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I'm all for it - when di you write YOUR congressperson and ask them to change something - or are you just another right wing couch potato hoping that things will go your way? wanna fight wars? Better pass a tax bill to fund it..... Don't want taxes, then stop fighting the wars.....and everything else that goes with it - Halliburton, Xe, outsourcing secret spying organizations, CIA external programs, FBi external programs, etc.

I hate to beak it to you but federal $$ have been funding states for decades- its not an 'Obama' problem

True, but federal, state and local tax dollars all filter down to pay their salaries, and thus influences their hiring and firing. It's naive to think that federal money does not affect how big a fire department gets or how well they are paid. And if Romney does not affect their wages, then why is campaigning like he does? I know, i know because he is a politician.... Go ahead and vote for Romney - it will be the biggest joke in 4 more years when the 'moderate' changes absolutely NOTHING.

why don't you go find that out? and then report back to us. The data posted is pretty relevant and demonstrates a hypocrisy on the right and a general misrepresentation of what is really going on in the country. But sadly, you won't see the Democrats doing anything to toot their own horn about their succeses and I have no idea why? We want them to be tough on immigration, yet the current administration has broken all time records on deportations. Romney wants to cut more and more government jobs, yet stands with NY City firefighters, 'understanding' their plight of low wages and needed a second job to make ends meet. Yet these NY City firefighters will probably vote for Romney.....duh?

walk down the aisles at Walmart. Try to find something made in the USA Now ask yourself "Why am I walking down the aisles at Walmart?" When was the last time you write a letter to ANY chain store or business in the USA asking them to please sell US made goods, not Chinese imports? grass roots efforts may help solve the problem. We created it and we can fix it.

Each will have deductibles and co-pays and I bet you spend more time fighting over who gets to pay what. Instead of one company denying your claim, you may end up with two.

so much for checklists.

you forgot the third choice in your poll: "I might have to hear the evidence and sworn testimony before I make my decision"

I never said nor suggested any such thing - you might want to read the thread again and try to grasp things in some form of context. What I suggested was that insurance companies will use the data to THEIR advantage. I never commented on whether that was good or bad. It will probably be good for driving statistics and accidents if they price people off the road. Look what a bunch of pissed off moms did for drunk driving.....

don't assume anything please. I expect rates for bad drivers will skyrocket with a documented path of repeated and dangerous driving patterns recorded..... It's not like insurance companies do anything really try to lower rates other than being forced to by regulation or sometimes competition.

black boxes will have a massive effect on car insurance rates and may very well cause social change in driving habits to occur. some good some bad. The insurance industry already has a pretty good handle on what driving habits are like, what causes accidents and what risk groups there are. nothing removes speculation like real data.....

http://www.dogsincanada.com/gander-a-canadian-war-hero Great story we told - from my home town (Gander). My Mom is sitting on the sled in the second picture.....

I thought only Boehner cried... https://www.google.com/search?q=boehner+crying&hl=en&sa=X&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&rlz=1I7ADRA_enUS414&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&ei=uCqQT9vsOMaltwfC9PHVBA&ved=0CFYQsAQ&biw=1600&bih=721&sei=xSqQT5X6CpKE8QSW0pnwAw maybe no one is crying because liberals are just trying ot get the job done, instead of crying about it....

http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_776.html Paragraph E, taxes do not look like a valid reason to the State Dept and the IRS

therein lies part of the problem. Bad legislation begins with good intentions and ends with poor writing. Hand-holding is there because 'gateway' could interpret it that way. want to write good laws? There is nothing stopping you.... Can't write good laws because you cannot define the problem,? Then perhaps there is no problem. That's the republican in me....or more like - that's the Ron Paul in me.

