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BTW: There are actually 4 different sketches of Cooper. In 1988, Florence Schaffner, had the sketch re-drawn because she said it never looked like Cooper. So, the main witness, said the sketches from 1971, never looked like Cooper. Interesting, that there are more sketches than witnesses. That is the problem with cases like this. People try to become part of big cases, and exaggerate their recollections. Only 3 people had a look at Cooper, and knew he was a hijacker. The three flight attendants. The passengers were unaware of the hijacking, and the crew never left the cockpit. So, all three witnesses, the three stewardesses, were all under 25 at the time, and had little experience in the air. The man sitting across from Cooper, a 20 year old male college student, never knew Cooper was jacking the plane. He described Cooper as medium build, 160, and was wondering why he was wearing sunglasses on a rainy day. Of course, he found out later. jacko

For those younger viewers, and older, who want more information about this crime, in order to make a more educated opinion regarding the claims on this site. Below is a link, where Tina Mucklow, who sat next to Cooper, states, he never took off his sunglasses. http://web.archive.org/web/20030808172520/http://www.dccomix.com/roadkilldiaries/dbcooper.htm The following, is an article with Sky and some reporter. In this, Sky states she was told by Duane in 1979, that "is where Cooper came out of the forest", and "maybe, I was on the ground". remember, Sky says he never heard of DB Cooper, until 1995. She barely knew the name, yet, her husband says that is where Cooper came out of the woods, and she doesn't ask him, who's Cooper, or anything. Not to mention, Duane's "leg" injury, is not a leg injury, but, an arthritic knee, which is caused by wear and tear, not necessarily a skydiving accident. I thought the story was a leg injury, not a chronic arthritic knee problem. Two seperate medical conditions. http://www.oregonlive.com/printer/printer.ssf?/columnists/boule/00/0803_boule.frame I hope this clears up some of the confusion. I do know this quote from Tina, is just that, a quote. Who's more reliable, a witness who sat next to Cooper, and could visibly see if he was wearing sunglasses, or some sketch artist who wasn't even on the plane. jacki PS IF the links aren't working for the above articles, simply "copy" them, and paste them on the url line in another window.

Jerry I respect your posts, but, I must ask. Do you know the whereabouts of Ted while Cooper was on the plane? If so, were you with Ted, and what were you doing? IF you can vouch for Ted, we can move on, and go back to debating Duane. Either that, or you know who Cooper is. It must be one or the other, since, you stated you know Ted is not Cooper. jacko

Actually, the FBI description above is not accurate. In addition, in Himmelback's book, he said, that estimates of height, weight, and age varied, depending on which witness. On the FBI website, Cooper is described as: 5"10-6" medium to well built "possibly" brown eyes. So, the brown eyes, was never a definite. As a matter of fact, Cooper kept his sunglasses on the entire time he was on the airplane. Just look up Tina Mucklow's quote's, and you will find it. "he never took off his sunglasses", is the quote. Normally, when bank robbers, hijackers, etc, wear a disguise, they normally keep the disguise on during the crime, otherwise, it isn't really a very effective disguise. LIke I mentioned above, the height is 5;10-6" Himmelback mentions in all articles, that he was looking for a "compact" man. The name, "compact" continually comes up in Himmelbacks book. By definition, "compact" means, to put a lot, in a small space. According to KOIN, TEd is 5"8. Put a man, dressed in all black, with a long black raincoat, with dress shoes, which almost all have heels, especially in the 70's, 2 inch difference in height is not that significant. Plus, if you read the details. Cooper entered the airliner, and immediately sat in the last row. HE gave the note to the stewardess: She went to the cockpit, and gave a height, weight, and age, estimate, based on a man who was sitting. So, can you tell the height of people who are sitting? Cooper sat the entire flight, which is extremely unusualy for hijackers. He stayed in the back of the plane, and only left his seat, once the plane landed in Seattle, in order to glance out the windows. So, we have a man, seated, in all black, on a airplane, with low ceilings, in a stressful situation, and the estimate is 2 inches off, so he should be eliminated? So, those are the facts. AS for the hair color. IF you look at the photo's on the web, it appears his hair was already gray by 1971. The witnesses, said Cooper's hair was "shiny", which made them think he was wearing a "wig", or dyed his hair. Also, in Himmelback's book, estimates of age, height, and weight, varied by witness. Someday, ask a police officer, or a FBI agent, just how dependable witnesses are when required to give a physical description of a perp. They will tell you, that people are horrible witnesses. Usually, the closer someone is to the age of the perp, the better the description is regarding age. It's also true, that men are better at guessing age, and height of men, and the reverse is true, for obvious reasons. jacko

