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These claims are easily verified by a plethora of female skydivers. They are girlfriends of liberals who crave companionship of actual males, not namby apologists. Easily? OK.... Give me a name and phone number - I'll call and ask. And BTW, libs are much more adventurous in bed. We don't worry that the handcuffs and sex toys will anger Jeebus. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

If you're going to post every 1.5% decline, shouldn't you do the same for every increase? The early part of the week was strongly up. Given the way it's been lately, no surprise to see it decline at the end of the week. Well, we are at the same level now that we were at in April 07, so it did go up, and right back down to where it was a year ago. BTW now -2.4%. With this screwy market we will probably finish up for the day. It's seemingly not connected to reality anymore. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

Cool. But, what does that have to do with the price of rice in China? Consistency is over-rated anyways. So is civility. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

Seems like a silly reason to support unnecessary suffering, but OK. If one insignificant reason is "good enough" for you to support unnecessary suffering of seals, then surely you understand why others have their many reasons for not supporting assisted suicide. I understand that they have their reasons, yes. I just happen to put human suffering way, way above animal suffering, that's all. We're not going to change eachother's minds on this, so we can just diasagree. It might comfort you to know that I have never hurt a seal, and probably never will. (unless I am freezing to death someday in the arctic and need a coat) -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

Pain management doesn't always work. Docs are often afraind to prescribe what really works. There are so many docs getting investigated for prescribing painkillers that many people do suffer horribly when it is unnecessary. And no, I'm not FOR unnecessary seal suffering, but if they don't kill the thing with the first hammer blow to the head, I'm not going to stop the whole hunt. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

How does the seal hunt, in your opinion, benefit people? Food? Nope. The carcasses--after being skinned--are often left lying on the ice floes (apparently only your buddies, the polar bears, have an acquired taste for those). Pelts? OK, if you're like TOTALLY into fashion. Otherwise, what the hell do people need with pelts (i.e. fur)? Cool beans. Sign the petition. Pelts is good enough for me. I don't want one, and won't wear one, but if someone does, go for it. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

Overall and as a percentage of population, the USA has the most incarcerated people in the world. (now 1 in 100) So, do we have more crooks than anyone else, or do we just put them in jail more effectively? Is this high incarceration rate responsible for lowering crime? If so, why did NY have a bigger drop in crime than FL, when FL puts more people in jail? http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/28/AR2008022801704.html?hpid=topnews -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

Logical fallacy? I'm getting sick of the 'strawman....red herring, logical fellatio" attempts to invalidate someone's point of view. Please, just address what I said (which YOU did, but some do not). I think the debate, at it's heart, is about whether or not it is OK for animals to suffer if the outcome benefits people(food, pelts, etc). I think that in most cases, it is OK. It's causing suffering with no benefit that it wrong, IMO. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

I used the word "instantly" once and would have easily conceded it was not the best choice of word. No big deal to eliminate it. Do you have a response other than to debate "instantly"? Your statements about cancer and whether or not people care about that have nothing to do with the topic (your friend Wiki). Well, the speed of death and amount of suffering seem critical to your estimation of an humane death. So, if not instantly, how long is OK with you? 12 seconds? 2 minutes? 20 minutes? I mean, if you club a seal 5 times and it dies in 1 minute is that really any different than shooting a deer that then takes 5 minutes to die? which is more humane? What about bow hunting? Often you have to track a deer for a few hours, unless you get a perfect shot. It's all just a bit silly, in my book. Animals lower in the food chain die. We shouldn't go out of our way to induce suffering, but I'm not going to lose sleep over it either. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

No, I do care. I watched my mother die like that. I'm talking about giving those people options to end the suffering - which we have made illegal. So, as a society, we really don't care. Or we act like we care, but we will not do anything about it, which, to me, is the same as not caring. When an animal is sick and suffering, like a dog, we cry and realize that keeping the animal alive is selfish, and we put the animal down as humanely as possible. People can't make that choice though(even for themselves), so really we care more about animal suffering than human suffering. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

A key part of what this president terrifying. He's fucking oblivious. He's like Lloyd in "Dumb and Dumber" when he sees the old newspaper clipping hanging on the wall in the hotel bar announcing man landing on the moon and yells "Nooooooo way!! Hey everyone, we've landed on the moon!!!!" **shudder** -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

