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The resistance had a piss-poor election day. This is a sign of weakening. I'm glad our administration isn't quite as stupid as Ted Kennedy -- they aren't thinking about pulling the troops out just yet, so relax -- the Iraqi security forces won't be on their own until they can handle the insurgency. AKA Viet Nam part II. Ya, glad the Commander in Chimp is so bright - just tell that to the poor families of those who died for nothing. Are you guys going to address whether and how the Iraqi police willhave a chance against the iraqi resistance? US soldiers are getting killed by the droves, so how is it they will do better with less? There will be a civil war with possibly 3 or 4 sides and total unreast. We have just consigned ourselves to permanent residency.

This is based on your firsthand knowledge of the situation? As far as the "I was merely saying . . .", you'd do well to say exactly what you mean the first time. This is Speaker's Corner, after all. - Jim This is based on your firsthand knowledge of the situation? So I have to be there in order to comment or have an idea of what is going on there? Mkay. This thread would then have

Back on topic - Poll: is george bush a murderer? Was Don Gotti a murderer? Same context, smaller scale with my example.....

WTF does that have to do with my statement? What kind of academic education do you want on what troops currently overseas are thinking? Oh, you're waiting for a 1st hand account from someone who supports your viewpoint. You'd take their word for it, but not GQ's. In reply to me saying your opinion of soldiers and cops is repugnant... So because you knew of a bad cop and went to school with some guys who became cops, ALL COPS AND SOLDIERS are overzealous bullies and only want rich people protected? Find me some "rich" cops and soldiers. Do you actually re-read what you write before you post this stuff? And since I said that attacking grammar and punctuation is the lamest kind of argument... He was speaking about education of a particular situation, not your degree, diploma, or test scores. At least that's how it read to me. And someone overseas with the men and women in the armed forces is absolutely more educated than you in what it is like to be there. Well, either way, it's been fun... but your arguments are just not making sense. Enjoy the rest of the thread! WTF does that have to do with my statement? What kind of academic education do you want on what troops currently overseas are thinking? Oh, you're waiting for a 1st hand account from someone who supports your viewpoint. You'd take their word for it, but not GQ's. Look at the above post to understand how the, "academic" issue was started, or better yet, review the thread. As for, a 1st hand account from someone who supports your viewpoint. I would rather debate these issues with people who have opposing, well-made arguments. So because you knew of a bad cop and went to school with some guys who became cops, ALL COPS AND SOLDIERS are overzealous bullies and only want rich people protected? Another massive set of misquotes. Can you find where I wrote anything about all ciops or military people.......? What I wrote was that they are generally conservtaive in nature, but that didn't work into your argument so you augmented it. Find me some "rich" cops and soldiers You missed the boat there too. No where did I wrote anything about the cops or militayr folks being rich, just that the cops protect the rich folks. Quit trying to revise my statements please. He was speaking about education of a particular situation, not your degree, diploma, or test scores. At least that's how it read to me. And someone overseas with the men and women in the armed forces is absolutely more educated than you in what it is like to be there. Now you're going to speak for him. I know what you're saying, that he is street-wise. The problem is that he immediately insisted we go read a book to educate ourselves of the matter over there. If he would have written something about living thru the war, that would be one thing, but he referenced academic education, which opened a new door - get it? BTW, I have served 15 months in Guam when I was a kid, so I know the deal even tho there was no war. Well, either way, it's been fun... but your arguments are just not making sense. Enjoy the rest of the thread! Back at ya

*** read a little closer, for once don't just see what you want to see, are you becoming so desperate knowing that you are losing an argument that you are going to call in the moderators to block someone to help your cause? i said myself it was an unfounded and stupid statement in an effort to show you how your own statement sounded, if you took it as a personal attack you may want to rethink saying you are thick skinned. now, commenting on my education, or lack thereof as you put it, that seems pretty personal to me. because i would rather type quick and get the message out than use big words to make myself sound more educated because my posts are full of hollow claims does that mean i'm uneducated? now ladies and gentleman i am stepping out of this argument what was a constructive discussion has turned into a pissing contest that will undoubtedly get people banned from SC if it continues, and i don't feel anything else good can come of this thread. i'll see you all in the next debate. Blues!! Uh, no. The part I was refering to was this: this though, calling all of us over aggressive. well then another unfounded generalization is that all people who think soldiers and cops are over agressive just feel that way because they are too utterly pathetic to accomplish the same. sounds stupid doesn't it? that's cause it is. re-think that last statement. "...they are too utterly pathetic ..." That was the personal attack. Again, I'm not offended, I just wanna play that way too, but they won't let me. I'm just hoping they police other people the way they police(d) me. You chopped my quote of yours to include just: well then another unfounded generalization / sounds stupid doesn't it? that's cause it is Again, I am thick-skinned, but if I am policed then I would hope others are too. now, commenting on my education, or lack thereof as you put it, that seems pretty personal to me. Well, you initiated the first educational remark by posting: Once again i ask everyone to open a textbook before they open their mouth. So how is it that you can complain about any remarks from there on? Furthermore, I posted: "As a closing statement, your reference to reading books is undermined by your general punctuation, syntax and overall grammar. Not attacking you or trying to be the spelling Nazi, I am a lazy ‘typer’ at times too, but I just find it odd." and: "I was just responding to your demand that others educate themselves. When people make those demands they open themselves up to the same criticism. Instead of vicariously calling everyone that doesn't agree with you, uneducated, why not make assertions and support them with your vast readings?" I didn't find where I supposedly wrote: ...commenting on my education, or lack thereof as you put it... Did I miss it, or is it another fabrication on your part? So you are going to misrepresent my statements and go....