I always suspected it would be a local jumper. I just can't imagine jumping over a foreign DZ. especially at night, at 160 knots, and with the law chasing me. Imagine landing in some power lines, or on a mountain, or trees. I think the most important part of that piece, is that the investigators can place the guy in Oregon on that day, and that he was not checked out by the FBI, and was a diver, with a record. and, here, I thought the FBI had checked everyone out, who was a diver. Makes you wonder, what did the fBI do all those years? Just think at how many divers were looked at by the feds, and here, they don't even look at this guy? Does he look like the sketch of Cooper at all? jacko

First of all, I never accused sky of being a crook. According to sky, she never met Duane until the late 70's. I have no reason to doubt that story. Yes, I'm a diver, not that it matters, or is a pre-requisite to view or add to this site. Sky isn't a diver. I've been viewing this site for months, long before posting. Been following the case, for years, and have a different perspective. Must say that I know every detail of the case. FTR: This is a forum, on DB Cooper, and Sky is claiming is be the "widow of DB Cooper". there are 1,000 other suspects, so, we have a right to question her claim. We have every right to question her claim, and ask for proof. Plus, saying you are the "widow of DB Cooper", is in my book, a slap in the face, as if, it is some type of badge of honor. BTW: yes, I am upset that a person could terrorize two women, ruin their enjoyment of being a stewardess, having one quit the airline, and the other go into hiding. That really gets me mad. Not to mention the poor publicity for the sport. Many think that diver's are reckless, beer drinking, adrenaline junkies. So, Cooper shouldn't be made into a folk hero. FTR: Sky has been trying for years, to get someone to write the story of Duane, and hers, and get it published. And maybe, a movie. So, this isn't just about the truth. It's about the almightly dollar, and fame. BTW: anyone get a PM today? jacko

Regardless, of what you think, when the stewardess on the plane, states that Skyjack's husband is not Cooper, how is that cruel? Whether you think her husband is Cooper or not, doesn't change the fact that the FBI closed the case on Duane, because there wasn't enough evidence to proceede. That was back in 1998. On top of this, it someone stole 200,000 of your money, terrorized your wife, and made your spouse have nightmares the remainder of their lives, I think you would have a different take on this case. Cooper caused a lot of damage that night, and to think he should be remembered as some type of icon, or folk hero, makes me ill. Quite frankly, if I suspected one of my family members was Cooper, I would not try to advertise it, or prove it, but, avoid the embarassment of having such a crook in my family. This isn't a tv show, or a movie, this is real life. That night, caused emotional distress to the crew, and caused one member of the crew to leave the airline, and another, to go into hiding. Cooper is a no good, callous, crook, who terrorized women, and should be remembered for what he is, a coward. Sky came to our forum to share "her" story, and to find evidence to prove Duane is Cooper. Sky even noted she wanted the truth. We have given the truth, about the case, and sometimes the truth is not what we want to hear. I just don't see how it could get any clearer, that when one of the stewardesses says, hey, he isn't DB Cooper. Sorry, but, according to the KOIN interview, that is exactly what happened. At the same time, why isn't it a relief, that your husband is not responsible for terrorizing women, and stealing money? I would think, you would be proud of your husband, for turning his life around, and not reverting back to being a criminal again? jacko

Well said. I have a very hard time believing why a person would memorize a 20 year old plane ticket. Sky memorizes the date, airline, and destination. And, she also reads it aloud to her hubby. Yet, she never thought to look at the name on the ticket? What was the purpose of even looking at the ticket to start with? Would a 24 year old ticket even be legible due to the ink vaporizing due to age, heat, and light? Sky, you act as if you had limited knowledge of Cooper when Duane confessed in 1995. Yet, You admit, that Duane pointed to an area in the forest, and said, that is "where DB Cooper came out of the forest". You said, how do you know, and he said, "maybe I was on the ground". Sound familiar? So, in 1979, you were fully aware of Duane's "possible" connection to the Cooper case. You knew about the case, admittedly, since it happened in 1971. You admit Duane was having nightmares about leaving prints on the aftstairs. You admit seeing a ticket stub dated 11/24/71, from Sea-tac to Portland, NW airlines, and didn't bother to check the name. You remember Duane mentioning he had a limp from skydiving. So, we are supose to believe that in 1995, you had no idea who Cooper is? Please? Remember, you have a photographic mind. Not to mention, that according to you, Duane looks just like the one sketch. Regardless, I have a hard time believing Duane has ever been skydiving, even once, in his life. IF you want to quash the critics, like me, all you have to do, is to get proof Duane was in Oregon on that day, Duane was a skydiver, or GEt the stewardess to change her mind. You know, the one who said your husband was not Cooper. I know Duane is a chameleon. But, it's pretty hard to take duane's face, and hairline, and make it look like the sketch from Unsolved Mysteries, or to take a thin man, with a big nose, big ears, and small neck, and turn him into a compact, stocky, balding, middle aged man. Call me what you will, a troll, a catcher (I thought that is a baseball term), or whatever, Truth is, Duane is, in my opinion, just one of about 100 men, who confessed to being Cooper, on their deathbed, in order to gain attention, just one last time. BTW: What do you want out of this? Should we build a memorial of Duane in WAshington, next to the guys who died in Viet Nam? Or change the name of the "cooper" vane to the Weber vane? jacko

