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Snowman. What on earth made you destroy your Lou Reed songs? Was she worth it? If you like Bad Boys Bad Boys, Whatcha Gonna Do?there are tons of great Reggae songs about crime, many from the perspective of the criminal. It wasn't rappers who glorified a violent felony conviction. Reggae stars beat them by many years. Suggested intro playlist: 54 46 thats my number. Toots and the Maytalls Police and thieves in the street. Junior Murvin One wheel wheelie. Early B Johnny too bad. Jimmy Cliff I shot the sheriff by Bob Marley fits the genre, but is too mainstream. Also listen to Lucky Dube. He doesn't glorify crime but was a great Reggae artist who recently died at the hands of carjackers in South Africa. Snowman, Ckret is dieing to get a search warrant for your hard drive. You came close to admitting that you download your songs free on Bit Torrent, but stopped short of giving him enough for an affidavit. I always pay full price on I-Tunes. I have never jumped with an out of date reserve. I took the last grip on the 400 way RW record in Thailand. What do the above statements have in common? Keep going on the flight line analysis. I am just watching from the sidelines and cracking a few jokes. You guys keep finding clues that I missed completely. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Good point Ckret. You are definitely in that movie. Can we assume that the life of an FBI Special Agent is over glamorized in Point Break just as skydiving was? If it was that cool, they could pay even less and still hire and retain good people. I mean how much would they have to pay an agent if he got to live like Johnny Utah and sleep with Tyler? Minimum wage? I think you are also in Blade Runner. Was it Snowman who threw in the Moby Dick hint? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

A great movie indeed Ckret. Point Break makes skydiving seem cooler than it really is. If it was as great as Point Break makes it seem, I'd quit my day job, let the bank foreclose on my house and just live at the DZ til my 401K hit zero. Point Break makes skydiving seem like crack, but in reality it's just meth. I am watching our flight tracking duo in awe. Some fine minds here. All I can do is sit on the sidelines and cheer. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I fished commercially in the Pacific NW in the early 70s. If it was rainy in Nov, the winds seemed to always be from approx SE. Southerly winds and rain had a very high correlation after Sept. We often got nailed by strong Southerly storms if we fished past October. NW winds were not normally associated with rain that time of year. The rain in late Nov. tells me that winds were likely SE and not N or NW. There are probably stats that show the correllation of rain and generally Southerly winds in late fall early winter. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

