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Well, OK you got me there. _________________________________________________ So you can't provide any evidence that this "Al-Queda" exists. Yet you go on and on about "Al-Friggin -Queda. So does the government which you blindly support!!!!!!!!! The government of the USA went to war against Afgahnistan supposedly to fight "Al-Queda". You,Gravity master , were a leading cheerleader in this war. But you can't even provide one scrap of evidence to proove that Al-Queida even exists? Would you be suprised to know that the USA government decided to go to war against Afgahnistan in February 2001? Months before the WTC bombings? Hey, riddle me this Batman,..What was the cause of number7's collapse? Good Day

The only thing I know is they said they did it. __________________________________________________ and can you provide a source to back this claim? Don't bother dude. Because the startlingTruth is that no group has ever claimed responsibility for 9-11. Now here is something interesting which you may like to ponder. Generally speaking, terrorist groups commit terrorist acts for a purpose. They want to bring attention to their cause and are not shy about letting the world know who commited these acts. As of today, no group has claimed to be behind the incidents of 9-11. So name your source .Dude. You know, the one that said "they did it". LOL!!!! If it ain't Bush and the zionists you are far off base. Infact you are out in the picnic area next to left field on "short bus" Saturday. Blues, Cliff

[Well, yes I think there's some evidence of a group called Al Qaeda. __________________________________________________ Would you please provide this group with all and any evidence you hold ? Please provide us with the names of Al-Queida members of which you are aware Please provide us with any names of this groups Chapters which you have certain evidence. Please provide us any evidence which you hold that proves AL-Queida exists other than in the propaganda of your own government. Blues, Cliff ]

______________________________________________ We all know that you oppose the war,John. I'm curious to know what actions you have taken toward ending it. Blues, Cliff

Quote IRAQ: FORMER PM REVEALS SECRET SERVICE DATA ON BIRTH OF AL-QAEDA IN IRAQ Do you really believe this? LOL! Do you have any evidence that there is some "group" called Al-Queida? Do you know any members? Isn't this the "group" the government has blamed for many terrorist type attacks against Americans? Didn't the government blame 9-11 on Al-Queida as well? Can you provide any evidence that Al-Queida members were responsible for 9-11? Blues, Cliff

He had proof....It was bad. That does not make him a liar. _________________________________________________ Ron, Ron, Ron.., I feel sorry for you man. You say 'He had proof" and then you go on to say"it was wrong". LOL!!! Proof could not be wrong. George didn't have "proof". What he had was a group of advisors and underlings who were willing to fabricate evidence to support the predetermined agenda . In other words, when George W told Congress and the world that Saddam was a threat to America, quite simply, he was lying.

You really need to back that up with some reputable sources. __________________________________________________ The list of sources is long and varied. To begin your education I suggest you view David Ray Griffins lecture which is widely available on the internet.

For the record, I am the father of a GI (82nd Airborne). _________________________________________________ Well then you will be happy to know that in support of the troops, I daily write various members of Congress urging them to end the illegal and unnecesary war in Iraq. I hope you are doing the same. Blues, Cliff

__________________________________________________ I can't speak to that as I have no knowledge of that being fact. I can say that it has been widely reported that personnel of the instant messaging company Odigo, which is Israeli owned ,and more specificaly personnel in that company's offices which were within blocks of the WTC, did recieve advance warning (2 hours prior) of the attacks. Blues, Cliff

Here is something I find interesting,Speed Racer, and everyone can chime in about how it doesn't prove anything. As a demo organizer I often had to go down to the localFSDO to file forms 7711-2. On September 10, '01 I was at FSDO Atlanta and taken aback at the changes in security there. The SOP previous to that date was "OK,go ahead". On that date I was adxvised that I couldn't pass the perimeter security without a confirmed and recorded appointment. No government foreknowledge? You be the judge. Blues, Cliff

Might ought to look around for a firearm ,my freind. Since 9-11 the "Federal Government" has succesfully passed legislation which grants them powers in violation of your rights. They have propagandized the citizenry to believe that the trade off of Rights for security is a must. I say only a fool or a coward would ever barter away his Natural Rights for the "promise "of security. Taken off your shoes at an airport lately? Blues Cliff

Concretly? Nope. __________________________________________________ It was a loaded question , Frenchy. You couldn't have any concrete evidence that Osama (the boogie man ) Bin Laden was behind the attacks because he wasn't. The entire 9-11 incident was orchestrated by the USA government and the zionists in Israel with the help of the Pakistani ISI. Osama was busy with his kidney disease(which killed him Dec. 2001) at the time. The invasion of Afghanistan had been planned shortly after the pipeline talks between the Taliban and the US broke down in Feb.2001. Seems UNOCAL wanted a natural gas pipeline between the Caspian Sea,through Afgahnistan,to the gulf. If this was realized in the proper timetable ENRON might still be a viable company. But those pesky Taliban wouldn't accept the deal!!!! Problem was how to convince middle America of the need to war against a backwoods nothing country like Afgahnistan. The new Pearl Harbor was the answer . Do some research my freind. You might still want to "put a boot in their ass" ala Toby Kieth, the difference will be the targeted ass. Update: The pipeline is now open and functional! Pat Tillman is still dead!! BAKU (AFX) - The planned launch this Wednesday of the 4 bln usd Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan pipeline, a major US-backed global energy initiative, has been clouded by a recent violent crackdown on the opposition in Azerbaijan. British oil giant BP holds a 30 pct stake in the consortium running the pipeline. Other consortium members include Azerbaijan's state oil company SOCAR, Amerada Hess, ConocoPhillips, Eni, Inpex, Itochu, Statoil, TPAO and Unocal. A huge 11-year-long undertaking, the pipeline will transform the Caucasus and Turkey into an energy bridge between the Caspian and the rest of the world when it is fully operational six months from now. But much of the gleam of that accomplishment was worn away over the past week by Azerbaijan when police badly beat and arrested scores of people attending a peaceful rally on Saturday as part of a wider crackdown linked to the pipeline's opening. Authorities refused to allow the rally, saying that it fell too close to the opening ceremony on Wednesday, which US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and a host of other foreign dignitaries were due to attend. Police rounded up some 30 opposition members ahead of the protest in what the opposition alleged was an attempt to derail the rally and arrested another 45 during the rally itself as they doled out severe beatings to dozens of pro-democracy protestors. David Woodward, chief executive of BP's Azerbaijan division, criticized the violence and voiced skepticism on the government's stated rationale for the crackdown. "It's very unfortunate," Woodward told Agence France-Presse, referring to the weekend violence. "I find it rather surprising that they should feel the need to ban a small gathering like that essentially well before any of the VIPs arrive." The crackdown was widely criticized by the West, with Norway's ambassador to Baku, Steinar Gil, saying some guests expected at the opening ceremony may find it embarrassing to take part while opposition activists remain in detention. The 1,770 km-long pipeline, which will ship up to a million barrels of Caspian oil to the Mediterranean daily, was built with financial support from the US. It was initiated in 1994 as part of Azerbaijan's so-called "deal of the century" -- a massive oil contract signed in the early 1990s to develop Caspian Sea oil. The US hopes transporting oil from this region will reduce its dependence on fuel from the volatile Middle East. At the same time the project has loosened Moscow's grip here and bolstered US influence in the region. For Azerbaijan, wracked by corruption and poverty, the project has been a useful political tool with officials lauding it as the answer to all of the country's financial problems. But the crackdown on the opposition has highlighted concerns that the awaited benefits, an estimated 40-60 bln usd in oil revenues in the next 30 years, will not trickle down to the general population in an atmosphere of general unaccountability. SOCAR, which holds a 25 pct stake in the BP-led pipeline consortium, refused to comment on concerns that a high level of opacity in the company could hamper public accountability to the project. "There is little transparency in the oil industry and a lot of corruption in society, and that's a very bad combination," said Ingilab Ahmedov of Baku's Public Finance Monitoring Center. According to BP's Woodward, the government is trying to deal with the issue. But he said "the old guard," or officials who have remained in power since the death in 2003 of the president, Heydar Aliyev, "don't want to see reforms progress... and wish to pursue their own personal interests." Internationally, too, critics have said that the West and especially the US have been too soft on Azerbaijan in their quest to secure oil supplies. "There is a huge reluctance to make a stink of what's inexcusable and most of that is to do with wanting to maintain the security of supply," said Simon Taylor, a director at Global Witness, the London-based watchdog focused on corruption in resource-rich states. PS: Who's Osama? According to George Bush he's not important. Intersting when you consider he was the cited reason for entering this "War on Terr"l

Ahhh, blowing up worshipers. How nice! __________________________________________________ John, can you provide any evidence that " peace -loving muslims" were involved in any of these incidents? I'd love to see what you've got . ofcourse it may be that like so many sheeple in the USA ,you are just relying on corporate news spin as your infotainment source.