Debbie Laws in 2001. On Sept 11, 2001 about 2am, I took Debbie to the emergency room complaining of terrible abdominal pain. It was not her first trip for the same symptoms. She had been sent home before with fluids and pain relievers. X-Rays revealed nothing but little or no further testing was done. She had very basic Cobra (I think) due to a job change or she had just let it lapse, due to her financial situation. I remember distinctly her being very upset about not having (or the possibility of not having) insurance. I took her back home after 4-5 hours in the ER, with little relief, but they did not admit her, they did not prescribe more tests, they did not want to find out what the real problems were, they just wanted her to feel better and go home. I was driving back to my house when the 9/11 attacks occurred, but that is not the story here. Days later, back in the ER, Debbie is finally admitted as she is so much complete pain she cannot cope. They do the necessary tests and discover a kidney (renal) infarction and after some tests, they realize the kidney is dying and they remove it. Completely unnecessary. Had the ER admitted her earlier and done appropriate testing, they may have saved it. But they were not going to do that, nor are they required to. Saddled with medical bills, Debbie, who worked as a waitress, can never have enough money to pay, So she 'plays' the system as best she can, and gets herself declared 'disabled' at least to some degree. i have no idea of the intricate details of all that, but I know she was receiving some form of disability, and likely that helped to have the bills 'go away'. This ties directly to the poll in this thread. Passing the buck to dump the cost onto someone else. So in the end, healthcare was provided, but too little too late and the cost was borne by all of society. Did she do anything illegal? Not likely. She did the best she could with the programs that were in place. Instead of National Health paying for it, disability probably paid for it - different pot of money? Not really - it all comes from tax dollars. Had the diagnosis been made earlier, an aspirin might have stopped the blockage that caused her kidney to die. Certainly the treatment may have been easier and cheaper that the nephrectomy. Case #2. done. ER care DOES NOT in any way treat chronic cases or serious diseases. They operate on triage and they treat injuries/symptoms, then pass those cases onto specialists as needed, but ONLY if you have the ability to pay or your life is in immediate danger - often too late.

awesome post - thank you...

perhaps he did not have 'end stage renal failure'..... And even if he did, he needed treatment options before it got to 'end stage'

Phantom is the classic case. He is aging, has a failing liver. No insurance No way to buy insurance (and I forgot to add, not old enough to get Medicare yet) goes to the ER when he is really sick. Gets symptomatic treatment and gets sent home. They are not going to admit him for a long stay of advanced liver disease treatment and he cannot get to see any specialist since he has no insurance. Goes back to the ER when he is sick again - and again - and again He finally is so sick they have no choice but to admit him and he dies in a couple of days. People in this country are under a fucking delusion if they think that the indigent can get care in an emergency room. But everyone think that anyone with any illness can get treated there. bullshit. Phantom IS the real-life example of the broken healthcare system. And now he's dead.

it's not exclusively conservative nor democrat. ALEC is just another way for the citizens to NOT have a voice and for the lawmakers to be controlled and coerced by the corporations. Any politician that participates in ALEC should have full transparency to the public of what goes on inside. The citizens elect them and they should answer to us and us only. Secret stuff like ALEC should never be allowed.

So they sue her, and get little or nothing because she may -be out of work -unable to work -even if she is working, she does not make enough money to pay off perhaps hundreds of thousands in medical bills in a lifetime of working -the payments she can make (perhaps ordered by the courts) will not cover the bill - so the bill(s) as suggested by the originating poll, are STILL passed on to other facets of society. -the legal system that supports the function of lawsuits being able to be filed is PAID FOR and supported by tax dollars. So we have money to support the system to sue people over medical bills, and possibly never collect, but we do not have a system to support the medical bills in the first place. yeah that makes sense.......

The ER does not provide all treatment that is necessary for many medical conditions. that's why it is called 'emergency'. Chronic illnesses, disease, and cancers are seldom, if ever treated in an ER. You will receive symptomatic treatment and then be sent home or receive a referral that will not likely be honored if you do not have the ability to pay. Phantom is the perfect example of that. He died because he could not get the treatment he needed. When the ER finally admitted him because he was so sick they could not send him home, it was too late. Jim Kime, Phantom, the honorary mayor of Skydive City/Z-Hills, died because of the failed healthcare system in the USA. THat is a fact, but whenever I bring it up, I get accused by the right of being a whiner and 'tugging at heart-strings' Unnecessary So back to the poll.....

Tommy Piras going in did more for AAD sales than any other event in skydiving history. I bought mine right after that - there were no more excuses....

Skydive City Z-Hills. 7 days is a very tight schedule as does not allow much time for weather, and it assumes that you are at the DZ 8am every day, ready to go, and planning to work all day on whatever needs to be done. http://skydivecity.com/html/students/aff.html you can download the info packet from there,

that's about the stupidest example of 'hypocrisy' I have ever seen and even you, JohnRich, could do better than that - or maybe you can't..... One could applaud the President for following the tax law perhaps....