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http://www.zmag.org/reactionscalam.htm Here are some good articles well written that seem to have my same viewpoint.

Okokokok Im not trying to offend anyone here at all.. As for my opinion on nationalism.. Maybe feeling proud and patriotic towards your country is more of an instinct.. Seems humans are pretty territorial as it is.. I try and look at things more logically and.. The way I see it.. Where I'm born. I had nothing to do with how this country is the way it is today. There shouldn't even be any borders. And whether or not anybody thinks they have a say in how the country is run I don't think so. With about 40% (could be a little off) of the population voting and Bush winning by how many votes? So 20% of the population voted for bush.. Democracy is working full on right?! I don't know why people are getting mad at me... It's not like I agree with those terrorists and their actions.. Not at all. It was horrible.. Lets just say I don't particularly agree with how the government works. I do think before I speak my mind on here maybe you just interpret it wrong.. Anyways here is something written by Noam Chomsky.. Hes not saying America deserved it maybe just saying that its understandable how it happened. "Today's attacks were major atrocities. In terms of number of victims they do not reach the level of many others, for example, Clinton's bombing of the Sudan with no credible pretext, destroying half its pharmaceutical supplies and probably killing tens of thousands of people (no one knows, because the US blocked an inquiry at the UN and no one cares to pursue it). Not to speak of much worse cases, which easily come to mind. But that this was a horrendous crime is not in doubt. The primary victims, as usual, were working people: janitors, secretaries, firemen, etc. It is likely to prove to be a crushing blow to Palestinians and other poor and oppressed people. It is also likely to lead to harsh security controls, with many possible ramifications for undermining civil liberties and internal freedom. The events reveal, dramatically, the foolishness of ideas about "missile defense." As has been obvious all along, and pointed out repeatedly by strategic analysts, if anyone wants to cause immense damage in the US, including weapons of mass destruction, they are highly unlikely to launch a missile attack, thus guaranteeing their immediate destruction. There are innumerable easier ways that are basically unstoppable. But today's events will, nonetheless, be used to increase the pressure to develop these systems and put them into place. "Defense" is a thin cover for plans for militarization of space, and with good PR, even the flimsiest arguments will carry some weight among a frightened public. In short, the crime is a gift to the hard jingoist right, those who hope to use force to control their domains. That is even putting aside the likely US actions, and what they will trigger -- possibly more attacks like this one, or worse. The prospects ahead are even more ominous than they appeared to be before the latest atrocities. Noam Chomsky "

Ugh... I just read my post and it doesn't express my thoughts at all... I need to learn how to convey them a little better. Heh.

Michele. Thanks for replying! I kinda wanted to spark some discussion. Anyways. One thing I liked about his writing and one of the reasons why I posted it is his referral to Americans stereotyping all of a certain religion or national origin. Because one of the things I see right now are mainly people just pissed off not even thinking straight just wanting to go bomb countries. Now Im not down with that at all. It should take time and careful examination. Pretty much any violence is bad in my opinion. Also it gets into justice and all that yeh yeh which I have a viewpoint on yeah but justice is so controversial and it would take me awhile to type out. heh.. Another issue to look at is nationalism. I also don't agree with that. I'm a strong individual and while I may be thankful where I'm born I am not proud. I don't think that whoever did the attack would be stupid enough to leave all that stuff behind in a car either. A picture of Bin Laden? I think that's just too obvious. Aahhhh... I can't convey my thoughts right now very well!! Too excited for the weekend which will contain Stellar skydiving adventures! Maybe I;m too lazy! That's why I posted my compadres Words which I agreed with somewhat.. hahaha

Maybe he wrote it before that evidence was found. I dont know!

