jenfly00

I quit being so hard on men in general when I realized that it was me making the decisions to go for the pretty ones with sparkling personalities rather than judge them on character. My realationships are more fullfilling and rewarding now that I got that straight. Cats are cool. jen ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

You can't save people from themselves and perhaps they have no desire to be 'saved'. Allowing people to live their lives and make their own mistakes continues to be one of the hardest lessons for me to learn. In respone to the negative comments about the guy, do we know the nature of the relationships and what promises were or were not made. Stay out of their lives and their decisions. jen ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Yeah it does. But we need our governments to protect us from stuff from time to time. Speed limits are one example of the government deciding what is safe for us. The illegality of crack cocaine is another. Do either of those things concern you? There is already a line drawn. I'd just like it moved so ciggies were on the other side of it. Many lines are drawn and more being drawn every day as people without rational justification call for more laws and regulations to make us safe. We know that of the 6 million auto accidents and 40,000 deaths annually in the US, 40% involve alcohol and 30% involve speeding. So here we have a definite problem and laws that attempt to address the problem. Despite heavy manipulation of SHS studies, no data supports a health hazzard from smoking in open air settings, yet you and the other dancing natives want laws to prevent it. Now if you are pursusing personal or social agendas, just dancing the tribal dance or responding to vocal instructions from your neighbors dog, then be honest about it and do what you must. People plopping their asses down on the slippery slope of govt intervention without rational basis has resulted major atrocities throughout our history and some of us want to keep some of you in check. My advice is stand on your own two feet, face the world, make your own decisions and accept the consequences. Failing that, I guess you could just call for more laws and shelter in the illusion of safety. jen "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers." -Homer Simpson ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Well, that's the point I ardently disagree with. Where do you draw the line? Alchohol, cholesterol, saturated fats, television, prescription drugs? Doesn't the govt deciding what is good or healthy for us in this manner concern you? Jen ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Hopefully, the next time you box yourself in a corner by making statements like ... ***In short, i'm FOR the ban. . . everywhere. Smoke at home or in designated areas. Me, my family, my friends, other people and their children do not deserve to be forced to breathe that crap in while walking in the park, down the street, etc, either. Not to mention cigarette butts that are thrown everywhere, I think people should be fined. ...I would suggest sticking with what you said or say you changed your mind, rather than play around the corners of it like you didn't say it to begin with. In closing, I suspect we agree that SHS is a health hazzard in some situations and a legitimate concern for our govt to address. Others, (perhaps you, perhaps not) either pursuing personal agenda or (more likely) just doing the tribal dance of acceptance for the elders to see, need to realize the potential damage their short-sighted actions. Skies, (oh, and Save the Children!) jen ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

You read? Papers and everything? Shucks, I'll be quiet after this. I didn't know you was a reader. With your original post, you felt like you could sit in judgement over what is/isn't appropriate for me to be upset over? If you want to, post a list of the "approved" topics that I can feel strongly about. As far as "displaced" goes, no displacement. I was making fun of your attitude. Been reading your previous posts. See the tactics, understand why they work for you ...don't care for them. As we are not adding anything to the thread subject ... Cya! ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Hey! Dog dude! Quick, over here! You're about to see a skydiving fatality Wendy W. Why? She's ok with me saying anything... They're just words... Besides, I never hit on intellectual chicks anyway, none of them can cook. Ummm, I'm thinking of the papers I've read on humor as a vehicle for displaced agression. Thanks for the personality snapshot, dude. jen ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

I can only speak for myself. I have openly discussed the circumstances of a skydiving death when something could be learned from it. Personally, I think that a remark about wanting another person (possibly someone that I know) to die for their reasons is about the stupidest, most insensitive comment that I can imagine. Only a sociopath is that unconcerned with the lives of others. You'd really rather just stone him, wouldn't you? Chill bro, it's just words. jen ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Good points. People are majorly bent because someone wants to discuss this taboo issue. The usual response to such tribal taboo violations is death. Denied that option, about the only thing thing the natives can do is to avoid discussing the issue and talk shit about the person who brought it up. jen ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

When i'm walking on the street and many around me are smoking, i'm breathing that shit in. And, here in South Florida, where the air is normally very heavy with humidity, it doesn't dissipate quickly. I'll try one last time. Using your situation, is this a health hazzard?? Ok, let me dumb down my answer a little bit... in my opinion, YES, it is. Breathing smoke in is unhealthy. End of story. -A Cute. Ok then, to move on, we must consider your non-answer to be that you have concluded that smoking in parks, on beaches, etc is a hazzard to your health (Save the Children!). Absent any scientific support of your position, what other 'annoying' activities would you like our government to ban? Would you ban/burn books because you heard they contain thoughts you disagree with.? I mean, how annoying, right!? Would you ban hair salons from filling the air with bad smelling chemicals, coloring the hair of people with low self-esteem ...or perhaps we could do it just to save them from themselves?

