepted. There is a huge difference between someone who actually means harm or has hate then guys just talking shit. On a side note: The person I am talking about passedaway(none skydiving related) very shortly after this incident. I was very happy that every thing was immediately smoothed over. Him for being big enough to apologize and me for not holding a grudge shaking his hand and letting shit go. If skydiving teach us one thing its that life is way to short and unpredictable. I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain