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Drat on you, newsstand...I was drawing a parallel to fictional writings, and eaglewhatshisname didn't even pick up on it. Sigh... Oh well. The hoax is out. __________________________________________________ Yes, It is all a hoax,Michele. Just as the protocals of Zion were a hoax. Or some would want you to believe. With all that is happening (the new bancruptcy laws, ontop of the housing bubble about to burst , and the gov't mandate that all credit card companies raise their minimum payment requirements by 100%) , it's all just a hoax . A white rabbit if you will. No reason to worry now, Let your hair down. Blues, Cliff

The murder of innocent civilians is not a legal order, see My Lai You really also ought to consider a spell checker since you admit to not being detail oriented. Nuremberg and historically would be correct. __________________________________________________ Thanks for the spell checker advice and you are right about that. Thing is that I always have a spell checker in the less enlightened class. They are quick to point out spelling errors even though they completely understand the message. So really, why bother with a spell checker? I figure my time is better utilized directing the sheep to water. I'll let the weaker minds feel a purpose and usefullness as they correct my spelling, punctuation,etc. Blues, Cliff

QuoteFollowing "legal" orders is an excuse __________________________________________________ Didn't work too well at Newremburg, Mr. newsstand. It may be an "excuse", but historicaly it holds no weight in court. Blues, Cliff

__________________________________________________ So tell me , Justin, Where are the "Terrorists" attacking the US? They obviously yhaven't attacked the US since 9-11 and I don't remember too many attacks before tha date. So what is your take on this war on terror? Where is the "terror"? Who are we fighting ? Blues, Cliff

According to your logic and earlier statements at least Bush isn't trying to quarter soldiers in our houses to protect the borders since they're all overseas. __________________________________________________ Good on ya' ,RunJct, Out of ten statements (The Bill of Rights)declaring our God given Rights, you have found one which the government of the United States hasn't as of yet, attempted to violate. Oh that's great!!! Where is the military who swore an oath against all enemies ,foriegn and *domestic*? Blues, Cliff

[You just don't get it do ya? __________________________________________________ OK . I get it now. You are wanting to direct the thread away from the direction it is taking. Well here are some facts. Today in the US the Government has changed the laws to where they can lock you up without ever telling anyone they've got you. They can hold you like that for as long as they please. They have changed the laws to where they can search your home without serving warant. They don't even have to let you know they have been there. They have changed the law to where they can snoop on anything you do,what you read at the library, on the internet, and what you say on the telephone. Is that the America you know? " Home of the Free"? Now we have "Free Speech Zones" in America. I remember a time when all of America was a "Free Speech Zone". Do You? Tonight GW Bush was on tv telling us that these insurgents hate us because of our "Freedom". He forgot to tell you his real strategy in the war on terror was to dismantle our Freedom at home.., That way they won't have reason to hate us! What portion of the Bill of Rights has the Bush administration not sought to overide ,Justin? Blues, Cliff

The terms don't offend me, but the unnecessary comments like that from you sure get old pretty quick. __________________________________________________ WTF??? If it doesn't offend you.., What the fuck is your problem? LOL!!! Are you drunk tonight? It's all good, my friend. Hope your ok by morning. Blues, Cliff

__________________________________________________ My bad! I should have said the Russians and the Chinese. I didn't think the terms I used were anything other than common terminology. My Bad! Blues, Cliff A "nigger" all my life and that's OK with me.

