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That is not the only reference, just one of a few I could have posted. I don't see anything that forbids goverments from carrying out the death penalty in the bible though, __________________________________________________ Seems that there was something about "THALL SHALL NOT KILL" but perhaps I'm mistaken. Another thing about forgive trespasses but don't hold me to that. Judge not? Shoot, I'm just not very well versed in Bible study! I could never be a *good Christian*. Blues, Cliff

So is George Jr. a liar or a nutcase? Or do you really believe that God spoke to him and told him to invade Iraq? Just wondering about our presidents mental stability and moral proclivity. How you answer may also shed some light as to yours. Blues, Cliff Blues, Cliff

"For if I be an offender, or have committed any thing worthy of death, I refuse not to die:..." Acts 25:11 __________________________________________________ Yeah ..,but.., refusing "not to die" just doesn't impress me all that much. Show me one person over 120 years old who refused *to die* and I'll be impressed. Blues, Cliff

__________________________________________________ I pointed out a week or so ago ,right here in speakers corner, that the flood wall was blown. As a matter of fact , I watched the clip on ABC where they said they were going to blow the wall in an attempt (as they said) to stop the wave action of the water allready in the city. I notice that clip is no longer available. As to the messenger , the great instrument of Allah, Louis Farrakan, don't judge any man until you have heard him. Last night I had the privelege to see the prophet speak in Atlanta,Ga. What an *uplifting* and unifying message he delivered !!! Blues, Cliff

#1. "Oops , My bad ! I'll try not to let another thousands die due to my incompetence in (choose one) a) the next terror attack b) the next unnecessary war c) the next aftermath of natural disaster Blues, Cliff

[ As good as Carter's "Habitat for Humanity" is, he knows nothing about rebuilding out of a crisis. __________________________________________________ Certainly he rebuilt Faith in the Morals of the Presidency after the Nixon/Ford fiasco/crisis. Blues, Cliff

Look, I've been hearing for years that he's gonna rebuild Iraq and that ain't happened. Now he's gonna take on another project? Expect power and fresh water occasionaly in about two years, maybe more. Truth is that Bush is real good at destroying. For construction we need to bring in Jimmy Carter. Blues, Cliff

__________________________________________________ Taking responsibility ? If Bush is responsible for the suffering and deaths of all those people, how will he make ammends? Seems like he should at least resign. If by my error you suffered some loss, merely claiming myself responsible doesn't make it all *right*. It was obvious he was responsible long before Karl told him to admit it. Now Bush needs to apologize for his incompetence and compensate those who were damaged by his incompetence. He also needs to resign. Blues, Cliff

What really really gets me is when someone is arrested for a particularly nasty crime and all of a sudden people start calling for summary execution, no trial. WTF? It's like the more heinous the crime, the less important it is to get the right person. Just as long as someone is punished to make us feel better then its all good. __________________________________________________ That's exactly how it is in the USA ! Need proof? Look at 9-11. Bin Laden was pronounced to be the guilty party. No trial, no proof ,not even an indictment . Couldn't find him so tens of thousands of innocent Afghanis and Iraqis are punished. "Shock and Awe" and all that crap! Instead of protesting Americans paste flags on their cars and say "Hell Yeah!!" en-masse. And the Chimp in Chief now says that he doesn't care about Bin Laden! Kinda fucked up Justice. Don't you agree? Blues, Cliff

[ pulling out early (sorry for the coitus interuptus reference) may cut some US losses but would undoubtedly, IMO, cause much greater losses in the long run... we should stay until more stability is gained... __________________________________________________ And I guess that is part of my question here. Since the invasion and occupation Iraq has become *less stable* not more stable.as far as I can tell. What makes you think that any more occupation time will lead to a "more stable" Iraq? Blues, Cliff

QuoteQuite seriously, Kallend, it would be much more productive if you would expound on your thoughts. I have an idea of what you meant, and your position may be valid, but ambiguous quips do nothing to further the discussion. __________________________________________________ I find Kallends' remarks force me to think more deeply (ouch it hurts!), and to further consider the subject matter. Blues, Cliff