A friend who worked in United's big maint base at SFO told me that plane mfrs have a 24/7 phone hotline for customers experiencing technical problems. 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Georger wrote: "Somebody must be reading this forum laughing and thinking: THESE GUYS ARE ALL NUTS!" We are perfectly normal. We are, we are, we are!!! The FBI is trying to discredit us in public because we know too much about Roswell, Area 51, the black helicopters and the phony Apollo missions. 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I don't know what composite you are looking at...but Gossetts eyebrows are WAY off from the composites - EXCEPT for Galen Cooks ALTERED composite. That was one of the main things he changed - the eyebrows. This is what I mean by fiction and fact merging and fiction (the alter composite) becomes recogniized as the original because most people will not see the difference unless it is someone who was involved or very well acquainted with the original composites. I agree with Jo that changing a composite to more closely match your suspect is playing dirty, but it was not done by Galen Cook, correct? Am I the only person who thinks that the original and the allegedly altered composite look basically like the same person? The differences are immaterial to my eye. 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Said by Buffalo Bill/Jamie Gumb, NOT Hannibal Lecter as some think. Two FBI agents crash a transvestite party in Washington DC looking for a fugitive. Holy cow says the SAC to the SA. That's the DIRECTOR over there in the black dress. Wow, look at that. J. Edgar is one crazy crazy dude trying to look like a woman. He forgot to shave, and that dress looks like something my grandmother would wear. It puts the lotion in the basket, or else it gets the hose again. Let's get out of here before he recognizes us and assigns us to Nebraska. Clyde didn't see us did he? 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Attorneys do this in a court of law - and they use the same psychology to confuse the jury and win their case. Copyright©2008 by Jo Weber Darn, my secret jury tactic is revealed rendering it useless. Now I'll have to find a way to make an honest living. I am not tandem qualified and nobody would pay me fifty cents to pack their rigs the way I pack mine. I have a 2008 commercial salmon fishing permit but the feds and state fishery regulators closed the entire season. I am out of aces. Maybe I could join the FBI if they don't discriminate on age or politics. I could start in the basement, tending the aliens. How bout it Ckret, could you put in a good word? I take back everything I ever said about J. Edgar's poor taste in lingerie. 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Easy now...The feds dont have to check their humor at the door, just their libido. That's the problem being in the FBI, you have to stay so squeaky clean. No massage parlor inspections like my buddies on the vice squad get to do. You can't even put Sports Illustrated swimsuit edition pinups in your cubicle. They don't send you to Brazil or anyplace fun, you get to go to Iraq. It's enough to make a grown man cry. Hey, I KNOW the X Files episodes were all based on fact. I can show you the blog that proves it. I also know that you were Mulder, but who was Scully? 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Occasionally? Try almost always. That was kind of my point. I guess you'd have to know me, but I rarely ask a question like that unless I already know the answer. Anyway, I wanted Ckret to say it for my personal amusement at the expense of a few posters of this thread. No problem, Quade. I knew you were asking a rhetorical question. The first thing law students are taught in trial practice classes: never ask a question in court unless you know what the answer will be. Still, it amazing to see how witnesses who actually saw very little of a crime in progress become all seeing all knowing at trial. They even testify to things they couldnt possibly have seen from their vantage point if that fact appeared in a subsequent newspaper article. One thing that would really open my eyes is if Wolfgang actually was Cooper. If so, the composite sketch was pretty darn close and that is not the usual case. In my experience the suspect sketches were often typical bad guy pictures, low forehead, a scowl, dark thick eyebrows etc. The fact that Cooper was portrayed to look like Bing Crosby shows that the witnesses didn't see him as a typical goon criminal, but rather as a more refined person. The DB Cooper forum is very civil these days. Jo and Ckret trade oblique barbs politely. Snowman is Mr. Manners. I know the FBI puts mind controlling flouride in our water but I didn't know that they also could selectively dose us with valium using the same equipment. Their injection pumps are installed at every home's water meter and they can cross link IP addresses with street addresses to hit the targeted residences. My teenage daughter seems more polite these days so that proves it. 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I actually laughed out loud at that one Ckret. I am glad to see that they don't make you check your humor at the door of the federal building. If we Cooper fiends didn't like you Ckret we'd be posting to the Area 51 and UFO blogs saying that an FBI agent admitted to us that live aliens were being held by the feds. The stronger your denials, the more they'd suspect a coverup. Those ET blogs are amazing. People are even posting pix of extraterrestrial "implants" they have excised from under their skin. They make us Cooper bloggers look completely normal. For that reason alone I don't mess with them. They are like the Porsche going 115 mph right next to you when you are speeding at 75 mph and there is a radar cop ahead. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Do you find that occasionally witnesses give one account immediately after an event and another one, one that fits more widely known facts, during later interviews? Perhaps so different that the two accounts even contradict themselves? Perhaps so different that they put the witness in a better light in the second account; make the witness more "perceptive" or even omniscient, knowing things that they could not have possibly known during the actual event? Occasionally? Try almost always. Witnesses in high profile criminal cases do this almost every time. Initially they can barely remember any details. By the time trial comes up they have photographic memories which incoprporate all sorts of things that were printed in the news about the crime. They are often incapable of dividing what they witnessed from what they learned later. When simulations were done in university controlled psychological experiments witnesses had very poor memories of what really happened. In a simulated robbery, a stick became a pistol, the meanest looking guy in a photo lineup was identified even though he was not the "robber" etc etc. Most financial institutions, ATMs, liquor stores, etc have video cameras to catch crooks. Videos made it a lot tougher for defense lawyers to argue that their client has been misidentified. I had one guy who insisted til the very end that the spitting image of him robbing a convenience store in an exceptionally clear video was some other guy. Hope springs eternal. 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I did an internship in the public defenders office and did several years of defense work afterwards. I got to where I could spot a lot of ex cons just by how they held themselves out in public. I started to figure that I was pretty sharp about the "criminal mind." An Oakland cop told me something that made me re-think my attitude: "Don't go around thinking you have criminals figured out. You only see the stupid ones who get caught." Cops were on the street and in the hoods. They saw a much larger slice of the pie. 377 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

QuoteSluggo, WTF are you talking about, Ta Ta for now. Look at the beating I take in this forum, its nonstop from all directions. /reply] Sluggo will be back. Nobody has given him a beating lately. Ckret has been an online punching bag for a few posters, but the overall courtesy on this forum has gone way up... don't you all agree? And no, I don't want to give Quade any credit for it. I do not want to admit that exhile/banning/ostracism or scarlet letters work, even if there is evidence that they do. 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I didn't assume you did. I did, however, think some might be confused and think that the gear lever and the flap lever might be somehow interconnected and that by deploying the landing gear the flaps would automatically deploy as well. There was at least one small aircraft in the past that automatically deployed the landing gear if the airspeed dropped below a certain limit. This actually turned out to be a horrible idea. Quade is sure right about that being a bad idea. Poor inexperienced pilot gets too slow, starts to stall and then his gear drops making things MUCH worse. Some pilots put autofeather in the same dumb idea category. Autofeather is armed prior to takeoff and automatically feathers the propellor on an engine that loses power. It has its advantages and disadvantages. I flew right seat in a Learstar (modifed go-fast Lockheed Lodestar, 300 mph plus) that had autofeather. The pilot cursed its very existance and NEVER armed it despite it being recommended. He said: "nobody but me ever makes a feather decision, period." He thought even an engine on fire and losing power might be contributing some thrust and you don't throw away ANY power if you are in a critcal flight situation. What he was worried about is max TO power on one engine and an unexpected autofeather of the other resulting in MAJOR thrust assymetry during takeoff. Here is an idea that might have saved some lives: automatic take off flaps settings deployed after an engine start and with landing gear "squat switches" activated. More than one airliner (including a 727) has crashed trying to take off with zero flaps. The pilots and FE got distracted during checklist reading and skipped it, more than once. A squat switch changes state when the landing gear strut is compressed indicating ground contact. The spoilers you see pop up above the wings immediately after touchdown are triggered by the squat switches. The pilot arms them during approach. They activate when the plane puts some weight on the gear and the landing gear strut compresses. I always thought Cooper's specific request for 15 deg flaps indicated a lot of plane knowledge. Now, I am not sure if he made the request. Sluggo, is Cooper's flap request in the fact or fiction bin? 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

