Hi cyberskydive I recently bought a Safire 139 (wing loading 1.3-1.35) and have only had about 10 jumps on it so far. I've just come back to skydiving after a long time off (circa 1990) so these are my first Zero P, nine cell rides after doing 800 odd jumps on 7-cell F111 canopies at 200-230sq ft. (wing loading 0.8-0.9). I think all of the replies to your post accurately describe my experience with the Safire so far - soft, on heading openings, rapid responsive turns that can quickly get you horizontal but stop on heading neatly without need for countersteer, very long and deep control range on toggles. I had one opening with line twists and the canopy was completely controllable without any of the nasty diving that I have heard about with fully ellipticals (Stiletto). This is a marketing point made by Icarus and it seems to be validated in practice. Of my meagre 10 jumps on the Safire I have had a disproportionate number of nil-wind landings (6) and must say that the ground speed (at least for me!) can be quite intimidating. However, I have managed a stand up landing every time after some long glides at quite deep toggle (approx 1 ft off the ground) followed by a little extra flare and a final step up and out - much like Landmissil described in an earlier post. Hard for me to comment any more on this type of landing as it is COMPLETELY different to landing my 7-cell FIII canopy. All up, I am very happy with my Safire so far - it has great performance but still manages to be very predictable. Whilst the toggle depth for flaring is a bit deep for my liking it is obviously very forgiving if an old turkey like me can pull off stand-up landings in nil winds! Cheers Chemical E654 Canberra, Australia