birdynamnam

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I have hundreds of jumps on Thriathlon's and owned two myself. Yes are a very good choice as a cheap 2nd canopy for wingsuiting if you need a 2nd canopy for just this. And yes easy to pack. Downside is that the flare is not so good as with some other 7-cell designs. And they are very rare here. When it comes to 7-cells in general being fantastic for wingsuiting, not all 7-cells are "great". Storms are not great for wingsuiting IMX :) :) and I would recommend 9c's like Sabre2s or Pilots over those

Any of the Wingsuit dedicated canopies "can" behave badly in some circumstances however they will much less likely put you in that situation than e.g. SA-2 or Storm. Storm... yes, it can certainly spin you up at any wl and in our experience it is probably the worst out there The Epicene and Horizon wingsuit canopies are more docile BASE-like canopies (7C, square and low aspect ratio), they are made from low-bulk enabling you to upsize two sizes more lowering wl. This is where you want to go if you are that concerned. So get your priorities right. If you prioritize canopy openings close to the level of what you see in BASE, then go for bigger sizes of the Epicene/Horizin and then accept the less sportier handling of those canopies especially at this higher wl.

You can safely proceed with that as a beginners suit. Suit is in the same class sizewise as a Phantom and it is easy to fly. I have used it for people for first flights several times and a few here had it is their first suit. On their website it more reflects the fact that the French rules are non-standard. They have their own classes and rules to go with that. Going into details, its a hands-free suit so there is clean access to the PC / BOC. Comparing it directly to a Phantom, it does require a more clean flying style in order to provide a smooth feeling in air. In a Phantom you can fly a bit more dirty and still feel like superman, where the Verso will communicate to its pilot that it thinks you suck :) So for that reason I just spend some more time on flying position with the student and doing that it turn out very well

Correct. The canopy is slightly smaller in sqft. I also noticed that the cell height of the Winx is a lot less, also resulting in slightly less bulk. So, I think you have what you need, and information is as good as it gets when comparing pack vols btw different manufacturers that measure this differently

I guess it depends on what material you want; zp, zpx or hybrid. Winx is available in zp and hybrid. I can say is that a samesize Winx zp packs slightly smaller than samesize Pilot7. I think the zpx edition of the pilot7 will then pack slightly smaller than the Winx zp. If you want hybrid then the Winx and the Pilot7 ought to be roughly the same size as the pilot7 hybrid uses zpx and lopo in a combination whereas the Winx hybrid uses zp and lopo. To add to the general understanding, I came from a Storm 150 zp to the Winx 150 zp. The Winx packs half a size smaller than the Storm, so like a Storm 142 so to speak.

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good advice. In general it takes some jumps to feel at home in a new suit, so those jumps for sure can be done "solo at your dz where there is no one to fly with". But do not do too many solos after this point as you might learn yourself some bad practices flying it. Get to that dz where skilled wingsuit pilots are to be found and go flock with them - as an ongoing activity going forward.

Unfortunately at my DZ WS is a fringe discipline. There are maybe four somewhat regular wingsuiters at my entire DZ. As such, coaching can be a bit limited and easily half of my jumps end up being solo, but I try to get some advice or fly with someone better than me every chance I get. That's why I wanted 100 jumps on the S3 before flying the ATC because many of those jumps end up being solos. Anyway, I feel that my deployment technique is functional on the S3. I am not sure how it would transfer over to the ATC, but this is what I do. From full flight: 1. Flare by pushing down on the arm wings and hold for about three seconds until there is a noticeable decrease in flight speed. 2. Conduct the following simultaneously: a. Arch & head up b. Symmetrically reach back with both arms. c. Without collapsing the leg wing, bring my knees forward to about 60 degrees, just like flying in brakes. 3. While keeping the leg wing at 60 degrees like flying in brakes, bring the arm wings back out to full flight and toss the PC once my arms are fully extended. 4. Still keep the knees at 60 degrees like flying in brakes, but use the arm wings to continue flying as straight and symmetrical as possible until the parachute opens.** 5. As soon as the parachute opens, bring knees all the way up at 90 degrees, punch out of the arm wings, and grab the risers to attempt to clear any body twists that may happen. **I've been told by some that once I toss the PC, instead of keeping the arm wings in full flight to help stabilize my flight, I should collapse them to reduce my burble. I havent tried that yet though. **** The reason why I bring my knees foward to 60 degrees during deployment is because it helps remind me to bring them up fully once the parachute opens (to avoid getting thrown forward and almost kicking the risers), and I theorize it reduces my burble footprint since I am moving some of the leg wing under me and it further reduces my airspeed. No idea if that's true or not though. I dont know whether that would work for the ATC or not, but it's been working great on my Swift so far.

