Ok, A little revision... The DZO is so short staffed, and this guy is basically the DZ B*ITCH, therefor he simply puts up with "that guys" shit. Its just about all the jumpers at the DZ who want "that guy" outta there! Now, our DZ is rather small and no one likes humiliating "that guy" to the point of him leaving(with the exception of a couple of people here,) so we need a combination of indirect and direct things to do to "that guy" inorder to try get rid of him!! THanks again for you suggerstions. DUiTCHBAG "Just put it in my mouth!!!"