I can't see that we've "won" anything. Should we pull out now and cut our losses? Any comments? Blues, Cliff

QuoteThe ONLY way to fix this racism problem is to END RACES... If eveyone was half black/white or hispanic, asian...whatever.....How could we get pissed at each other for the color of skin? __________________________________________________ Did ya ever see the Startrac episode where the people ast war with each other were vertically half black and half white? The difference was that some were black on their left side and the others were black on their right side. Now for sho' that's just a tv show. Thing is ,I can tell you that in todays black community blacks often discrimiate against other blacks according to their hue. No shit!!! Darker blacks are often looked at as inferior by lighter blacks. So what you gonna do? Blues, Cliff

QuoteI am very upset at the posts in here watermelon and KFC? what kind of shit is that? their is no need for that __________________________________________________ First skydiver from the ghetto??? That be a case of beer. Bring somethin other than Tecate, OK. Schlitz Malt Liquor be a good thing from my perspective. And you are so right! I really shouldn't have re-enforced those racial stereotypes! Certainly there is no *Truth* in them!!!! I mean really , Blacks hate watermelon and abhor the idea of masticating poultry flesh fried in pig fat!!! Jews are some of the most generous people I've met and they *never* whine. Catholic priests go flacid at the sight of an altar boy on his knees! Japanese men are *very* well endowed ! White men in business suits never talk too loud on their cell phones in restaurants saying "done deal" and "keep me in the loop".... Asian Indians (you know the ones with the "dot") never own Dunkin' Donut franchises or Motels 6. Their houses never stink! Puerto Ricans never grab their crotch in public! -- There are no *hot* blondes in Sweden!-- The English take very good care of their teeth! Irish people NEVER drink! And as far as Hispanics, I hate to lump them all into one category, and I'm not certain which variety you belong to. Are you Chicano, Mexican, Guatemalan, Puerto Rican, Brazilian, Venezuelan.., I mean, just how much Spic is in your Hispanic - give me a ratio to work with so I can figure out your racial profile. Exactly how much black blood, how much Spanish blood, how much white blood, I know you're a Mulatto but I need some percentages!! Oh well, chances are probably pretty good that you've never put hydraulics on the suspension of your car, hung dingleberries all around the interior, or dedicated a shrine to the Virgin Mary or Jesus Christ on the frickin' cross (complete with candles) in the rear window of your vehicle. There's just no chance of that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I can see how a reference to KFC and watermelon would probably upset a tough guy from "the ghetto". My most sincere apologies. Blues, Cliff White

QuoteQuote __________________________________________________ I've seen it first-hand for many, many years and honestly don't think it's a solvable problem. Nobody questions that blacks have historically been treated unfairly in this country, to put it very mildly. The problem that I see is that is has turned into a self-perpetuating thing. The level of hostility is constantly rising, which makes many whites resistant to finding any solution, which, in itself, raises the level of hostility. __________________________________________________ There is always Hope , Walt. As a matter of fact, that watermelon and a bucket of KFC sounds like a pretty good start. Blues, Cliff

QuoteNO I am no drone. I am the soldier who stands up to terrorism night and day. I am the one who defends your right to speak your mind. I am the person who not only knows of the thing we call the Constitution, but defend it for you. I am the one who says your welcom, weather you are greatful or not or weather you care or not. I am the one who will still stand for you no matter what I feel or how you feel about it. I am also the one who will say "Thank You", for weather or not I agree with or even like your views I am glad you express them. it makes my life worth while when it allows some one else to enjoy their freedom. Matt _________________________________________________ That's very nice of you ,Matt. However, I can look out for myself and my Freedom,thank you. Please don't kill anyone else in my name. Sincerely, Cliff