It was being re-tooled. jacko

Good point Brenda. BTW: Does calling yourself the "widow of DB Cooper get you a better table at your favorite restaurant"?, or does it simply get you seated next to the air marshall on your next plane trip? Anyway, I have a limited education, but, as a bartender, I can tell the difference between a story, and the truth. For example: You stated that in the early 90's that you held an airline ticket in your hands, that was dated 11/24/71, and was from Sea-tac to Portland, and was Dan Cooper's. So, how is it that you said in the hospital, you didnt' know the name Dan Cooper, when Duane said he was Cooper. Is this the truth? If not, and you didn't know about Cooper, why in the world would you remember the date, airline, cities, and name on a ticket, that was in the tax files, of a man you weren't even married to at the time? Why would anyone care about a twenty year old plane ticket, and why would any memorize the name, cities, airline, and date? It is because of this claim, that Himmelsbach became interested in your story. Then, when the time came, the airline ticket mysteriously vanished. It doesn't add up. You said Duane probably threw it away or buried it, but, why would he keep it for 20 years, and then get rid of it? Doesn't make sense to me. Either you knew who Cooper was back in the early 90's, or the airline ticket never existed. In addition, we are supposed to believe that Cooper planned everything to a "t", according to Mayfield's line, and then Cooper can't remember where he buried the money? Doesn't make any sense. If Duane had buried the money in a bucket, and couldn't find it, then how in the world did he find 3 packets, and according to you, throw them into the Columbia river, in 1979. FTR. The hydrologists who examined the site along the Columbia river where the 6k was found, said the money was in the sand for years, probably since the time of the heist, or soon thereafter. If Duane had saved 6k of the bills, why didn't he simply keep one of the bills, put it in a safety deposit box, and tell you to sell the story when he dies? Or is this what is happening, minus a 20? Also, you state Duane hurt his leg in the jump. Well, how did he get from southern Washington to California, with a severe leg injury? Who drove him, where did he stay? How is it you can place him in California in 1972? What does Duane being in California in 1972, have to do with the hijacking in Portland in November of 1971. Time to find proof, instead of stories. Find the man who trained Duane to skydive, find "ONE" photo of Duane skydiving, or have Robert Knoss come out of hiding, and tell us how he knows Duane was trained as a skydiver in MN. Heck, you found the "alledged" sunglasses, and briefcase, certainly, you can find a photo of the suit, or Duane diving, or part of Cooper's chute, the ransom note, etc. Also, how is it, that not "ONE" person, no relatives, no ex-wives, no skydivers, nobody, called in Duane's name to the FBI as a suspect, from 1971-1996? According to you, he was a trained skydiver, you think resembles the "ONE" sketch, and his criminal background, why didn't anyone call in his name? until you did in 1996, and the fbi blew you off, according to your own words. I know you claimed to be married to Db Cooper, and most people disagree. Thing is, you have spoken to Cooper, you just didn't know it. Also, isn't it true on the KOIN show, the men said that the stewardess was shown a photo of your husband, and the stewardess said that your husband was NOT DB Cooper. Is this true? I was told to use my head, and this is what I came up with. jacko

I agree with Bozo. None of us trying to be cruel. We are simply pointing out "holes" in the story. Calling someone a "troll", simply because they disagree with your story, is not a cool thing to do. IF you want to fight back. Get a picture of Duane skydiving, or a name of the doctor in Ca. who treated him for the alleged leg injury, or have the Robert Knoss guy come out of the Witness Protection Program, or the skydiving instructor who taught Duane in the late 60's, or the name of the skydiving center. BTW: Inside Edition re-ran the episode about Cooper and Mayfield tonight. I missed the first running, and had to catch it on the web. No mention of Duane in the piece. Skyjack, why don't you contact Inside Edition, and get them to run your story? jacko

