SuperKat

Dude, you're not following forum rules. Read the previous posts first please. Then, make new comments and bring up new points. Thanks What's the most you ever lost in a coin toss, Friendo?

*** Bingo! You guys are a rough crowd man. Just straight to the guillotine, eh?

Maybe for you base jumpin' dude but that took some years off my life. lol Thanks for pointing that out hookit. I didn't want to seem like I was being hard headed but I too think I couldn't have back slid that far but I can't prove it and I didn't get the guy that didn't track too well on film so I can't prove that either. Therefore, evidence points out that I backslid towards him and I failed to look behind me or above me. T Man, you guys keep picking on my buddy. Poor guy can't even defend himself. I have some even more funnier videos of him tracking when we did a two way tracking dive but it's too embarassing and I can't do that to my buddy. Yes it does. Like I said, the one time I fell asleep in air, I almost permanently f*cked myself. What's the most you ever lost in a coin toss, Friendo?

I know what you mean. I know a lot of those lazy tracking people. In this dive, I purposely went low to get the other guy tracking away on video. I think if the other guy didn't take 10 seconds from breakoff to pull too, this may not even have happened. However, that wasn't the case and I should have looked out for him. I looked side to side but not up and behind me. What's the most you ever lost in a coin toss, Friendo?

Girl, you have to read the previous posts first before you make a reply like this. Blue Skies.

Well, I'm the hipocrite who always preaches about keeping things safe and what do to when something happens and I didn't practice what I preach. I always bitch about having skydiving common sense and I didn't have wits about me this time. What's the most you ever lost in a coin toss, Friendo?

Why should he be? I accept full blame for this near accident. I owned up to it. Yeah some words were said but I owned up the mistake in the end. What's the most you ever lost in a coin toss, Friendo?

I can't totally blame him Nael. I have to accept some responsibility too. You're right. I'll talk to him with people that have jumped with him and with a JM too. Good thing nothing happened to you either. We'll see what happens. We'll have some people talk together with him. What's the most you ever lost in a coin toss, Friendo?

Tell me about it coach. It's okay. We'll talk to him together with an instructor. It's also partially my fault too I was backsliding and I didn't watch out for him. So both of us were knuckleheads on this jump. I'm usually up on my game but I slipped this one time and I almost paid it with my life. Thanks for looking out for me coach. What's the most you ever lost in a coin toss, Friendo?

Dude, that's bad man. He's my buddy. First it's iron cross tracker now Mel Stiller. hehehehehe you guys are way too creative. Yeah thanks. Now I won't be able to look at him with a straight face again. Thanks a lot. And that's my buddy too. Poor guy. Can't track and looks like Mel Stiller. Should I be honest with him the next time he brags about his track? What's the most you ever lost in a coin toss, Friendo?

Yeah I hear ya. There's nothing wrong with overkill on getting a point across. I live by that rule. Stay with us Grant. It's a mistake we both made. At least it wasn't in the sky where we nearly killed eachother. Mistakes made on the ground are cool with me. Nah, I'm just agreeing with you all so that you can get off my back. Lol Just kidding. I realized it when I looked at the unedited video myself. Ah the trickery of film editing. Even I was fooled. So the fool, fooled himself. One thing I'm not is hard headed. Maybe at first I try not to stray away from making my point but when I thought about it more and watched the unedited video. I knew that I was wrong. I'm never too big to accept blame. Just as long as you can prove it to me. In this case it went both ways, you guys proved it to me and I saw it for myself. Of course. I'm not sensitive to criticism, grilling or being scolded at. As long as it's helpful to my development as a skydiver. Put it this way, without you guys and my mentors at the DZ, I wouldn't have stayed alive this long with the many mistakes that I've made in Skydiving. And I learned a lot from this joint and I continue to learn from here. You're OK in my book, Grant. Dude, I'm from NY. In my opinion, you kept your cool and remained civil and professional. I'm sure billvon will agree with that. You're not even like a fraction of bungholes that I deal with at work. They're the reason why I jump out of perfectly bad airplanes. Lol Have a good one buddy. Blue Skies. What's the most you ever lost in a coin toss, Friendo?

Dude, take it easy. I was just quoting jack nicholson and trying to be funny. I'm not trying to insinuate that I'm in the clear. I think you're not reading all of the posts. I already admitted to you that I was backsliding. You have to understand. I'm only one guy here. Replies are coming left and right. I reply to them in order and answer them in order. Please read my other posts before you draw this conclusion. I'd be willing to lay odds on this one. I already admitted that I was backsliding to you. Please read my reply to your post, guy. read my previous post to you. I admitted that I was backsliding. read my previous reply to your post. read my previous reply to your post. Thanks Grant. No heat taken here. Thanks for your consideration and input. However, please read my replies to your posts first. Blue skies! What's the most you ever lost in a coin toss, Friendo?

