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I guess they learned from the Bush administration's claims about preventing terrorist attacks. If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

If the previous government had been competent, this government wouldn't have had to handle any of those things. Obama's government didn't create the longest recession since the 1930s. If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

He couldn't even get QEII an invite to the D-Day event, despite the fact that she's the only remaining head of state in the world who actually served in WWII. an unelected head of state who was never in any real danger and doesn't seem bothered about not attending. Does that diminish her service at all? There were literally hundreds that were directly involved in my recovery that were not on the line, therefore not in direct danger, but their service I can assure you, was quite real, and necessary. Some press is reporting that the Queen is indeed not too happy about the situation. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/28/world/europe/28queen.html?_r=1&ref=europe So what if her role was driving trucks in support. Prince Philip, her husband to be was an officer in the Royal Navy, and her Uncle was killed...of course, she was never in any real danger right...so none of that counts. Anyone living in London from 1940 - 45 was in danger. Buckingham Palace was hit by German bombs 7 times. If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

If you quit quoting Alternet, maybe rushmc will stop using Newsmax. But I doubt either of you will. If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

A US Representative "grandstanding"? I find that hard to believe If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

Just out of curiousity, what was the reason for your obvious over reaction? Apparently you have not read his posts here over the years. If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

+1 () If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

He couldn't even get QEII an invite to the D-Day event, despite the fact that she's the only remaining head of state in the world who actually served in WWII. If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

Well, what a surprise, what with all the rats ministers who jumped ship over the past week. What you guys need is a clean sweep of ALL of parliament. If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

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to triumph is for good [wo]men to do nothing The only thing needed for evil to triumph is for enough good men [and women] to do nothing The only thing required for evil to triumph is for good men (and women!) to do nothing All that is necessary for evil to triumph is that good men (and women) do nothing All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men (and women) do nothing For evil to triumph it is necessary only that good men [and women] do nothing All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men and women to do nothing All that it takes for the triumph of evil is that good men and women do nothing The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men and women to do nothing All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good people do nothing All that needs to be done for evil to prevail is that good men do nothing The only thing that has to happen in this world for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing All that is necessary for evil to triumph in the world is for enough good men and women to do nothing Evil thrives when good men do nothing For evil to triumph good men need do nothing For evil to triumph good men have to do nothing The best way for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing The surest way to assure the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing Evil will triumph so long as good men do nothing It is necessary only for good men to say nothing for evil to triumph It is necessary only for the good man to do nothing for evil to triumph For evil to triumph it is necessary for good men to do nothing For evil to triumph it is sufficient for good men to do nothing All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to stand by and do nothing All that is necessary for the forces of evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing All that is required for evil to triumph over good is for good men to do nothing Evil can triumph only if good men do nothing The only thing evil men need to triumph is for good men to do nothing The only thing for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for enough good men to do nothing The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men stand by and do nothing The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil was for good men to do nothing The only way for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing Evil prevails when good men do nothing In this case the EVIL people are clearly the Bush administration officials who made a policy of torture. Don't confuse them with the good people who, for various reasons, did nothing when they should have done something. If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

If only we could bring back those nice folks we executed after WWII, they could be your true experts. If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

Newt actually makes a really good point: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/ "Speaker Pelosi's the big loser, because she either comes across as incompetent, or dishonest. Those are the only two defenses," he continued. "The fact is, she either didn't do her job, or she did do her job and she's now afraid to tell the truth." When it comes to propagating lies, the CIA is far better at it than almost anyone or anything else. After all, they do it for a living. If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

aka "La la la la la... I can't hear you". Since when did you pay attention to anyone whose opinion differed from yours? Pray tell us what the purpose of the "captured" part of SERE training is, in your mind. If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

So now waterboarding has become "some water in the face". Redefining words doesn't work on this forum. Waterboarding is TORTURE. Your attempts to justify it just make you look bad. If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/05/14/iraq.torture/ Cheney should have kept his mouth shut, he's just making himself and his cronies look worse. If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

The FACT (from many studies quoted by Marg) that torture is ineffective and has a tendency to produce "bad intel" is irrelevant to you, then? You DO realize that the techniques we use in SERE training were designed to get FALSE confessions (propaganda) from our people during the cold war, right? No they were not John, unless you received SERE training I think you might want to keep out of this topic. As you know you jump or have jumped with guys who have done so, they have a far different opinion developed by first hand knowledge. In fact there are some people that received the full SERE treatment, I am not sure but I think there were slight differences in the training depending on the nature of the mission you perform. Ask Jeanne about that, of course she will not tell you much, as it should be. Apparently it produced false intel in at least one case edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/05/14/iraq.torture/ If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

But all the evidence we have is that torture is not a reliable way of getting at the truth. So your condition has no foundation. If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

Not that simple but, i feel the application applied in our case, no That's what I thought. And it clarifies your support for Cheney's argument. But honestly, thank you for giving me a direct answer. Legal advice was given to the Bush admin Congress was briefed multiple times specifically on what was going on. Just because Obama NOW says he will not use the technique does not make it torture or illegal. The debate that is going on today is a political circus show to satisfy the loony left fringe to keep Obama’s like-o-meter numbers high, period. Nothing will come of this except a dangerous president of political criminalization tactics to bully the other side into submission (by both sides). It needs to stop meanwhile, the paranoid right wing continue to deny torture is torture. No, torture is torture. YOU just need to redefine what it is to keep the side show going The USA defined it as torture decades ago, when we punished the Japanese who did it to our POWs. If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

+1 If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

I agree. GPS makes it easy, cheap, and reliable what they used to have to pay people to do (tail suspects). . As kelpdiver pointed out, the GPS tails the car, not the suspect. Suspect? I think you mean person, as 'suspect' would only apply if they were limited to tracking people who were actually suspected of committing crimes. But that is what this thread is all about. Didn't you read the OP? The courst said the police did not need a court order to put a GSP tracking device on a car. Where does that imply suspect? And that's even more wrong. If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

I agree. GPS makes it easy, cheap, and reliable what they used to have to pay people to do (tail suspects). . As kelpdiver pointed out, the GPS tails the car, not the suspect. Suspect? I think you mean person, as 'suspect' would only apply if they were limited to tracking people who were actually suspected of committing crimes. But that is what this thread is all about. Didn't you read the OP? If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

When you can't refute the data, attack the source? What DATA are they. The Heritage Foundation is not a scientific research institute, laboratory or university - it produces no data, just prejudiced opinions. If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

When you can't refute the data, attack the source? Normal MO when the content can not be refuted. Science does not progress based on clearly biased sources. It's much the same reason that we don't give credence to tobacco companies' research showing that smoking is not linked to cancer. If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

The Heritage Foundation Isn't that Newsmax's think tank. If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.

Because, if you read my earlier post, the law says that its murder and you are taking way the unalienable right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happyness. Its that simple. And the rape victims' rights don't count in your world. You assign to yourself the right to tell all rape victims what they cannot do - their wishes count for nothing. If you can't fix it with a hammer, the problem's electrical.