deltron80

Can't be as foolish as saying there is NOT A SINGLE HISTORIAN ON EARTH that is an orthodox Jew or Southern Baptist. You tend to avoid actual facts, preferring to make sweeping generalizations like the cow patty above. Citing a single book isn't exactly support for your claim. Or can you prove there were no anti Jew Pogroms before WWII? This should be a pretty easy factual statement to prove or disprove. It's not a subjective interpretation of reality. I'm not trying to prove there were no anti Jew pogroms before WWII anywhere...not really the point The fact that all of your rebuttals are semantics arguments doesn't really help move the conversation forward. The book I suggested was just a simple text book. I'm sure you can easily find just as many things in there to support your distorted view as to oppose it. I didn't think you knew very much about the Middle East based on what you were saying so I was just suggesting a good general history on it, that's all. We can agree to disagree..the only sweeping generalization I can really make is that the final historical inevitability is that Israel/Palestine will eventually be a either a single unified state or a charred nuclear wasteland one of the two. I am very certain of that.

I'm not saying you are unintelligent, but we are all subjected to massive amounts of pro-Israeli progadanda every day as Americans and a lot of it is total lies so you need to be very cautious forming opinions.

It is Amazon & Kelpdiver who need to read up on their history... Try reading a history of the Middle East not written by an orthadox Israeli, Southern Baptist, or Glenn Beck. I'm not trying to put you down, but don't you think if EVERY HISTORIAN ON EARTH disagrees with you that you might want to modify your understanding of events slightly? I mean come on you just sound foolish now. I will go research this shit for you if you like, but I know you won't read what I send you. Feel free to call me out and I know you will since you are obviously too lazy or stubborn to read a book that contains boring & stale FACTS. I don't mean to offend you, but you are pushing my buttons with this bullshit. Start with a simple text book such as: A History of the Modern Middle East by William L. Cleveland I don't even think this will change your opinion...but I do think it will dramatically moderate your opinion on the subject.

Does this stat include the West Bank and Gaza Strip? When I say "Israel" I'm referring to the entire territory including the Arab ghettos. Let's not compare apples & oranges. it won't change the math any - Israel is surrounded by just under 200M residents in countries with a history of trying to destroy it. That's like a 30:1 ratio. A couple of those nations are OPEC members with significant oil wealth. Yea I'm pretty afraid the Mexican Army is going to wipe out the US army too. Makes total sense look at all those brown people down there oh shit!

Does this stat include the West Bank and Gaza Strip? When I say "Israel" I'm referring to the entire territory including the Arab ghettos. Let's not compare apples & oranges.

I was thinking more about the body count of who has been killed on each side...not who is still alive lol The ratio of whites to blacks in South Africa did not justify apartheid. The ratio of whites to blacks in the Southern US did not justify slavery. The ratio of Jews to Arabs in the Middle East does not justify Israel's treatment of their non-Jewish population. Sorry, but history will prove this one out whatever opinions we have.

The Jews are clearly not the underdog here... Look up the body counts if you would like the current score. It's quite lopsided actually. I don't really care which side wins, but I consider the underdog to be the ones who are fighting with rocks thrown out of their concentration camps, while being mowed down with guns.

probably should find those people, first. It's hard debating anything with a person who makes up so much bullshit, so many beating your wife postings. If you don't believe that, then why do you think Israel has exclusive rights to that land? I'm not making anything up lol.. I don;t even give a shit which side wins they're both assholes as far as I'm concerned I just tend to root for the underdog.

I'm not sure what we're arguing about any more or what exactly you're referring to there. Let's summarize: So far it seems like you all support "Israel" over the "Palestinians" because "Arabs hate Jews." Now we've moved on to debating chicken or egg? I don't think that's an argument you'll win, but alright. :) It's hard to debate "facts" with people who think an immortal man in the sky declared a strip of desert should be a concentration camp.

I'm pretty sure I never denied that both sides hate each other... but as for the Arabs starting the entire thing....not so much lol Most Arabic countries have historically been bastions of tolerance with all religions living in harmony for hundreds of years. I'm not sure why you think they "hated" the Jews before they actually went there, seized land, and declared a state for themselves only. That tends to ruffle peoples' feathers lol. But yes, at this point both sides seem to hate each other and you still haven't really provided a reason why you are choosing a side so I just assumed it must be race.

ap·par·ent (-prnt, -pâr-) adj. 1. Readily seen; visible. 2. Readily understood; clear or obvious. 3. Appearing as such but not necessarily so; seeming: an apparent advantage. I know ...it's kinda baffling, but you would probably have to ask the Arabs why they treat the Pals with such disdain ...apparently racist-like. It is the Arabs that ran the Pals out of their "countries" and keep them in "camps" ...and the Israelis that offered them citizenship. Someone else treating refugees poorly doesn't make you any less racist...not sure where you're heading with this line of reason...that since Arabs fight amoungst themselves it's ok to think they are inferior? LOL ok

Despite the fact that Israelis are brown and thus partially evil, Arabs are much browner and therefore more evil. They also have more beards. They both smell equally bad, however.

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The only logical solution to this problem is to kill all non-Jews. SO SIMPLE DUH!!!

How much is old gear like that worth? This guy has obviously taken good care of it if he's willing to jump it. Must be worthwhile to save for sure.

Listen to your instructor when he tells you to land in the golf course.

sounds like the paranoid delusions of a person who has lost all sense of reality. perhaps it was nancy reagan

Exactly... They insist upon having an exclusively "Jewish" state. This is their fundamental problem. They think that having a Jewish state will eliminate the possibility of another holocaust. They forget that theocratic police states generally antagonize those who do not practice the majority religion...lol Freedom of religion and 'separation of church and state' don't exist in Israel.

We're killing a lot of innocent women and children as well, not just "smelly bearded men." Please don't promote genocide. Thanks

I must have missed where he said "and you better believe it too" - can you point it out for me, or were you just projecting? I believe he implied it by saying we were living in "gross denial of the truth" LOL

watch what you say to this witch doctor he might do some voodoo on ur ass

Remember when they took hostages in a US embassy IN IRAN after the US had overthrown their government and installed a dictator for several decades? What a self-righteous fantasy land you must enjoy. The marine barracks... in Lebanon? I tell you what - how about you dry up your tears and actually have a cry when Iranians start killing people inside America and not where America sets up camp and kills others - maybe people will take you seriously. humorous & very true... people get so angry when countries we invade actually fight back lol

You should drink an entire pot of coffee followed immediately by a case of beer. This method works for me.

Persians all want us to invade Iran to "free" them? Somehow I doubt that.. lol And yes, we have killed lots of them in the past: We heavily subsidized Iraq's side during the Iran-Iraq war and I'm fairly sure millions of Iranians died in that conflict. We also fully supported the Shah's regime which imprisoned and killed lots of Iranians. (they don't call us the great satan for our delicious KFC I assure you ;)

I still own my soul and I'm damn proud of it, thank you... I agree with Bill. When we start to rationalize the killing of their civilians as 'collateral damage' while remaining outraged about the killing of our own civilians is where the problem begins (on both sides).