Yeah I realize that now. I forgot that I was actually looking up and definitely backsliding. You can't tell but that's just physics for you. Yeah, you're right. Well, I know that I won't be pulling in place anymore. Only unless, I'm way above the group and I have everyone below me within sight. That is, if I decide to film RW. For now, I'm sticking to just flying RW with no more money shots. I'm not surprised. I was one of them until I thought about and watched my own video again. What's the most you ever lost in a coin toss, Friendo?

It's hard to base on video and without measuring tape. However, in my opinion he was far enough not to cause danger to me. Maybe he wasn't far as others go in your group but don't you think he was clear and far away enough from me to cause any harm? This could be a result of poor tracking and backsliding on my part. I should ask him, if he was even tracking away. All he said was that we weren't that close. I'm going to ask him that when I see him this weekend. Stupid me for not even thinking of asking him that. He kind of smiled and shrugged it off. I'll have to get to the truth this weekend. What's the most you ever lost in a coin toss, Friendo?

Yes I know that. I was wrong. I already said that. Dude, we already discussed this. I said that it was my fault for not looking around me before I pulled. I know I was wrong. We're beating a dead horse with this one. What's there to be sorry about? You're giving your opinion. If I didn't want to hear it I wouldn't have posted this video. Dude, I'm from NY, I can take any kind of criticism or advice you have whether it's harsh or not. And I thought I was already being self-critical when I fully accepted blame for this in my previous post. Would you people stop calling him Iron Cross Tracker. He's not even here to defend himself. Poor guy. He thinks he tracks well. I know that he was far away from me because he tracked a good 7 seconds away from me. When I dumped his chute was already open. You're probably right. I can't argue the point because I can't prove it. And you do usually backslide when your head is looking up. Like I said in my previous post. I'm going to stick to what I normally do which is track away from the group, keep alert and aware of everyone else's position in the sky before I dump. I have 100 video jumps. And none of them are money shot jumps. This was the first one. I'm lucky if I get people on the shot sometimes. That's not my goal when I jump with the camera. My goal is to jump and pretend it's not there. I try to just focus on RW and working on points. The camera is just a bonus. If I got it on video cool. If not, oh well. It was just this one time where iron cross tracker asked me to tape his beautiful track. I'll never do that again. YOU made a BAD PLAN from the get-go under these circumstances! Then (to me) you failed to appropriately react to a clearly FAILED (I'll submit DOOMED) plan too, which if (as it seems by your posting demeanor) you were supposedly the most experienced on this jump too. THAT, makes this mostly YOUR responsibility to handle (or at least have the abilities to handle) and deal with don't you also think? Yes Grant. I said it over and over again. I will not do that any longer. I will stick to my original plan and track away from the group, be mindful of their whereabouts before I dump. I'm always a defensive skydiver. It was this one time where I decided to be stupid. Thank goodness I didn't have to pay with my life. I'm usually the one lecturing people about this. I guess I look like a hipocrite now. Shoot, it still makes my bung hole pucker because I can shit a brick just looking at it and reliving it. It is a tad bit long winded but nonetheless, it's helpful and appreciated. You're still a cool prick in my book. What's the most you ever lost in a coin toss, Friendo?

I saw the ground coming up fast. Scary..... Check out the unedited vid I just posted. Let the truth be heard. I wasn't trying to hide anything. I was just trying to save bandwidth time and hard drive space but nooooo you all want to see open air and my beautiful canopy. Because Mattlock, I wanted to show where my position during this whole skydive was. I know it was my fault for not turning around and looking to see where the other guy was. I already know that. Like I said, it won't happen again because I'm just sticking to what I always used to do, track away from the group and be alert of where everyone else is before I dump. I did do a look down. I didn't do a look up and a 360 turn. That's my fault. That's the problem. I thought I knew everyone well. I can't explain to you why he didn't track away. Normally, he does and he tracks far. I don't know what was so different this time. The problem was that I was the low guy. Now that I think about it. He always deploys low, even when we break off at 4,500. I notice when my canopy is open at 2,200 feet, he's usually about 100 feet below me and far away from me and his lines are outstretched from his bag. I'm not trying to switch blame here but now I'm wondering why he deploys so low. If he deployed after 5 seconds of tracking we wouldn't even be having this conversation. If you count the seonds when yellow guy tracks away, it's about 10 seconds before I dump. He should have deployed earlier. I don't know. Maybe I'm talking out of my butt here. Behind me and above me. What's the most you ever lost in a coin toss, Friendo?

