DB-UK

Bummer :-( I only met him briefly but he seemed like a really nice guy. Pic attched of Adam doing what he loved doing. RIP fella. http://www.vne.info

Hello group. I've just put some updated Base pics on my website at www.v11.com. Look in the Activities gallery. Cheers Darren :-) http://www.vne.info

Symbiosis make a great FS suit. As a team jumper my suit gets a lot of wear and tear (hundreds of jumps a year and a lot of wind tunnel hours). The suits are comfortable but tough and last well. Fit is good - well, they'll make it to fit just the way you want so it should be. Just make sure you get your measurements right ! Any repairs or modifications are turned around quickly and efficiently.

A selection of pics are now online at - www.darren-birkin.fotopic.net There are lots more that I haven't put online so if you want me to see if I have any with you in let me know, and give me a clue what you look like and were wearing and I'll see what I can find. Cheers Darren :-) http://www.vne.info

A few pics from the weekend are now online at - www.darren-birkin.fotopic.net http://www.vne.info

Hi. I work near Tower Hill but live out of town (Herts). Normally jump at Nethers or Hibaldstow. Can't make drinkies tonight but maybe next time. Have one (or two), for me :-) http://www.vne.info

So if an informed and educated group came to the conclusion that the public should not be allowed to have access to fireams would you hand yours over ? Just like that ? http://www.vne.info

Pretty sure. There is no data - so I guess I'm making it up. http://www.vne.info

Dave - is that what I said ? Of course there are guns in circulation here. It's illegal though and that means that there are very few out there and that the chances of me encountering someone carrying one are slim. Ooops - must not get dragged into this any further. Enjoy your guns. Go shoot things. Whatever makes you happy. Peace :-) http://www.vne.info

Ok. Different points of view. I never expected you to all give up your guns just because I think it's a bad idea. So I'll move on now rather than engage in ultimately futile debate. Thanks for your comments. Take it easy. And try not to shoot anyone ;-) http://www.vne.info

Hi Douva I don't claim to be an expert on US culture but I have visited many times. Generally skydiving trips. It doesn't make me an expert of course. Just correcting the pre conception. It's interesting that you group a concealed handgun with those other items - all of which are life saving devices. Now I'm sure you and many others here would say that's exactly what it is but non of the other things are actually designed to end someone elses life. Maybe it's just me but personally I feel very happy to walk the streets without carrying a gun. And I am very happy that it is illegal here for anyone else to be doing so. http://www.vne.info

Hello again Like I said before - I know we're not going to agree. I'm just interested in understanding your reasoning. So this bar fight, help me understand. Hypothetical situation - Someone spills your beer. Words are said. Voices are raised. Pushing and shoving. Scuffle..... swearing..... At what point do you pull your gun out ? At what point do you seriously consider actually pulling the trigger ? Enlighten me. http://www.vne.info

Self defence ? Well I'll take your point - to a point. Defence against what though ? Someone spilling your beer ? Hitting your car ? Maybe a fight in a bar ? Do you really need a gun to deal with those situations ? Or is it just that because you never know who else has a gun that they might pull you therefore feel the need to have one yourself ? Just in case ? Everywhere has crime. I'm sure London is comparable with many US cities in crime terms. Very few people would advocate us carrying guns for "defence" though. I know we aren't going to agree on this. I was just curious to know what insecurities were behind your desire to carry a gun. :-) http://www.vne.info

I'm curious. Why do you feel the need to carry handguns - concealed or otherwise. Under what circumstances do you invisage using your weapon ? IMHO there should be no need for the general public to have or carry firearms in a civilised society. Hmmm although we are talking about America I suppose...... http://www.vne.info