jerryzflies

Your ilk has. And there's no question that some of the soldiers returning from combat are badly affected by the experience, so the sorts of magic fixes that would supposedly prevent the Pitts shooting would also mean stripping gun rights from veterans. Quite the reward for their contribution to our nation, isn't it? Jerry is willing to take any measures to prevent the mentally ill from owning guns, and he's really not concerned about anyone else who suffers as a result. When I asked him about that, his answer remains: 'so you support nutters having guns.' Why do you repeatedly misrepresent the positions of others? Is it the only way you can "win" an internet debate? The suggestion of several posters is that EXISTING restrictions on nutters owning guns should be effectively enforced. The recent spate of mass shootings shows very clearly that the way it is enforced right now is hopelessly ineffective. No one has suggested repealing the 2nd amendment as warpedskydiver wrote. No one has suggested putting gun owners in concentration camps as JohnRich wrote. Resorting to absurd hyperbole shows that you have no real rebuttal. If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

I know history. Is the NBER wrong, then (according to you)? A rose by any other name would smell just as sweet. Though in this analogy, change that to smells like shit. I take it that you are telling us that the NBER, the designated arbiter of business cycles and recessions in the USA, is wrong and that you know better. OK, just so long as we all know. That puts your other opinions into perspective. PS do you have your own personal definition of "inch" too? If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

Not according to this. It appears that the recession of 70's and early 80's are currently longer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions LOL. Jerry? You trust Wiki? If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

Not according to this. It appears that the recession of 70's and early 80's are currently longer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions Maybe you should look at the OFFICIAL source instead of Wiki. wwwdev.nber.org/cycles/cyclesmain.html Longest OFFICIAL contraction since WWII was 16 months. We have now passed that. If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

Straw man. Is that the best you folks on the right can do? If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

Don't want to answer the question, eh? Not that I'm surprised. If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

You are now claiming that there are millions of mentally ill people with guns? And you support this? If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

Maybe you should build a panic room and hide in it for the next 8 years. If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

How does commuting your single occupancy Hummer to work in LA, Houston or NYC contribute to growing grain for the poor? If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

I think anyone that thinks 16 months is the longest recession we've had since WWII is in denial. The entire stretch in the mid 70s to early 80s was brutal. Wasn't always a recession by classic definition, but when you have double digit inflation, people don't give a shit if there was minor positive growth rather than negative. There IS a reason we have definitions. If it wasn't a recession by definition, then it was NOT a recession. This IS a recession, and it IS the longest since WWII. And that's is all there is to it. So, you then agree with me from my comments about the "R-word" in definition, at the time... Nope. The recession is officially deemed to have begun in Dec. 2007. blogs.wsj.com/economics/2008/12/01/nber-makes-it-official-recession-started-in-december-2007/ You were, and are, wrong. If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

Hardly. I don't believe you were here early last year, when this was a highly partisan topic. The strict definition was not being met, so Democrats like Kallend wanted to use alternate definitions. The Republicans cried out - look, we grew .2% - not a recession you liberal fucks!. for the 80some percent who still have normal work, 2009 is probably a decent year. Unlike last year, inflation is nearly nill. My bonus went up 30%. I found 2001-02 far worse. And I suspect nearly everyone found the 75-82 stretch pretty shitty. The magnitude of this recession will not be determined this year. Right now, it's not close to the worst. OFFICIAL determination of recessions is made by the NBER. They determined that this recession began in December 2007. That makes it, at 16 months, the LONGEST since WWII. If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

What scares me even more than the mass murderers, are these gun-o-phobe brown shirts who would round up all gun owners and put them in concentration camps, to protect the public. Their solution is worse than the problem. Being unable to come up with actual justification for allowing easy access to guns by the mentally ill, all you can resort to is straw men. If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

Another one And another one How many is that in just THIS LAST WEEK? If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

I think anyone that thinks 16 months is the longest recession we've had since WWII is in denial. The entire stretch in the mid 70s to early 80s was brutal. Wasn't always a recession by classic definition, but when you have double digit inflation, people don't give a shit if there was minor positive growth rather than negative. There IS a reason we have definitions. If it wasn't a recession by definition, then it was NOT a recession. This IS a recession, and it IS the longest since WWII. And that's is all there is to it. If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