from Wikipedia: Speed, intended to be roughly comparable to words per minute, was the standard designation introduced by Western Union for a mechanical teleprinter data transmission rate using the 5-bit baudot code that was popular in the 1940s and for several decades thereafter. Such a machine would send 1 start bit, 5 data bits, and 1.42 stop bits. This unusual stop bit time was actually a rest period to allow the mechanical printing mechanism to recycle. Since modern computer equipment cannot easily generate 1.42 bits for the stop period, common practice is to either approximate this with 1.5 bits, or to send 2.0 bits while accepting 1.0 bits receiving. For example, a 60 speed machine is geared at 45.5 baud (22.0 ms per bit), a 66 speed machine is geared at 50.0 baud (20.0 ms per bit), a 75 speed machine is geared at 56.9 baud (17.5 ms per bit), a 100 speed machine is geared at 74.2 baud (13.5 ms per bit), and a 133 speed machine is geared at 100.0 baud (10.0 ms per bit). 60 speed became the de facto standard for amateur radio RTTY operation because of the widespread availability of equipment at that speed and the FCC restrictions to only 60 speed from 1953 to 1972. Telex, news agency wires and similar services commonly used 66 speed services. 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Back then TTY machines were synchronous electromechanical beasts and used Baudot coding, not ASCII. There was a speed limitation. Common speeds (set by gears linked to a synchronous AC motor) were 45.45, 50, 75, 100, 150 and 300 baud. The vast majority of ones running in the late 60s early 70s were running below 100 baud. The common TTY speeds in the early 70s would probably have been equivalent to about 50 words per minute typing. 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

I wondered about this too some time back. From my memory of a 727-100 flight manual (same basic plane as the one Cooper was on) you could fly gear down at 10,000 ft without any flaps, BUT... if you impose an airspeed constraint then you might need flaps, the lower the speed, the more flap deflection you would need to maintain level flight. I'll get out my manual and confirm over the weekend. There is an upper speed restriction if gear is extended, but it is not an issue here since at all times of interest the 727 was flying at speeds far below the gear extended limit. 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

Minneapolis NWA operations center. Operators on the ground were typing out what they heard on VHF radio linked to their center. 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

My head is spinning. I'll go with Sluggo on da flapz. Has anyone showed Wolfgang's crystal clear 1970s photo to Tina Mucklow, the stewardess who got a good look at Cooper? Is anyone working on making this happen? 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

************ Thanks Ckret for doing yet another MYTHBUSTING rundown of what Cooper did and didn't tell the cockpit crew to do. I keep getting mixed up and thinking he did ask for 15 degrees of flap etc. The power of myth is strong On the "bump" vs "oscillations": once the outflow exceeds the ability of the pressurization system to keep up, then opening the door wider shouldnt make much of a difference. If we can assume that the 727 was flying unpressurized, then this isnt an issue. In its unpressurized state, outside atmospheric pressure and cabin pressure are equal. Could the stairs going up and down act as a bellows type pump to create an oscillation in cabin pressure? Snowman? Sluggo? Others? Your thoughts? I have no doubt about the "bump" being caused by the stair snapping back up after seeing Ckrets air to air photos, but the oscillations still puzzle me a bit. When jumpers exited the unpressurized DC 9-21 ahead of me there was a definite perceivable acoustic and pressure event associated with each jumper's exit, sort of a whoosh and mild thump. I could have counted exiting jumpers with my eyes closed even though I was seated far ahead of the rear ventral door. Could the "oscillations" have been the artifacts of Cooper tossing stuff out the door? 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

On the other hand, I never needed to; I know how the system works. It's not exactly like you're some uber-hacker and this isn't exactly the Pentagon. Most of the Forums, including this one, are available to be read by people without accounts. Bans keep people from posting on banned accounts. It doesn't prevent you from reading the Forum, nor does it completely prevent anyone from simply making another account, posting and, as you found out, getting banned again. No. You're not going to get banned again simply for making a post about how the process isn't "perfect". That said, you and others still need to be civil in your postings because doing otherwise will absolutely get that account banned and for second infractions the bans will be much longer if not indefinite. *************** You are addressing the reformed Snowman who now ranks really high on the dropzone.com courtesy chart. I want to find out what he is taking and have it prescribed to my 15 year old daughter who thinks rude is cool. 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.

If Galen did covertly alter the sketch then shame on him, but doesn't the altered sketch look pretty similar to the unaltered one? Don't they look like the same person? What am I missing here? 2018 marks half a century as a skydiver. Trained by the late Perry Stevens D-51 in 1968.