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My turn Three things I dislike about this sport 1 Ignorant comments comming from some crackie 2 YOU 3 People dying Q. Why do birds sing? A. Because they dont have to pack when they land

Mrs.Meal has offered $35. Do I hear $40 from anyone? Going once, going twice... Q. Why do birds sing? A. Because they dont have to pack when they land

What are you talking about? I agreed with it? Here is your sign Q. Why do birds sing? A. Because they dont have to pack when they land

No one is forcing you to do anything? You can take actions, and those actions have consequences. One of those actions would be to have the integrity not to bitch about your 20 dollar lift ticket, while the DZO is busy trying to find a 50 thousand dollar engine for his broken down plane. Thanks for all your wisdon DougH, your knowledge should be an asset to this sport! Q. Why do birds sing? A. Because they dont have to pack when they land

Nah, Bill...apparently you don't get it. If there is an aircraft emergency, the logic of this thread dictates that: The pilot doesn't get paid (it's probably his fault, right?) Any wear incurred on the aircraft shouldn't matter, because the aircraft obviously didn't accomplish its designed purpose, therefore wear and tear cannot be counted. Fuel? Hell, it had to use fuel coming down as well as going up, and if the emergency was bad enough, a competent pilot would have cut off the fuel, so fuel costs don't matter either. I like to bill the DZ for busy loads when we've flown halfway around the world to get on a load, but can't because of 8 way teams keeping the planes loaded up. In case you missed the tongue sticking out of my cheek... shit happens, gang. Deal with it. Dropzones are a business, but show me one DZO getting rich in this business (Skyride nonsense discluded) vs DZO's that are in the game because they love it, want to be around it, and even get to jump occasionally. If shit happens and we happen to be there, do we help out as best we can or do we bitch about $20.00? I've easily spent 20 times that over the summer buying lunch for the entire DZ on a given weekend just because it helps keep us in the air, and it's fun to do. Yes, my choice, no one asked me to. Guess what? On an occasion or three, the appreciative DZO has handed me a jumpticket and I was grateful for it. But never expected it. whine and the world is full of whiners. Smile, the world is full of happy people. It's all in your perspective. shut up and jump.

Ditto Q. Why do birds sing? A. Because they dont have to pack when they land

I am, and would you like tp explain what the problem with that is VincentHitler? Q. Why do birds sing? A. Because they dont have to pack when they land

Obviously, are you telling me you dont pay a bit extra when they give you more? If you dont throw in a few bucks for extra altitude you are jewing them out of their money for the fuel costs Is this just a cry for attention? Please refrain from the continued use of this offensive slur. Ok what the heck, first of if you read back a bit it was someone else who used the word, secondly that was not in my post. Are you trying to get attention? Q. Why do birds sing? A. Because they dont have to pack when they land

Obviously, are you telling me you dont pay a bit extra when they give you more? If you dont throw in a few bucks for extra altitude you are screwing them out of their money for the fuel costs Q. Why do birds sing? A. Because they dont have to pack when they land

Good point, no need for that kind of behavour. Watch the language Kramer. Q. Why do birds sing? A. Because they dont have to pack when they land

Ok, lets try this again. Go back and actually reread my post. My point and explaination is still there. If you get it, good for you. If you don't, sorry I don't have time to hold your hand on this right now, I'm off to the DZ. Aggiedave, you're arguing with a dude whose avatar is someone plugging their ears and going 'lalalalala!'. No matter how hard you try, it's not going to get through. He is all worked up about telling me how I should spend my money and how I should pay for services I dont receive. I also admire his stab at me for only making 100 jumps a year and having other things to do with my time. I feel pretty down on myself now for not doing more jumps Calm down man, its only a few bucks, holy crap batman! Q. Why do birds sing? A. Because they dont have to pack when they land

Some people will pay for anything. I have this sweet magical rock in my yard, and would be will to let it go for this one time low price of $1000, let me know Q. Why do birds sing? A. Because they dont have to pack when they land

Sure you should pay for that spot. At our dropzone we make the call so it is our responsibility. But I didnt make the call to break the plane Q. Why do birds sing? A. Because they dont have to pack when they land

If I agree to get 13,500 and I get any less than that, by your rationale, I did not get what agreed to get and should not pay for it, I'm just quoting you here. Mark Klingelhoefer Read my post, it was the comparison of a hop and pop to a freefall skydive I was refering, not 500' differences. Are we even reading the same post? Thats nice! Q. Why do birds sing? A. Because they dont have to pack when they land

Ditto. In a car accident you should be thankful that you are not dead, and not worry about fixing the car or getting insurance information. Just be thankful you are not dead, dont worry about anything else! Wether the plane had problems because of neglect or whatever, just thankful u are not dead! Q. Why do birds sing? A. Because they dont have to pack when they land

So by this rationale, if you paid for 13,500 but only got 13,000 because of clouds, you would expect a full refund??? Mark Klingelhoefer I dunno about you and your dropzone, but we can usually get a freefall from 13k AGL, do you just do hop and pops from that altitude? Q. Why do birds sing? A. Because they dont have to pack when they land

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Dont get me wrong, I see your point and would pay the full ticket price, but I just dont like the idea that I should be forced to pay it. But I disagree with Aggie in that he would get all worked up about the extra $10-15 difference, its not a big deal Q. Why do birds sing? A. Because they dont have to pack when they land

Exactly, but AggieDave seems to want to get all worked up about it! Q. Why do birds sing? A. Because they dont have to pack when they land

Ok, lets try this again. Go back and actually reread my post. My point and explaination is still there. If you get it, good for you. If you don't, sorry I don't have time to hold your hand on this right now, I'm off to the DZ. So you are just going to run away from this discussion? If you cant beat them then "run forest run!" Q. Why do birds sing? A. Because they dont have to pack when they land

Go back and reread my post. I stated that the DZ either breaks even of makes up to $5 per fun jumper. So if the DZ was run like a traditional business the lift ticket prices would be about $60. So, please go back and reread my post fully if you'd like to discuss it. Ok so it should cost $60 per person but it doesnt and they still make $5 a person. So what is your point? The dropzone should make me pay for something I didnt get? Q. Why do birds sing? A. Because they dont have to pack when they land

Holy crap batman, $240 to take a cesna to 10K? Q. Why do birds sing? A. Because they dont have to pack when they land

So let me see if I understand you, if everyone were to disagree with YOUR view then there is something wrong with them?. Correct! Hey listen, I am selling my car for 10 grand, but I should sell it to you, becuase you would be so willing to probably pay 20 grand for it! Q. Why do birds sing? A. Because they dont have to pack when they land

Its not $5-7 bucks its more like $15+. What about if the plane broke because they were neglecting maintenance, would you still be opening up your wallet and throwing your money at them? Whatever happened to you get what you pay for? I have been bumped of many load to accommodate students so the dropzone can make their money. If a dropzone cant absorb the cost of the fuel because their service could not provide then maybe they should think twice. Q. Why do birds sing? A. Because they dont have to pack when they land

If I pay for full altitude because i want to have a freefall then thats what i have payed for, not a hop and pop. Everyone who thinks differently, there is something wrong with you. If you went into a burger place and ordered a burger and they only gave you a bun with nothing in it because their grill broke, would you still pay for the just the bun? Use your heads here, you have payed for a freefall and didnt get one, and were forced to do a hop and pop. You should get what you agreed to get. Q. Why do birds sing? A. Because they dont have to pack when they land