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Apparently you missed all the tens of thousands of posts, articles and doctrine out there that demonstrates that all these methods are only so effective and that unwanted pregnancies still happen despite all the 'personal responsibility' you might want to force upon the population. Then you want to 'force' them to have and raise that unwanted child. Doctors and women are the only two people that should be deciding any part of this discussion and everyone else should just shut the fuck up about it. 'person responsibility' versus a 'free country'

I think abortion ought to be retroactive in some cases....

belgian-draft-whatever: nowhere in this thread am/was I required to answer to your questions of what should or should not be made public so i will not respond to that. I started this thread and is what meant to be CONGRATULATORY in nature to the nobel nomination. I am for open government and transparency. Secrecy and murder, covert ops, etc. would be 'perfect in a perfect world'. I want the bad guys dead too. But I do not want innocent people sacrificed for the greater cause. If the drug dealer gets killed 'cause he's bad, then great. If the police get to decide who is good and bad at their own whim and then execute several people amoungst the drug dealer - some of whom are innocent - i want no part of it. I have no problem with Assange and what he has leaked. 'cause I believe he has enough common sense and he's a pretty smart dude to decide what should and should not be released (his organization et al, not just him). If he was a dumb-ass, he would not have been nominated for a Nobel. It's hat simple. It's not up to me to decide what should be leaked or public or whatever. I want OPEN TRANSPARENT GOVERNMENT. period. The people demand it. The Constitution requires it. Secrets just eventually rank us right up there with the eastern bloc in the 60's. [sarcasm] right where we want to be [/sarcasm]

the country is going to hell. We have the right that wants to do away with extremists yet they themselves are some of the most radical extremists. We may as well burn witches again. I actually have some faith in the system that cooler heads will prevail and people will demonstrate that at the polls.

[sarcasm] Absolutely - let's put everyone we don't like into a fake prison and hold them there without charge until we can 'figure out' who has jurisdiction [/sarcasm] Another large part of the constitution trampled on by so-called patriots.....

and then: talk about utopia - am i the only one that finds this to be hysterical?

thats fucked up dude....

And even I, as a pacifist, can appreciate the training that you have received and the actions that you go through. But the reality is that the US military, in its campaign(s), annihilates tens of thousands of civilians in the name of security, war, whatever you call it. I actually appreciate the soldier and the fighter and the infantryman, on the front lines. My objection is why you are there in the first place. My 'support' of the troops is to bring you home, not to have you over there killing people in a war that is/was a lie and then to pay for the reconstruction of countries that we have destroyed.

Yes but your 'comprehension' of the world is pretty fucked up, again your PERCEPTIONS and your OPINIONS, but most of us want to see open open government with transparency. Most people, even republicans and Christians want to see a fair trial.. no one is actually interested in lynching on own on 'hunch'

hey its Saturday morning, you should be calling 1-888-CARTALK

Really, where is that right defined......? Again, your opinion. Earlier posted corrected me on something which was quite spot on - alot of the Constitution is not about what personal rights ARE, but more about what the Government CANNOT do. I thought that was a great way of stating it. I agree with two posts ago - this thread is done for the most part. Assange is hated by many, loved by many. Traitor or Hero - with extreme views on either side. When he gets brought up on charges, proven in open court, and gets his day like anyone else would or should - I am all about it. When someone names the person who got killed or injured because of information he leaked, then I am also all about it. Diplomatic relations? I could give a shit - it is mostly a friggin' side show - look at the UN and tell me that ANY of what is said between governments really matters. (It's not what you say, it's more about what you actually do) Until that time, people can squawk all they want - it holds no water.

Assange has no charges filed against him in the USA. No departemnt of the govt has issued a warrant of any kind. No act of Congress has declared war on him. Nothing of any sort has been filed against him by the US government. So your statemnent that he is an 'enemy' of the state is simply your own opinion, which differs from mine. Rhetoric I am afraid. Rape, Enemy, Traitor, Treason - all sounds pretty good huh? So does Hero, Nobel, Justice, human rights, transparency..... Oh yes, I have a Constitutional right to say that by the way, and I have a Constitutional right to support pretty much whomever I like, with a few exceptions, Now when he is declared an enemy, and he gets his day in court with formal charges brought against him - I might change my tune depending on the evidence. And most likely it ill be a secret trial with secret witnesses and secret evidence - which is exactly what I (and he) abhors so much). Kind of like all those guys in Gitmo.....if you cannot make your case, the law says they are 'not guilty'. So glad that your 'gut feel' is so friggin' correct that you are willing to kill/attack/execute/whatever anyone who opposes yoiu in the name of the state..... regardless of whether you are right or wrong.

search florida corporations on the govt website and then look up Blue Sky Entertainment Inc. Note the "ACTive" corporation and then check the officers etc. Blii Richards is President and CEO. I think that whenever you get Joe, you are gonna get Billy, except maybe on Joe's home mortgage or something like that.

for the fourth time: No one has yet named a single incident of someone, something being put in danger nor a life that has been jeopardized, nor a foreign relationship that has been damaged by what Wikileaks has done.

hey before you go and call other people out for making you repeat shit, you have pretty much dismissed much of what I said, and I had to repeat it for you to make my point "especially for you" You need to take a chill-pill, this is a discussion, no one's life is on the line here.....

ditto

attacking the poster without any credible argument for the topic itself - well done

I get a great kick out of how you 'win' your argument by simply changing the words that I actually said - that's a wonderful technique. Maybe I should try it sometime.....but wait- I don't actually need to change your words, because mine make sense on their own.

your assumptions also include me supporting o-care or whatever you call it. You also assume that all the records aould be online and available, I realize the bill ALLOWS that to happen - does not mandate that this would happen. Then you also assume that someone gives a shiit enough about it that they would give it to wikileaks and you assume that wikileaks would give a shit enough about it to make it public. so your assumptions are many, HENCE my comment(s). I could go on but why bother, I already gave my stance on private information versus govt information and I ain't changin' it

that a pretty big 'hence' with a lot of assumptions that have no weight.

agreed, but like I said a few times in the thread, you and I just disagree on where the line is. FOIA exceptions are fine unless the guy setting those exceptions has another agenda, like torture or starting illegal wars for example

foreigners do not enjoy the right of freedom of speech here in the USA? News to me.

I have people here that stood up at City Council meetings in Zephyrhills and bellowed rather loudly "Martin Luther King Jr DIRECTLY caused the deaths of American soldiers". This was about 5-6 years ago. Yes there are people out there with pretty fucked up views. Amazing huh? That guy has the same freedom of speech rights as Julian Assange....

Spanish Inquisition: "You're a heretic and I know you're a heretic. Therefore I will torture you until you confess to being a heretic. Then we will kill you - for the good of your soul of course" Sounds stupid? It happens in the world probably every day. Any 'secrets' or abuses of power that move us closer to this I am against. Rendition, torture, secret trials, secret juries, unethical wars, and then secrets to justify those wars. Forget it. Me? Keep a secret? c'mon I thought I had your vote when i run for Congress.....

um, the headline said: "Top military official: WikiLeaks founder may have 'blood' on his hands" It still did not name anyone that had been harmed. Listen. Bottom line, if there was any damage done, fer sure FOX news and Glenn Beck would have dug it up by now and broadcast it all over the world. (well, at least their world) I understand the possibility of harm. I think Wikileaks probably did a pretty good job of vetting the info before they put it out. It seems that they are consistently doing that and it seems that the results are also consistent in that no one is being harmed. Show me that harm came to someone and I will probably change my opinion. (not I do not mean harm because some govt official or politician got embarrassed either)