Can you handle the truth? http://www.superkatnyc.com/tooclose02.htm What's the most you ever lost in a coin toss, Friendo?

I realize that. It was my mistake not to see where the other guy was. Believe me, it's not going to happen again. I usually just fly pretending the camera is not on my head and missing some shots or just getting peoples faces and what not. I don't really concentrate on getting good footage. That's not my goal when I'm doing RW with friends. It was just this one time that I was focusing on my friend that thinks he can track well. Bad mistake that I made! Tell me about it. I was scared and relieved at the same time. What's the most you ever lost in a coin toss, Friendo?

You are absolutely right. It should have been my responsibility to look out for him. Like I said in a previous post, the last 15 jumps with him, he tracked away with no problem. We even made sure that everyone knew the dive flow and that I was pulling in place. I trusted him enough to track away from the other jumper because he was inline with the other jumper. I've seen him do it before. You're right though, I should have been more responsible and looked out for other people. I usually do when I'm in the formation and I track away from the group. This was my first time pulling in place. There's no excuse for it. I reacted first without watching my surroundings. I trusted the other two to clear my surroundings for me. That was obviously a big mistake. So yes, I am not trying to take away fault here. We were both wrong. Thank goodness no one died as a result of it. Believe me, I'm not going to be pulling in place for a long time now. I'm just going to continue what I usually do, track away and be alert of everyone else's position. Like I mentioned in an earlier post. The past 15 jumps from the first time he committed the offense, he tracked a lot better and further away. I put too much trust in him and I didn't rely on myself to keep the whole skydive safe. That's where I was wrong too. It's not gong to be a problem any longer because I will not pull in place anymore. I'm going to track away like I normally do and be alert as to where everyone is before I deploy. 4,500 When we broke off at 4,500 feet. I taped my friend tracking away for a few seconds. It was already 3,300 or 3,200 feet. My canopy takes about 1,100 feet to open. I assumed (big mistake) that everyone was clear and far from me, at least I knew the yellow jumpsuit guy was. So it was my mistake not to turn around and make sure the other guy wasn't near. If you see the video, he was actually above me. If you notice the yellow jumpsuit guy tracking away, I went low big time. The other guy falls very slow so I guess he was above me because as you see when I'm touching my risers, the lines of his canopy just finished stretching out below me. I guess you can say I was wrong to put myself in that kind of predicament. Well, it happened and I'm not going to pull in place any longer. I'm usually alert with my surroundings. It was just this one time where I fell asleep on my common sense. Like someone else said, all it takes is one strike. Believe me, this is a wake up call. I read you loud and clear tough guy. I appreciate it. Blue skies.

I concur unedited open air it is then. I'll repost the video shortly. Sheesh. You guys are so cynical.

Fine! You want open air and nothing on video, I will post it. Sheesh.

hehehehehe now now be nice. Yes, he is not the one that I have a problem with. What's the most you ever lost in a coin toss, Friendo?

He just yelled out. "Hey". Like he usually does when he sees me arriving at the dropzone. We like to yell at eachother. Missing video is open air while I deployed and while I was starting to sit up in my harness. I purposely edited that out so that you didn't have to wait 1-2 seconds to see the exciting part. What's wrong with you people? Don't you just like to get to the action? Do you really want to see 1 or 2 seconds of open sky? Lol What's the most you ever lost in a coin toss, Friendo?

Correct my dear Watson. I did edit this video.

Well, I flew with him 15 times in between the first time flew past me and the 2nd time he opened near me. I trusted him after the first time I brought it to his attention. Now, I don't know if I do anymore. That would have been a great plan. However, this plan was about filming our 3 way jump and filming yellow jumpsuit guy track away. Yellow jumpsuit guy wanted to see himself tracking. Normally, I always track away from the group. That's usually part of the plan for me, even if I have a camera. It was just this one freakin' time that when we decided I was to pull in place that something almost happened. I totally agree with you. During the past 15 jumps with other jumpsuit guy from the first time he flew past me at 125mph in front, he never had problems tracking away from the group or from me. Seeing that the past 15 times he tracked away far enough, my trust grew back for him. I never liked the idea of pulling in place but it was my first time and I trusted everyone that was in the formation. Had we not planned to tape yellow jumpsuit guy tracking away, I would have done what I normally do and track away from everyone. Trust me dude, this is the freakin' last time I'm doing this. Screw it if people want to see themselves track away. I can't deal with this near miss situation. helpful 2 cents are always appreciated.