I'm just going to go ahead and get in the bread line now, so I'll get the soup while it's hot! (assuming they have soup in the bread lines.... I'll request chicken noodle - are you listening Dubya?) Bush: US is not headed into recession http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080228/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

When I shot a deer it didn't die instantly, and I used a high powered rifle. It died quickly, but nowhere near instantly. Few deaths in nature, or elsewhere, are instant. People die slowly and very painfully from cancer and other diseases every day. If we don't give a shit about their suffering, why care about a friggin seal? -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

Well, considering the thing looks like a hammer with an ice axe on the other side, I bet I'd figure it out in short order. Swing either side of that thing with good force and the seal is toast. And my point on the polar bear line is that nature is cruel and animals (and people) often must suffer. Like it or not humans in some parts of the world are still a part of nature. Not everyone gets their food from a supermarket, clothing from the Gap, and money from their job at Supercorp, Inc. *edited because I can't type and don't proofread. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

And now for the bad taste joke of the day: I told you the conservative movement was dying. I couldn't resist..... But hey, if we can make jokes about dead astronauts and such, Willy B. is fair game too! -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

Now why would the World Wrestling Federation have anything to say about it? I think Randy "Macho Man" Savage has Inuit roots. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

Well, as I can't get youtube at work, I'll have to guess that this is Hillary saying something that makes perfect sense.......... Considering the OP...... -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

Who is making sure that the polar bears kill them humanely? I'm not an expert either, but isn't a club to the head pretty darn humane? I mean, smash my head with a baseball bat and I probably won't feel anything after that. From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seal_hunting#Sealing_debate According to recent studies done by the Canadian Veterinary Medical Association (CVMA), the hakapik, when used properly, kills the animal quickly and painlessly. Several American studies carried out from 1969-1972 in the Pribilof Islands of Alaska came to the same conclusion.[30] The Royal Commission on Seals and Sealing in Canada, also known as the Malouf Commission, claims that properly performed clubbing is at least as humane as the methods used in commercial slaughterhouses, and according to the Department of Fisheries and Oceans Canada (DFO), these studies "have consistently proven that the club or hakapik is an efficient tool designed to kill the animal quickly and humanely." In 2005 the World Wildlife Fund(WWF) prompted the Independent Veterinarians Working Group(IVWG) Report, with reference to video evidence, the report states, "Perception of the seal hunt seems to be based largely on emotion, and on visual images that are often difficult even for experienced observers to interpret with certainty. While a hakapik strike on the skull of a seal appears brutal, it is humane if it achieves rapid, irreversible loss of consciousness leading to death." -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

What if baby seal blood was discovered to be the cleanest, most efficient fuel of the future? 1 drop could fuel your car for a year. But clubbing is the only way to extract the blood. Shooting them taints the blood somehow and renders it useless. Then what? -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

There is no crisis. Free markets regulate themselves. The worthless dollar is good for exports. US unemployment is lower than Canada and Europe. Our debt is not that big when you consider our GDP. Deficits are good!! Lower taxes magically generate more money for the government. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. I just thought I'd get that out of the way. You know it's coming anyway. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

That was great. But I wonder - what assets do the people at Disney have for intellegence gathering? I guess elves and fairies could be good spies.... ? -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

My bad. It only FEELS like Bush has been president for 20 years. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

Typical of the Bush admin, they let the fox guarden the henhouse: Industry critics say the staff shortages are compounded by a change in USDA regulations in the late 1990s that gave slaughterhouses more responsibility for devising their own safety checklists and for reporting downer cows to the USDA when inspectors are not present. That policy places slaughterhouses on an honor system that can lead to abuse in an industry that thrives on close attention to costs, said Stan Painter, chairman for the National Joint Council of Food Inspection Locals, which represents 6,000 inspectors nationwide. "The fox is guarding its own henhouse," said Painter, who also works as a part-time inspector at hog and poultry packing plants in the South. "If you throw a three-pound chicken away, so what? But if you throw a cow away that's 300 pounds of meat, and you can't get any money out of it, that's a big issue." Full Story: http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080221/slaughterhouse_abuse.html -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

I only said kids since such a large portion of the beef went to school lunch programs. And though it sounds funny, people have dies from this disease. It's not outside the realm of possibilities. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.

This made me think of when Homer Simpson forgot his driver's license and was shocked when the car started up anyway. -------------------------- Chuck Norris doesn't do push-ups, he pushes the Earth down.