I agree with Mark. Changing prints at one prison, would not change your prints in the entire federal and state system. To think, that a prison, would allow prisoners access to fingerprint cards, is very difficult to believe. Why not just give them a key to their cells. Plus, if he did change the print cards, how did he get out to prison? Don't the prison's re-print inmates upon release, and check their prints, and photo's, to make sure they are releasing the right prisoner? Let's assume this happened. Then, why was Duane having nightmare's that he left prints on the aftstairs in 1978? Heck, his prints had been changed in the system, so, the prints on the jet would not match his anyway. It's a great story, but, is it a story, or the truth. James Frey wrote a wonderful book, turns out, he took commercial license with certain things. I get the feeling, the same is happening here. Jacko.

If you took the time to read through the whole thread, you'd find that she just not that long ago realized her ex husband may have been involved in the skyjacking and then started her research. I hope she can finish putting all the pieces together before her time is up. Not true, Duane Weber's name has been associated with the Cooper case since 2000, when a reporter did an article about Weber in Newsweek or US world magazine. That is over 7 years ago, and in the article, weber admits knowing about her husband possibly being cooper since 1995. So, we are talking about a minimum of 7 years, max, of 12 years. What is the definition of not long ago? Plus, it this Robert Knoss is such a dangerous name, then, why is his name on winnepeg? Maybe for his safety, it should be removed. It's true that people can change their appearance, but, it is difficult to change from a man witht a full head of hair, to one who is balding. Also, we heard this story about robert knoss. Ok, so, who taught Duane how to fly airplanes? Cooper knew flap settings, about gear, aftstairs, range, etc, not something a non-pilot would have on the tip of his tongue during a hijacking. Plus, I heard a report that the fBI had closed their case on Duane, since there isn't any evidence suggesting he is Cooper. As a matter of fact, the only reason the FBI opened a file, is because someone called Himmelsbach 100 times, and got him to phone the FBI and have them open a file on Weber. Truth be told, without Himmelsbach, who now doubts that Weber is a good suspect, Weber would have never even been considered. Seems like himmelsbach was told of an airline ticket from Seattle to POrtland in the name of Cooper, and then when pressed, this ticket somehow vanished. Interesting. jacko

I must have missed it, but, was this question answered. Who is this Robert Knoss? So, he knew Skyjack's husband, and that he used Dan Cooper as an alias? If true, why would someone use a known alias, to hijack a plane, when other's are well aware of your use of this alias, and your skydiving expertise? Doesn't make any sense to me? Cooper only had to give the name once, so, it's not like he had to memorize the name, ss#, address, etc. Back in 71, you didn't even need id to by a ticket to board a plane. If true, why didn't Knoss call the FBI, and collect the reward? And how could he remember an acquaintance's alias, years later? WAs Knoss the instructor who taught Weber to dive? Cause i've never heard of him. What was the name of the instructor? What skydiving center, as I've been to a few in the midwest? jack

Hi Jerry Ya, that is my understanding also. The armed robbery resulted in no jail time, just probation or a suspended sentence. Makes sense he got a job driving a garbage truck. According to the one article, Ted used to drive for 7-up in the mid 60's until he got popped for the armed robbery. So, it doesnt' sound like Ted would have served any time with skyjack's husband before the Cooper hijacking. Funny thing, the one show mentioned that TEd knew the FBI agent who investigated the Cooper case before the hijacking. According to the show, Ted called this guy 2 hours after Cooper jumped, and said that he didn't want him to think he was the hijacker. Sounds strange. Why not wait and see if the FBI catches the guy first? I wonder if Ted ever had a regular job after the Cooper case? It is kind of a strange coincidence. jack

My two cents I've seen the youtube story, and articles about Ted in the paper. According to the two guys on tv, it seems Ted was nailed for armed robbery in 1971, just before the Cooper heist. Then, as mentioned earlier, the stolen plane which resulted in jail time in 1977. Then, he has the two counts of criminal negligent homicide from 1994. Someone else mentioned he got nabbed for stealing electricity during the mid-80's. So, it does appear that teddy has seen the inside of the county and federal jail systems. I hope that clears things up. I can't believe he told skyjack he had only been in jail for a "civil" matter.