(this is what my friend Ani said...this is his opinion and i find it a quite educated one ..and ya that's why i'm posting it) "As of right this second, there isn't a shred of proof or even a government backed unsubstantiated accusation against anyone. One small good that comes from such tragedies is that the bigots and hatemongers who generaly hide their views come out in the open...so for the bigots, without a shred of proof, 450 million Arabs and over 1 billion Muslims have been indicted. Just like Oklahoma City...all the media was blaming Arabs and Muslims until they caught McVeigh. Then, even if it turns out to be an Arab or Muslim group who did this, which is purely speculation at this point, the bigots will continue to blame the entire ethnicity and/or religion simply because most Americans are too lazy and uneducated to learn the differences, which are just as diverse as those among "whites" and Christians. No one suggested after OKC that all white Protestants were represented by McVeigh...but its still acceptable to hate Arabs and Muslims collectively because most Americans are too lazy to learn anything about this 1/5 of humanity. As for the positive reaction of the people on the street in Palestine...just exactly what would one expect? For eleven months now, the US has been vetoing any action on behalf of Palestine while IDF terror troops use US made and supplied helicopter gunships and rockets to conduct large scale massacres against their people...lobbing US made and supplied missiles into Palestinian refugee camps, US made and supplied machineguns to gun down stone throwing children, US made and supplied bulldozers to wipe out their farms so the land can be stolen by settlers. Just how would one expect the Palestinians to react? Were the terrorist who attacked us today Palestinians? I doubt it, although no one knows yet. The fact is that there hasn't been a single Palestinian terrorist attack outside of Israel, the Occupied Territories, or the border areas of Israel since 1988. (One exception in Jordan). Most of the internal Palestinian groups (Hamas, Islamic Jihad, &c) are limited to that general area and incapable of a major operation in the US. The external Palestinian groups (PFLP, DFLP, &c) are largely dependent on state sponsorship (Syria, Iraq, et alia) and none of these states would allow such an operation bcause they know the US would bomb the shit out of them. The number one suspect is O. bin Laden, a crazy Saudi millionaire in Afghanistan. Contrary to the view of the bigots, he has nothing whatsoever to do with Palestine or Palestinian groups (yep, utterly shocking that not all Arabs share the exact same viewpoint). Instead, he's a militant Wahhabi Muslim (a sect that doesn't even exist in Palestine) that views the West in general as a corrupting influence on Islam, and has a particular hatred for the United States. The attacks today appear very similar to the coordinated attacks he arranged against the US in Africa a few years back. If he is responsible, we should definately get him, no doubt about it...but for now, its still just an "if". The big problem here is that terrorist groups are not states...and being generally hidden, it becomes a very slow and time consuming process to find those guilty, especially when the actual terrorists themselves are dead, as is the case here. It could take months to sift through all the wreckage, identfy the terrorists, then back track their lives to find their friends and associates, et cetera. The problem here is that the public is demanding blood now, which almost negates a proper investigation...justice plays second chair to political expediency and public pressure...so chances are Bush will just bomb someone who seems likely, or at least possible. In which case, Bin Laden and gang in Afghanistan would appear to be the lesser of potential evils...and also works from a political-diplomatic angle since there are no real ramifications to bombing the shit out of Afghanistan(remember how much press attention our last cruise missile attack against Afghanistan got? We bombed the shit out of a former Soviet airbase, turned into a Pushtun shepherd village, and killed thirty some odd women and children since the men were out with the flocks at the time...virually no reporting of this here though) So...whether guilty or not, I bet Bin Laden gets blamed...and guilty or not, this is least of possible revenge targets, so I have to support the notion, since to support anything else would be even worse. Bush has to kill someone and in view of this it might as well be bin Laden and gang." "~Ani"

Yeah I'd really like to know to. I mean I can't even really jump alone yet I gotta finish my PFF this weekend.. Which will be insane. Ive been saving up and this weekend will be epic. Im going to jump as much as possible.. Anyways yeah.. Head down .. Thats probably one of the first things I want to get into once Im on my own. It looks rad.

Ohhhh. I haven't been to the dropzone for like 4 weeks.. But I've been saving up.. In ten days its going to be epic. And damnit.. Winters coming. So maybe ill sell my car and move to New Zealand.

Thanks a lot!

Hey.. I remember a while back somebody posted a thread with an IP on it that contained a lot of skydive videos... I tried looking for it but no luck. If anybody knows it I was wondering if they could post it perhaps? Thanks. Bye.

Well.. I really get into my music and after I get to the point where I have my own liceanse and stuff like that I will probably try to work something out with music... It would add a whole new aspect to your jump. I love music and would dance my ass off on the way down. hahah.. Just cool music that pumps you up in some cases... Like Jimmy eat world? That song bleed american.. I love that. Or even some nice down tempo stuff if you just want to relax while your flying and just ovserve the scenery.. It does a lot to make your mood. Anyways... Bye.

I don't think I'd want a tattoo because if you are ever being chased by the law they can use tattoos as an identifying tool. YES I am planning on being a criminal.

Well I think it also has to do with what stage the beer was in while it was brewing.. If it wasn't completely done I'm sure it wouldn't be so good to drink. But I don't know a lot about that.

"I'm crazy and so am I" hahahaha that's SO awesome. I love that quote. Music. I like At the drive-in. Anybody else?

Hey everybody. okokokok First.. What is this RW I always here everybody saying? What does it stand for? Also... Just like a day or two ago the forum had more than the ten threads you can only usually see on the first page... I think 25 or something. I liked that a lot better! Anyway that will come back? Or is that in my settings somehow? Thanks. Bye.