I think it highly OFFENSIVE to liken the death of a GI to the wind blowing. __________________________________________________ We agree ,Professor, but that is not the case in this instance. The Lady merely pointed out that their organization has certain rules considering membership requirements and that this mother didn't meet the membership requirements. She is not a US citizen. Here is a quote from their website "This is a group of mothers whose sons or daughters died in combat serving our country in order for the American people to live in peace and have all the freedoms that we enjoy today." ________________________________________________ The son WAS a GI, serving the USA, and I fail to see what the nationality of his mother has to do with it. This organization and its leaders need a good overhaul. ________________________________________________ Read the quoted text again ,Professor, and note the words "*our*country". The possesive is plural and indicates that all members must be citizens of The United States. Therefore, anyone who doesn't consider the great USA to be "their country" isn't qualified for membership. What is so wrong with that? Or can't private clubs make their own rules of membership any more in the land of the free and the home of the brave,offensive to some or not?

Quote***OBL is, I believe, a figurehead that needs to be dealt with (and many fine people are working on it in Afghanistan), __________________________________________________ Do you have any reason to believe that Osama is still alive? Do you have any reason to believe that Osama was behind the 9-11 attacks?

Just curious, did you work at Abu Graib or in any Afghasnistan detention facility?

Being a fire fighter I would personally like to see the towers back the way they were. Phil, considering the horrific numbers of firefighters lost on 9-11 I'm sure you want to get to the truth of what happened that day and who was behind it. Have you listened to the tapes of the firefighters transmissions or read the transcripts ? Have you researched the number 7 building collapse? (Actually it was "pulled" ) here is a link http://www.911fraud.blogspot.com/ I'd like to see the site of the WTC used as a gallows site and burial ground for those criminals who killed so many on that day . I believe the reminder to never trust the government would be the best way to honor the fallen firefighters who were betrayed on that day. Edited link http://www.911fraud.blogspot.com/

__________________________________________________ Let's see here, so you don't really have any factual evidence that this Zarqawi is even in Iraq, has ever been in Iraq, has ever commited any crime , but you are hoping to see him executed in the most inhumane and violent manner possible because due to the influence of the media you have determined him to be an "asswipe". Oh yeah.., I almost forgot..,It's "fun"! God , please help our Nation.

_________________________________________________ But if you believe what has been reported of Zarqawi(I really want to put a U after that Q") , he's taking far more efficient steps toward "population control" than his death would offer, and a fair trial which resulted in a death sentence would result in the same amount of "poulation control" which you desire. So why are you opposed to a fair trial of Abu al Zarquawi?

The word terrorism was first coined when the zionist Jews were acting in Palestine against the British occupiers. How about this as a definition of terrorism; Any act which is intended to cause fear. Often used as a means to achieve political goals. ?

QuoteThey are nothing more than a bunch of uneducated $8 hour worthless government employees. So ..,you prefer to place your security in the hands of $40 per hour "worthless government employees? How about $250,000 per year "worthless government employees"? How much does the President make? These are the people we are placing our trust in to prevent our airliners from being used as missiles again??? Who do you believe was responsible for the attacks on 9-11? If it was our own government would they trully fix security problems? Or would they just implement ineffectual programs and regulations knowing that the only threat is from their own offices? Certainly they haven't paid much attention to the borders since 9-11 . And as you point out, they don't seem to be very serious about airliner security either. do they?

---------------------------------------------------------- I'm all for fun!! and certainly you are entitled to your opinion. So , with that said, do you consider it "fun" to see innocent men executed in an expeditious manner? If not ,do you have any incontravertable evidence that this Zarqawi is guilty of any crime? Because what I'm seeing in this thread (and i'm not singling you out, it is exhibited by all the posters so far) is a vigilanteism based on no fact. I mean really,none of the posters here even know if a Zarqawi is even in Iraq, yet they are chomping at the bit to see him executed in the most horrible ways possible. But there is no reason for a trial. It was reported on CNN and Fox just after the Jessica Lynch and the Pat Tillman stories. Lets hang the bastard !!!!

----------------------------------------------------- So tell me, why are you in such a hurry?

QuoteDon't forget shot, pissed on, and left in the sun to rot. How about a trial?