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I might have as well, but I doubt it would have. My guess would have been: "asshole burns flag at VFW - flag has great personal/sentimental meaning to members - members track down guy, inform police, who might possibly make an arrest - asshole gets no jail time and minimal probation and court requires asshole to make minimal restitution to VFW, which he never does". I can't blame them for keeping it out of the courts.

What you're describing is a criminal problem, not a gun problem. How hard is it to see that?

Would if I could.

I think Bush has ended up taking alot of economic blame that should rest solely with the fed, but it doesn't really make any difference now. I'll agree that it's tough to determine which party is more at fault, but in all honestly, I don't think it really matters anymore. Arguing about it just keeps the attention away from the fact that nothing's changed. Anyway, to stay on the topic, the "Obama lie" that annoys me the most is this one: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/promise/234/allow-five-days-of-public-comment-before-signing-b/ He's not only not done what he said he was going to do, he's done the exact opposite.

Where'd you get "re-elect" bush from that? You really hunting that hard for an insult? More of your "data"?

Can't ignore the fact that without the Bush lies we wouldn't be hearing the Obama lies. Not saying it's all Bush's fault. Just saying that if Bush had actually done what he campaigned on and not been such a fuck-up, Obama probably wouldn't have been elected.

Can't ignore the fact that without the Bush lies we wouldn't be hearing the Obama lies.

I agree - killing the economy is that fastest way to do that.

Fixed it for you.

Really? Wow, I consider #92 not so good. http://skeptically.org/economics/id21.html Agreed, but since corporations run the country, politicians are affraid to buck them. Well_it_does_balance_the_scales_a_little_bit. So the quality of life win't be better after HC reform? Going to the doctor is overrated. Capitalism has "allowed" teh innovation of all kinds of scams. American Capitalism is a giant ponzi scheme. So, more of your "facts and data" ?

Ah, some more of your "data" that you speak so highly of? You use the "compassion" argument for political gain, It's not about compassion, it's about control, you just don't have the nerve to admit it. People that really do care, the ones that really want to help people, they do it. They spend their own time and their own money to do so. They don't sit around bitching about selfish political parties, evil businessmen, etc., they just do it. It's pretty obvious you're more concerned about spending other people's money the way you think it should be spent rather than actually helping anyone.

Why do you always seem so happy that taxes will be going up? You like sending your check to the Govt? You always seem to smile when more taxes get mentioned. Why is that? You forget - taxes are for those evil people that have the audacity to work for a living. Those selfish bastards!

Don't let the door hit ya on the way out.

Data like this? To have the vile hatred toward poor people to want to deny them basic social svs under the guise of fairness requires the formation of mens rea, hence they cannot be autistic. If they were they would have an excuse for their depraved sense of humainity. Take it as what you want, but don't confuse unwilling with unable.

If I'm going to waste time arguing on the internet, I'm going to at least find someone I can have an actual conversation with. Lucky seems to like taking what you said, paraphrasing or interpreting it into his own view, and then arguing his point against his view of your point. In the end, it's just annoying. I'll spend my time elsewhere.

I don't know anything about you, but I already trust you more than 99% of the politicians out there. About 42% of americans probably do too! http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/august_2009/42_say_people_randomly_selected_from_phone_book_better_than_current_congress

I'll believe it when I see it. I often find that when people "want" to do something they have the ability to do and still don't do it, the reason is because they like the idea more than the act itself. "Skydiving? I've always wanted to do that...."

I'm not denying that the current republicans in congress haven't done it, they have, and it annoys me too. I'm less annoyed about it than other issues (like HC), because those things really don't effect me, but that's the nature of priorities. There is what I consider a small, but growing group of "true conservatives" that are running for offices in 2010. People like Peter Schiff, Rand Paul, etc.. These are the people I speak of when I say "true conservatives". I'm not referring to the "religious right", or the majority of the current "big government" conservatives that are out there. The fact is that these few people I speak of have to choose one of the two parties to run under, and they typically choose the republican party. Unfortunately, because of this they get grouped in with the rest of them and it comes out looking like I'm trying to defend the whole party when in reality I despise most of them. Thanks for that. It's nice to have an amicable response on here once in a while.

They're going to try to get it done ASAP, because they know that if they don't get it done before the 2010 elections it's never going to happen.