*** hmm an inaccurate statement i feel as if i have seen these somewhere before, but from who?? those 1400 dead, a number of those soldiers were killed during the invasion, meaning killed by a trained military. and if you look at the numbers of how many each side usually loses in a fight, we are winning this war. if they can send 10 mortars into a compound without causing a single casualty and they lose ten in the process i wouldn't call that giving us the fight of our lives 1400 is a total of US losses. Some died intraining, some in battle, so during the overthrow, etc.... Don't forget the allied folks that died in combat after the overthrow. Anyway, 1400 dead heros are 1400 dead heros no matter how you clasify them. I was merely saying that the resistance is showing no signs of giving up and the Iraqi police will be no match for them once we leave. As for body count trade, we will generally win those. Hell, VN was 7:1 kill ratio, which still means 58k dead US kids

Yea, everyone knows liberals always get the short end of the stick on SC. Membership must really have its privileges.

Do you think that we're just planning on packing up and leaving tomorrow? We'll (or another overseer) be there for years, or longer if that's what it takes, monitoring, helping, guiding until there is a STABLE democracy in Iraq. - Jim You mean drag out long like Viet Nam - I agree. Thing is, early projections are for 2007, we all know it will be longer. This will be a drug-out ordeal like VN; can you assert otherwise? *** were you expecting another grenada? Who knows, but ethnocentric attitudes/actions don't work longrun. Well, maybe the American Indian prety much fell to it, but as far as other countries - no.

and you know about what kind of fight they are putting up how? we are rolling over them, i have never had an insurgent give me what i would call the fight of my life, most of them give up when they see what they are up against. even the iraqi police are holding their own against the insurgents. if you knew the amount of attacks that happened today, and compared them to the number of casualties, you'd see what i was talking about, these iraqis are starting to hold their own without us, they are a lot more ready than we give them credit for to take the lead on this Then the 1400+ dead US military members are just an offerring? I think for as ill-equipted as I assume they are, they have done well to hold off the US elite forces - not to mention the other allieds. Once the US is out, if ever, things will revert - post 1 instance the US has been involved in a matter like this where it didn't turn out that way when the US left.

just because cnn agrees with you doesn't make it right. I'm not saying that, I was referring to the same story being told from a different bias - comes off 180 out. also i'm not going to sit here and try and figure out that twisted propaganda you put out most of the time, reach down grab em and sound off with what youare saying, or is it that you can make no real argument and you just want to get your post numbers up OK, acquiescence noted.

Do you go through life wearing shit colored glasses? Is there anything that can make you happy? - Jim As I've said all along - it's the conservatives causing the crap here and then getting away with it.

Do you think that we're just planning on packing up and leaving tomorrow? We'll (or another overseer) be there for years, or longer if that's what it takes, monitoring, helping, guiding until there is a STABLE democracy in Iraq. - Jim You mean drag out long like Viet Nam - I agree. Thing is, early projections are for 2007, we all know it will be longer. This will be a drug-out ordeal like VN; can you assert otherwise?

Mommy, mommy! GW Jumper called me a bad name! Cry me a river. We've got moderators who will determine what is and what isn't a personal attack. Why don't you focus on the argument at hand? - Jim I would absolutley prefer to do it that way, and I formerly did, but then I was suspened for 2 weeks for it - we'll see how they handle it now..... I'm the most thick-skinned person I know, so it doesn't really offend me one bit - I just don't like the double standard.

people who think soldiers and cops are over agressive just feel that way because they are too utterly pathetic to accomplish the same. This is a personal attack.