No. the requested a dismissal "with prejudice." That means case closed - refiling would be the practical equivalent of double jeopardy. Bad news for the prosecutors: voices.washingtonpost.com/washingtonpostinvestigations/2009/04/tables_turn_on_stevens_prosecu.html?wprss=washingtonpostinvestigations After the last 8 years it's nice to finally have an AG with some integrity. If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

Do you want people to be denied constitutional rights without an official court hearing to protect their rights and give them fair due process? What judge protected the rights of the innocent victims of the FOUR gunmen who perpetrated mass shootings in the last 9 days? So for you, it's fine when we put 100 people in jail, 5 of whom are innocent? Better for us all to make sure we don't miss anyone, right? Is a straw man the best you can do? Hard to defend so many homicidal nutters in just one month, isn't it? If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

what would make me proud would be if you'd actually offer up progress, rather than being a second rate reporter. What you have here isn't a mass shooting, just another case of a husband killing his family rather than face divorce.. "Two women and their children and the man suspected of shooting them at a Greenhill residence this morning are all dead, authorities said." Seems like you have a comprehension problem today. If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

Yes, it would. But it's not politically tenable to tell people they have to deal with hardship. It's much easier to sell them on "it'll all be ok--we just need to borrow some more money..." We used to do that through savings bonds years ago. However, now we're just printing money with nothing behind it and with no understanding or care of the consequences that have been hounding us for years. The last cutting recession was nearly 30 years ago. The recessions of 1991/92 and 2000/01 were blips, minor corrections. The current generation that doesn't remember a President Reagan or Carter has not experienced any real economic suffering on this level. That's why the press is having such an easy time selling this as the worst since the 1930s. We are nowhere near that level, and in fact, we aren't near the level we were in the late 70s/early 80s. It IS the longest recession since before WWII. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1091072/U-S-plunges-longest-deepest-recession-World-War-II--going-worse-analysts-predict.html You are still in denial. If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

No actual proposal with specifics has been offered. Each time one was hinted at, I've asked why they no longer believe in the protections given to us by HIPPA, or if they've thought about the consequences of further stigmatizing getting mental health care. Hint: we'll have more sick people, as they'll not risk their rights and their jobs to get depression treated. So you're thoroughly in favor of nutters having guns, because denying them will risk them not having their depression treated. Maybe nutters should also be allowed to be airline pilots - we wouldn't want to upset them, would we? If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

Not really. The Earth's orbit has been fairly stable for hundreds of millions of years. Technically there are minor instabilities all throughout the solar system to Pluto that can ripple and technically have some minor effect, but Earth's orbit around the Sun is very stable. Looks like you missed this part, where the "natural cycles" hypothesis predicts continued cooling for 23,000 years: "Ignoring anthropogenic and other possible sources of variation acting at frequencies higher than one cycle per 19,000 years, this model predicts that the long-term cooling trend which began some 6,000 years ago will continue for the next 23,000 years." If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

No. I'm suggesting that since he's asking everyone to tighten their financial belts and make do with less, that he should cancel the new helicopter contract for himself, and continue to make do with the current old helicopter fleet. But I bet he won't. He'll approve those new shiny choppers. Looks like you are wrong AGAIN, Mr. Rich. uk.reuters.com/article/tnBasicIndustries-SP/idUKN0641436020090406 If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

That's not a very good excuse now, with far better technology, as well as numerous working examples to buy/steal from others. WE have better technology, but apparently THEY don't (yet). If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

If you believe that, then you don't understand what they did, because they did far more than just speak. Did you even read the link I posted? Did you have an actual point to make with it? It would only take a couple sentences to make it clear. At one point you were insisting that no prolifer has been punished for their speech. Now you're making some fuzzy claim in the form of a cyberlink (ala dreamdancer). I'd say make your fucking point already, but I think it comes down to you getting caught with nowhere to go. Let me help you: Words can kill. And the 1st Amendment doesn't protect that speech fully. How many rights are absolute? Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Heller Decision The right to swing your fist stops at my nose. If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

Put another way, if we locked everyone in padded rooms from birth to death, we wouldn't have to worry about anyone ever getting hurt, would we? Nice combination of fallacies there: strawman, false dichotomy, appeal to emotion and perfect solution fallacies all in one sentence. If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

If you only measure gains, and not costs, yeah, your conclusion would have validity. But since it doesn't, it's worthless. Well, I can see that a little inconvenience for you in buying your toys outweighs saving a bunch of lives every year. As Quade said, it's interesting to know who on this forum is on the side of the violent nutters' right to buy guns without hindrance. If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.