ya, I only do a few skydives a year, maybe bridge day, I am ok with f111, like you said , as long as you do not load them up to bad. For a strickly skydiving canopy z p is the way to go for most people. I never jumped tired f111, but I have seen a few tired rags sold to new jumpers, and I watched them thump in!!! And, then you here these people say, man don't buy one of those, I had one they are crap, go figure.