First, if I'm not mistaken, he is over there so he has a much more "educated" position on the subject of what the troops might be thinking than you do. Second, your generalization of cops and soldiers is repugnant. You must really know a lot of them to know that they are all bullies and so overzealous. I wonder what they think about your opinion of them? You responded to him asking people to educate themselves about a situation, which I'll remind you again, that he seems to have 1st hand knowledge about, with a slam at his punctuation and grammar. That is the lamest type of argument I've seen on message boards like this. George Bush is not a murderer, if you think so... just say it. Explain it. Argue about it. But please, think about what you post, and who you're arguing with. Sometimes, they MAY know more than you about something... and they probably don't care how they spell it or punctuate it. First, if I'm not mistaken, he is over there so he has a much more "educated" position on the subject of what the troops might be thinking than you do. Maybe a street-educated version, but not academic. Also, how many cops or military folks vote Dem? There is a huge bias with military members and cops - very conservative. Second, your generalization of cops and soldiers is repugnant. OK, but is it incorrect? I was the neighbor of the famous murdering cop here in Chandler, Arizona and I went to community college then ASU with some of the same, so I know how they love the Constitution and think every rich person should have those rights protected. I wonder what they think about your opinion of them? Doubt they care, just as I don't care the other way. George Bush is not a murderer, if you think so... just say it. Explain it. Argue about it. But please, think about what you post, and who you're arguing with. Sometimes, they MAY know more than you about something... Absolutely. I was just addressing other's assertions. As for knowing more, if someone is over there, they know what they know from their perspective, and from there position. We all know military folks are left in the dark, especially in wartime. ...and they probably don't care how they spell it or punctuate it. Nor do I, but when someone pipes in with something about getting more education and they obviously lack basic grammar skills, I think it's my right to point out the irony.

Ok, no prob, but I'm still sceptical of that. I know he was a SOB, but how do they arrive at that #?

Congratulations on being the first liberal to drop a turd into a post dedicated to a very positive event. Thanks for being just another of the many conservatives to drop a piece of crap disguised as a flower over the thousands of dead US soldiers, allied soldiers, and Iraqi civilians as if there will ultimately be a positive outcome.

You can't figure that out? Bias, my friend. Bias in the media is everything. Watch the same story as told by CNN and then by Fox and it will seem diametrically opposite.

I think it's a bit shortsighted to think there is no chance of a civil war or other dissention leading to unrest. BTW, there are plenty of people that think this isn't such a great thing. By that I mean the war and the entire thing.

funny thing is I never remember them having free and open election in afghanistan, nor dancing in the streets. When the "USSR" was there. Can you give me a link on that? I didn't think so. Dancing in the streets is even mentionable? That's what I love aboutthe other side - they get fascinated by semantics and symolism Point is, when we're gone things will return to the way they were. If the resistance fighters can give the US troops the fight of their life, just think what they can do to the Iraqi police.

Tisk, tisk, tisk, Sundevil.

As a closing statement, your reference to reading books is undermined by your general punctuation, syntax and overall grammar. Not attacking you or trying to be the spelling Nazi, I am a lazy ‘typer’ at times too, but I just find it odd. *** When i spoke of reading a book i was referring to your completely inaccurate explenation of operation desert shield/storm. i was making no shots at grammar punctuation or the like. take all the shots you'd like at the way i type i can be incredibly articulate and when i feel like it, but frankly arguing with you in this forum does not feel like its worth the effort. care to take any more shots at my education? I'm not going to help you deviate this thread from its original purpose anymore,... K i'm sick of every post regarding the President or the middle east deviating into a general argument about the war... Then why the above? the leftists will take every chance they can to try and get their point across and its getting rather tiring. And why that? Aren't you purpetuating what you claim the other side does? OK now i know which incident you were talking about and if i recall this marine is being investigated for it and possibly brought up on charges, so wouldn't the fact that he is facing murder charges prove that we are not there with the intent of murdering innocent iraqis? Just the byproduct. Please don't speak for all 120k troops over there. Just as most cops are aggressive overzelous individuals, I believe many tropps have the same mentality. When i spoke of reading a book i was referring to your completely inaccurate explenation of operation desert shield/storm. i was making no shots at grammar punctuation or the like. take all the shots you'd like at the way i type i can be incredibly articulate and when i feel like it, but frankly arguing with you in this forum does not feel like its worth the effort. care to take any more shots at my education? I was just responding to your demand that others educate themselves. When people make those demands they open themselves up to the same criticism. Instead of vicariously calling everyone that doesn't agree with you, uneducated, why not make assertions and support them with your vast readings?

Hey Genius, I don't understand you. 'why do they get so angry rather than angrily protesting' Please clarify what is your point. And you're calling me the genius?

could you clarify what incident you are talking about. that was about as specific as saying "hey you're from colorado do you know john, he lives there." if an iraqi soldier was killed by an american without need surely that soldier is being punished as a war criminal, like i said mistakes happen, but at least we make the effort to right the wrongs so they don't continue to happen. Hey John from Colorado, hre's the link. http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGBKX4EIU2E.html

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