Well, it's about throttling the forward speed and deploying into clean air really. You might read this also: https://www.smallteaser.com/@mattg/article/thinking-about-wingsuit-openings

And this is the path people take here, had 5 guys doing this progression from Swift2/3's to ATC. ATC are easy to fly. You must consider deployment technique however. Eventhough the ATC's tailwing is not larger than e.g. the Funk's tailwing, it flies pretty much like a big suit also when it comes to deployments - meaning you must get coaching in deployment technique. Gone are the collapse wings, deploy. You will have to Talk to a guy at your DZ or neighbouring DZ, who flies an ATC, Freak or the like and get that coaching. Also revisit your skydiving gear. Do you have al large enough and fresh PC, long enough bridle, open corners, semi stowles bag, etc, as that will help also, but most importantly get that coaching

Thats what I said, so why start an arguement when there is non

true, however if he is really set on Wingsuit'ing now, it is recommendable to opt for a canopy made for Wingsuit'ing; and those are Epicene, Horizon and Winx. I fly the Atair Winx, it comes in ZP but packs smallish still, so it would pack softly in the i5 container. If you would like to swop your canopy for a used better one, them go for the original Pilot. Spectre is doable. I do not recommend the Storm as it has tendencies to spin up if you get linetwists - unless your wl is super small.

Suggest the Güs from Squirrel. It is the littlebrother of the Funk3. It has some serious power for it's size. Here we have a large group of people in Swift2/3's and we see the Güs has a tad more power actually. The Swift's are definitely powerful suits, ranging from first flights and well into intermediate. Güs is similar to the Swift3, though handsfree and pulls are super easy. Anyways I adore my Güs and use it for fun and I fly it when I do FFCs First flight courses

Haha I suck at distance use this one instead https://ppc.paralog.net/showtrack.php?track=26136

I don't upgrade my phone, like at all. I'm into nylon

While there are not any great advances done in GR, in Race suits coming out the last 1.5 years, I have noticed vast improvements in how easy they can be flown to the max and beyond. For me it was the 2k well worth easily. In other cases, I found new models did not bring anything over the previous model really - and so you could argue that that money was indeed wasted. I am so much guilty in upgrading too often. There is however a couple of new suits that I have that is almost mindblowingly more joyful to fly than the previous ones where I have felt the money was well spent and the marketing was correct. I did not so far get a new model of a suit where I think it actually got worse Keep pushing find this guy as he is out there, and let him fly with your instrumentation in neutral winds. Get the data. Post it.

Keep pushing, you will eventually have the data

Well 3 or 3.5, who cares really. I mean, it would be superb to have you provide your gadgets to the best gliding human out there, just for the fun, so that we finally could end this discution and then know what GR are at present optimally. Then you yourself might stand corrected, or sombody else... But as I tried to explain above, it's not really what manufactorers are woorking towards, it more than GR sort off. As explained..

Well the whole debate is just not interesting IMHO. As I explained, the performance competition, which I have participated in since 2015, is not about GR. It is other "performance data" that is compared not based on sustained GR. GR is listed, but in the Distance disipline it instead it is distance in meters that counts and that is wind, flare energy conversion plus sustained GR. Canopies, wingsuits are for sure glorified bricks compared to e.g. gliders. I was told that I was flying in formation with a huge Hawk that glided with me at the recent comp "Wings over Marl". Unfortunately I was not looking to the right. I am sure the Hawk was thinking what is this? Some Brick?

I think it's a dead discussion that leads nowhere - and really is not interesting making it to a brand-war either. With Canopies as with Wingsuits, manufactorers are investing much more in other aspects than glide, that is very true. And actually the Performance Competitions, is about flying the suits in not only a straight line - doing planking. The vertical dive down to competition window, the energy conversion. The 3 different disciplins; speed, distance, time that require powerfull flares to create good well timed flares. Perfect navigation on top of that. This has not so much to do with sustained glide. Its more, all of what I described, mixed with the judges suddently ordering the runs in up-wind instead of down-wind - requirering different tactics and flying style to succeed - as happened at World's.. We do all of that with the same suit, so its not helpfull if the suit only has been developed for best glide. And so all of that makes the competition format interesting - at least to me. It' a Race, it's not a GR competition. For Wingsuit manufactorers and performance improvements, it seems that drag reduction is the big game now for some time. Remove drag, so efficiency. I talked to the best pilots atm about this they say towards 3.5:1 is where we are. For me this is good enough, not for formular driven people. So yes somewhere btw 3:1 to 3.5:1, is as close as we besides the great nej sayer can come Unless the great nej sayer lends his fantastic tool to the distance record holder from World's and they agree on a way of flying/measuring it.

I did some inquiries speaking with a few folks that like me took part in the latest World Championship (but are far better then myself). In zero wind conditions we are currently at 3.5:1. And not yet 4:1. So 3.5:1 folks.

I know, I actually fly at these competitions still, last one World Champs in Prostejov. What I am talking about is not glide including the energy coming from the flare... It is the sustained glide, after the flare energy has been used out. The scoring software we use not only records and displayes this, it also records the wind factor that day aloft. So yes we have this data, and how refreshing this is instead of peoples blablabla

Manufacturers has educated or at least very knowledgeable Aerodynamic Engineers to create the suits. They also use math and stuff. Test pilots with xx-thousands jumps are then flying an array of prototypes providing feedback to the engineers that then provides modified prototypes - iteratively improving the suits. What Yuri says about glide ratio 3:1 is not true at all. The best competition pilots are able to do 4:1 and THAT is proven in the field actually by raw data, not by only talking about formulars. Where? At world championships for years. Because some distance runs in these comp's are not done in downwind, but in crosswind well more or less (now the math genius attacks). I have noticed that 4:1 is achievable but off course that is not proof to math genius.

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