When i'm walking on the street and many around me are smoking, i'm breathing that shit in. And, here in South Florida, where the air is normally very heavy with humidity, it doesn't dissipate quickly. I'll try one last time. Using your situation, is this a health hazzard?? ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

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Sure they do... as long as they aren't over used... On of the biggest problems I always had was excess parts when reassembled as long as the thing still worked... it didn't bother me much Those are called pocket parts. If everything works, just put em in your pocket and walk away. jen ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Change a tire, gap and install new plugs, set the timing ...and before those quick oil changes places came around, change the oil/filter. I refuse to be helpless in this world. jen ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

I think we tend to act out more because of our conditioning (big surprise, eh?). Historically denied power and therefore limiting our ability to express our thoughts and attitudes directly, we were conditioned to be more expressive with non-verbal communication. I wonder if the whole 'intuition' thing exists because women were not believed to have the same degree of rational thought and and intuition was the only societally acceptable way to get our opinions known. I see this changing ...and about damn time! jen ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Most people have a fascination with death and serious injury. Have you never been in traffic as a line of cars moves past a bad accident. We always feel the idiots in front of you should mind their own business and drive on by. They don't, and when it's our turn to drive by, we take our peeks too. I don't know the original poster. Perhaps he is a head case, perhaps he's just being honest. I admit honesty is a rare thing, seldom seen in chat rooms and therefore easily confused with the more common head case. jen ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

http://www.bchealthguide.org/healthfiles/hfile30.stm No distortion, Jen. Second-hand smoke IS bad for you. If you don't like my view, fine, argue your point. Why should I have to breathe smoke in when i'm in public places? But, don't try to play it off as if this shit is not a health hazzard. -A Nice spin. I'm asking what health hazzard exists in "walking in a park or down a street "? Not even the people drawing self serving conclusions from bad science go that far. jen ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

But it is because of a health consideration! My point is you don't always need a scientific study to tell when something is making you feel un-well. You can feel it. I think I understand. Kind of like you really don't need to read the books to know they need to be burned? They just offend you? Did I get it right? jen Non-sequitor. Has a book or a steak enjoyed by another ever posed a health risk to you? Precicely! That doesn't keep dangerously closed minded assholes from burning books or banning outdoor smoking now does it? jen ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

But it is because of a health consideration! My point is you don't always need a scientific study to tell when something is making you feel un-well. You can feel it. I think I understand. Kind of like you really don't need to read the books to know they need to be burned? They just offend you? Did I get it right? jen ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

I wonder if there are enough 'real women' out here appreciating 'real men' to make it worth their effort when bullshit, jokes and nice smiles are what gets them laid. jen ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

That's my point. You support our govt banning activities merely because you don't like them ...not because of a health consideration? Is that really what you want? Jen (non-smoker but otherwise abnormal human) ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

At least I understand it's driven by their addiction. What I find amazing is what drives the specious reasoning that some non-smokers use to blindly accept bad science and spout "second hand smoke" (Save the Children!) in banning smoking in parks, at the beach or other open air public places. Some are ex-smokers and I kind of understand their twist. A few just groove on pressing their will on others (aligning with social power to surplant [supplement?] their perceived lack of personal power). Most are just doing the ritualistic dance they are conditioned to do. So many motivations, none of them healthy. ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Agreed. I also used to smoke. I don't do so any longer. When I smoked it didn't bother me to be around smoke, of course, and I was a little upset when smoking was taken out of certain bars, etc, here in Florida. But, I got used to it, and came to appreciate the way things didn't smell anymore. I eventually quit smoking and am not longer tolerant of it. I would like to enjoy a meal and a beer without breathing in someone's second hand smoke. In short, i'm FOR the ban. . . everywhere. Smoke at home or in designated areas. Me, my family, my friends, other people and their children do not deserve to be forced to breathe that crap in while walking in the park, down the street, etc, either. Not to mention cigarette butts that are thrown everywhere, I think people should be fined. -A Is there some sort of psychological mechanism that kicks in to distort reality and allows one to actually accept as unchallenged fact there is a health hazzard in you walking in a park or down a street where smoking is not banned? Whatever ex-smoker ideology you might choose, claiming your health (and never forget to claim 'Save the Children' ) is a risk is a bit lame in those instances. You wanting it banned is your choice. Using bad science and poorly supported rhetoric to support a personal or ideological position is not cool. non-smoker jen ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

Yes there are and don't you think it's about time we started addressing these inequalities? Jen ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".

That's the way I see it. There seem to be a number of people here who, for reasons I can only guess, seem to have identified with this place so intensly, it seems a large part of their personal self-worth. Hey, to each, his or her own I guess. Jen ----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it".