Oh. Which one? Actually, both movies weren't the best. The books are far more detailed and educational. __________________________________________________ I'm sure they are a fun read, Michele. I prefer to read history as opposed to fantasy. But to each his own is my motto. __________________________________________________ Not too worried about the report you cited. __________________________________________________ And really there is no reason for you to be . Not much a girl could do about it anyway. Blues, Cliff

QuoteHi Eagle Your correct We're doomed doomed we're all doomed]. __________________________________________________ Don't give up hope yet Rippolak, as the angel said in the censored portion of the book of revelation, " There is always hope." Just don't give up your guns!!!!! Blues, Cliff

That must have been difficult with your "unique" perspective.. __________________________________________________ LOL! No problem. I had earphones and colon scope. Shout out to my proctologist, Dr Sphyncterstein! You Da' Man! Really the good Dr. and his wife are a perfect couple. He's a proctologist and she's a pain in the ass! Blues, Cliff

Think you could lay off the racial slurs for at least one thread? __________________________________________________ Those bother you? "Russkies and Chinks"? Dude, you must not have been a "nigger" all of your life! Blues, Cliff

[ Nope. Have you ever heard of Dune? __________________________________________________ I have heard of "Dune". In fact I saw the movie. The Report From Iron Mountain was prepared by the US military. It basicaly speeks of how to break the classes down two two. The rich elite and the serfs. No bullshit. Think you might ought to read it? Blues, Cliff

holy crap...i didn't know that i was debating with a straight jacket. i'm gonna slowly back out of the room now... __________________________________________________ Was this a debate? I didn't know that. Obviously you aren't prepared to face the truth. Might I suggest you read "the report from Iron Mountain" . Then maybe we can debate if that is what you are looking for. Blues, Cliff

so, in effect, they voted to give the executive branch the authority to invade iraq. hence, the war is not unconstitutional nor illegal (redundant). __________________________________________________ First you haven't stated any portion of the Constitution which allows the Legislative to transfer their powers to the Executive. Secondly , I believe the Congressional resolution was qualified . Wasn't there an if? We'll get into the treaties after we clear up this dilemna. Blues, Cliff

No. __________________________________________________ If it did you wouldn't be duped so easily into it , would you? But so many in America aren't considering the whole picture. They aren't "into politics". They are very content to just be able to skydive on the weekends and take their very legal , Dr. prescribed, mind numbing drugs through the week. Have you ever heard of the "report from Iron Mountain " , Michelle? If you ever have a real moment of clarity, a moment when your mind is just for one second ,free of drugs(not that that is likely to happen) you might want to give it a read. Blues, Cliff

Quote I say that we desperately need to start defending our boarders. I'm all for militerzation of our boarder with Mexico and for spending the money to start rounding up those 10 million criminals and shipping them back, ASAP. But what does Iraq have to do with that? __________________________________________________ It has to do with Globalization and the New World Order, Mr "Treejumps . Years ago something occuring in one part of the world may have had no relation to other parts of the world, but that was then. What we have today is a Global Strategy by the rich and corporate elite to bring about the New World Order. Of course, they couldn't bring America into this system as long as brave fighting American troops are here in USA . Those troops just wouldn't fire on their grandmas. The solution is to get them boys out of the country . The excuse is to bring "Democracy" to other countries. Thing is ,the USA isn't a Democracy! So that's your first clue that you're being steered wrong! The plan , and this is what will happen unless good men make a stand now, is for Bill Clinton to be appointed the President of the UN. Hillary will switch to the Republican party and become President of the US in 2008. UN troops will be dispatched to the USA . Russkies and Chinks won't have any problems sighting in on our fellow Citizens who refuse to tow the line. That's what all this emminent domain stuff is about! Going communist! The good of the state is bigger than your private property rights! Wake up!! Take that to a Global Level.The good of all the people on earth is way more important than you! You have no Rights! Sorry , you dead is the best thing for the Global Populace. Good-Bye ,Sainora,nice to know ya'. Does any of that make sense? Blues, Cliff

congress did vote on it. look it up. the UN also voted on it. look it up. __________________________________________________ Actually,tonelson, my friend, if you research you will realize that Congress never declared War. They simply passed a resolution allowing G(WMD)Bush to use our military if Saddam was a threat. At least that's how I remember it. No worries, wingnut will be along shortly to point out my errors as to the derails! Now ,tonelson, can you site any portion of the Constitution which states that the Congress can transfer their powers over to the Executive branch? No need to look! Of course you can't! The Founding Fathers, very wisely, put this task over the heads of the Congress . Kinda a sword of Democulese(fix that spelling ,wouldja' wingman). See ,tonelson, If Congress hasn't made a formal declaration of War, the War against Iraq is Unconstitutional. It is also UnConstitutional for several other reasons(treaties we have entered into ,etc.), but for right now let's just discuss the lack of a Congressional Declaration of War. What say you? Blues, Cliff you think about that for awhile.