I was hoping you would post because you are completely unafraid to discuss racial issues in this country. Kanye West is an American black man with a hostile attitude toward the government. As you point out, that does not make him unique. Not even close. From my cracker point of view, it is a total joke when a rich black guy talks as if he is one of the oppressed ones. Kanye West is only one example. I think that this society in general and certainly the government has practically bent over backwards in dealing with blacks. Let's see. We need to give black people a free ride whenever we can because before most of them were born black people had it bad in some areas of the country. For the same reasons we need to let it slide when blacks commit crimes like in the LA riots after the Rodney King verdict. We need to accept substandard academic performance by blacks. We need to feel really sorry for them and give them special treatment because of things that happened way before any of us were born. We damn sure need to give them loads of free money in the form of welfare and God knows--we need to give them reparations. Yep. Walt __________________________________________________ Here is what's up ,Walt. Regardless of what is true the reality is that a large portion of the Black community are up in arms and fed up with their "lot in life". They hold many percieved injustices against the establishment(white folks). This is a cauldron that will boil over and it does in individual cases every day. So how can we lower the heat? Bush thinks that by bringing democracy to foreign lands he can stem the tide of terrorism. Is there a similar plan to minimize the cultural divide here at home? Blues, Cliff

__________________________________________________ Oh ! You must be "The" drone. Blues, Cliff

__________________________________________________ Well, not after it's been in your mouth. That's just icky! Blues, Cliff

[why would you want our president to go "home" when we are under attack? that doesn't make sense at all. it's probably a good time to remember there were 4 planes that day. 3 completely different crash sites. how do you know he wasn't a target? __________________________________________________ No one said anything about taking him to the white house. "Secure location" is the op phrase. Believe it or not the SS plans evacuation routes and destinations for every presidential appearance. In this case , where the country was,as stated by Andy Card to the president,"Under Attack", the protocal would be to immediately remove the president to a secure location, no questions asked. So why did these security profesionals allow him to sit in an unsecured location for at least twenty minutes? Could it be that they knew the targets in advance and knew that the president was in no danger? Blues, Cliff

Smily wink aside , I see what you are saying here. You think Mr West is a Nigger . Hey, it's OK to say it out loud. Nigger is defined as one who is ignorant. You believe that Mr. West is a hostile Nigger. Now that I've taken the pressure off , let me tell you something . Whether or not Mr Kaynes' statements are based in fact is really irrelevant . The fact is that many Black Folk hold the same belief. There is talk in the Black Community of a violent overthrow of government and forcibly taking reperations from the rich white people. Still smiling? How you gonna appease do 's Nigga's? Forty acres and a mule didn't work and I don't think a watermelon and a bucket of KFC will do it this time . Blues, Cliff

[Cliff, You are absolutely one of my favorite posters. Jesse Jackson does indeed express himself very poetically. The problem most people have is the content of what he expresses. I'll try to express my thoughts on him in a Jesse-like way: He's a race-baiter and a white-hater Got it in for the Jew boys too He's a corporate extortionist pimp Ain't no kind of take-shit-from-whitey kind of wimp And grandstadin' be what he like to do He cheated on his wife Had an out of wedlock kid Then had the gall to preach to Clinton After all that bullshit that he and Monica did That's ok, cause Jesse be cool He be the good Lord's REVEREND Jesse Jackson Talkin' to his flock about the Christian rules Jesse's been the man showin' us all the way To keep the hate alive Way better than the KKK Peace Out! Ok, so I'm no Jesse Jackson--thank goodness. As far as him being a leader, it's not clear to me that he represents anyone but himself. Walt _________________________________________________ Not a bad attempt, Walt, but you didn't use any series of three sylable word. Try that next time. It doesn't matter what they mean they just have to be there. Also some reference to reperations would help . Thanks. Blues, Cliff

__________________________________________________ I'll put a Jew woman's blowjob up against a Catholic Fathers fellatio anyday! Blues, Cliff

QuoteIf I agree with you, do I have to wear an aluminum foil hat so they won't know? __________________________________________________ Dude, You are paranoid. Hope you get help. At least get stock in Reynolds. Blues, Cliff