Except those aren't the options. The options are a war with a country AND a new healthcare bureaucracy so hideous that a good number of the president's own party wouldn't even vote for it. um, yeah. The patriot act, which Obama supports renewing, and the war on terror, which Obama is continuing... Amen. Yes, I, an individual, did lose in this election, as did every other individual in this country. Well, there might be some CEOs and Bankers that didn't, but most everyone lost. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/september_2009/health_care_reform Hmm.... not a neocon, and it seems you're wrong (about the majority agreeing with the democrats anyway). I respect people that earn my respect; the president has done nothing to earn that respect. The last one didn't either. And "mutiny"? Your expectation that people "follow orders" of an elected official is not only ridiculous, it's almost frightening. Keep running your mouth like that and you're going to get sent to the principal's office. I would rather see Obama fail before I like being able to make my own choices about health care, I don't like the idea of redistributing wealth, and I'd really like the dollar to have at least some purchasing power by the time he's out of office. If you spend more time reading and less time making harsh generalizations you'd know that. Unfortunately you seem to think arguing your point against your view of conservative ideals is somehow the same as arguing it against true conservative ideals, even if you're way off on your observations (which you are). Governments don't make countries great, people do. Not sure that anyone said they agree with neocon ideals. You really ought to start reading first. Translation: "You disagree with me, and therefore should be killed!". Nice, real nice. You make a statement implying that people who disagree should be killed and then gripe at people for being selfish? Seriously?

What's more compassionate, expecting people to work for a living, or enabling them to live off the government (ie. the work of others). ? Is that not the same as rewarding something you're trying to prevent? Seems counterproductive. How is that compassionate in any way? An yet another point that you miss. You really see what you want to see don't you? Given that we're 12,000,000,000,000 in the hole, I'd say it's a fair assumption. Well, the fed is printing money like it's going out of style, and they have politicians that can think of something other than spending more money - it appears that all of out politicians try to spend their way out of everything. I wouldn't expect you to. Had a good time playing Guitar Hero and enjoyed a bottle of Rogue Double Dead Guy Ale with my boss. How much was the cost of health care increasing before government got involved (medicare and medicaid). ? Weren't those programs created to solve the very problems we have now? Are you really that dense? By not infringing on the right of people to live their lives as they see fit, whether the decisions they make be positive or negative. Forcing my decision? If anyone's trying to force anything upon anyone, it's you. That's pretty obvious. You're confusing denying with not providing. Two completely different things, no matter how you rationalize it. So was personal responsibility. I'm wasting my time..... And this describes how Republicans are compassionate exactly how? Capitalism just means the market controls the means of production, the market is controlled by the elite, so this addresses this post in no way. Only 1. Some of the others were from Ayn Rand. The gold standard one was from Alan Greenspan of all people. Tell me, how is giving someone other peoples' money compassionate? How is enabling welfare dependency compassionate? "disadvantaged" is such a bullshit term. I don't give a fuck about people that don't give a fuck about themselves. I have no respect for people that seek approval by giving away other people's money.

I haven't the time at the moment (going to go drink some good beer with great friends), but here's a few quotes that I believe reflect my ideals, and I consider myself a conservative. "I believe in adequate defense at the coastline and nothing else. If a nation comes over here to fight, then we'll fight. The trouble with America is that when the dollar only earns 6 percent over here, then it gets restless and goes overseas to get 100 percent. Then the flag follows the dollar and the soldiers follow the flag." "In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation. ... This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists' tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights. If one grasps this, one has no difficulty in understanding the statists' antagonism toward the gold standard." "I believe in the dignity of labor, whether with head or hand; that the world owes no man a living but that it owes every man an opportunity to make a living. " "Charity is injurious unless it helps the recipient to become independent of it. " "Everyone has the right to make his own decision/s, but none has the right to force his decision on others." "In any compromise between good and evil, it is only evil that can profit." "Capitalism demands the best of every man – his rationality – and rewards him accordingly. It leaves every man free to choose the work he likes, to specialize in it, to trade his product for the products of others, and to go as far on the road of achievement as his ability and ambition will carry him." You get bonus points if you can name whom they are from.

You're just proving his point. Please, continue. And you're just cheerleading and/or adding nothing important. Repubs don't care about people in need, is that rerally up for consideration? Or is it that the Rpubs want to pave the way so once the indigent become millionaires then they will have a low tax base from which to operate? So you casting the entire party as uncaring, evil, etc.. is important? It's not "cheerleading"? Do you ever go back and read what you write?

I'm not a republican - nor do I support the party as it currently exists. Partisan bickering is exactly what they want - it keeps the focus off of the fact that all of them really, really suck at their jobs. Your unwillingness to cease blaming one party over the other is the perfect example of why things are the way they are. Do you really think blaming one party while continuing their actions is the solution?

You mean like the National Debt Ceiling established in the Second Liberty Bond Act of 1917? How many times have they voted not to raise the debt ceiling? Never? Tell me something, if a limit is always raised to the point that it's never reached, is it still a limit?