if you're gona use this as an example ya might want to get the right incedent you ment to say "KENT STATE" right? (which is about 2 hours from ohio state by car) cuz that's where 4 got killed, all that happned at ohio state was some tear gas (my aunt got caught between classes in part of the gas).... Thanks for pointing that out ,wingnut". I'm not much of a *detail* guy. As an *Idea Man* I look at the bigger picture and think in terms of Macro. I leave the details for those with micro-vision and no great ideas to correct. Thanks again. Blues, Cliff

As for their oath, it's to "protect the United States from all enemies, foreign and domestic". They also answer to a civilian Commander in Chief (the Prez). reply] __________________________________________________ Good points you bring up there tbrown! Don't they also swear an oath to the Constitution? Ya' see ,tbrown, this war in Iraq is "unconstitutional" as it was never declared by Congeress as required *Constitutionaly". Hmm. Let's think about that for a while. Blues, Cliff

Quote We DO NOT want to fight the enemy at home, we want to fight them far away from home. __________________________________________________ Riddle me this, ViperPilot; If the "terrorists" are so bright and cunning as they displayed on 9-11, do you really believe that they are swarming to Iraq like moths to a lamp post to take on the US military? Have you ever considered that if this "terrorist" threat to America was actual ,those cunning and wily "terrorists" would be sneaking up from Mexico and down from Cananada like ants at a picnic to set off car bombs all over the states on a daily basis? Isn't that what "terrorists" do? Terrorize their enemy? You seem to think that we need to take the fight to them. Don't you think that these terrorists would have had the same idea? Take the fight to America? But we haven't had any attacks since 9-11, have we ViperPilot. Don't pat yourself on the back for that one,you are out of the country and leaving our borders wide open to whomever wishes to enter! The evidence indicates that there just isn't much of a "terrorist" threat against America. Blues, Cliff

QuoteYes Cliff I am aware of what's going on in the news. __________________________________________________ Actually , James, It's going on in real life ! I know it all seems like it's just on tv and "no big deal" but, the Supreme Court is right now a domestic enemy of our Constitution!!!!! So what are YOU going to do? Going to honor your oath or sit on your ass waiting for your next MRE ? Blues, Cliff

Google "posse comitatus" and read some of the results. For the purposes that I believe that you are insinuating, the military is prohibited from doing anything. __________________________________________________ Interesting. Tell me ,Lawrocket, as the National Guard is now performing in the role of US military overseas, was it a violation of "posse comitatus" when they were deployed against those kids at Ohio State? How about when they were down in Mississippi against the State to open those state colledges to blacks? If that wasn't in violation of the posse comitatus clause, Why can't they be deployed to enforce our border laws? Blues, Cliff

Quote I will continue to support and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies __________________________________________________ Have you heard , James , of the recent Supreme Court decision which attempts to negate the private property Rights guaranteed by the Bill of Rights? The Bill of Rights is a part of the Constitution and it does mention that privatwe property shall not be taken for public use without just compensation. As you are going to defend the Constitution, can we expect your speedy return form Iraq and your self-deployment on the court house steps? Blues, Cliff

QuoteWe defend this country so everyone, including YOU, can live how they want. __________________________________________________ You do pat yourself on the back,don't you, ViperPilot. Can you explain to me how by the (unconstitutional) military action in Iraq our military is defending "this country"? Thanks. Blues, Cliff