GroundZero

Paul, When you respond like this...politically, you need to ask Sangiro to remove the "greenie" jacket. Even though this may be the talkback forum, you represent the forum in an official fashion... This can have implications on revenue from advertisers. I think that this forum is primarily funded by advertising. I do not agree with any posts made. I am a manufacturer that spends money here to advertise. Because I try to sell my products to everyone here, I refrain from responding in controversial topics... (I don't want to piss off anyone.) I simply ask that you (and Sangiro) remove your "green" badge when you make comments that are not supporting your status as "moderator". As an aside, I completely disagree with your thoughts on this topic. Chris Martin Precision Aerodynamics chris@NOSPAMprecision.net 423-949-4688

There's your answer... NO. Riggers use technical terms for describing "tight" reserve packjobs... cramming, forcing, packing fudge... (no, wait... I think that's a different reference.) The containers are test dropped by the container manufacturers. They know what will meet the deployment requirements... go with their numbers. (Or, don't be afraid to loose fingernails in the reserve container as you try to scratch the damn thing open at 500'.) Consider the concept of banking. I really don't mean to be rude, but too many people are soley concerned with small, with zero consideration for function... The 7 cell 0-3cfm canopy (reserve) will not perform like the 0-p elliptical canopy in 120 sq. ft. (or as well as the same in 97 sq. ft.) At 120 lbs, your exit weight is ~140 lbs., at 231 jumps (from your profile, I know... it hasn't been updated recently and you now have 1000 jumps), you have far more risk flying this type of canopy into the small backyard that the low deployment/bad spot left you. You NEVER need to hurry into next year's purchase... put the money in a bank, sleep on your decision overnight. Sincerely, Chris

Tell David I said Hello... Nice guy! Chris

Actually, I ...think... the protrack showed an exit altitude of something like 6400'... meaning it started over... it was borrowed from a friend (before I owned one) and I did not know how to use it or download to jumptrack.... All I know was that it did not read the obvious time... I do think that I got the exit altitude from it though... later... I seem to recall that he called me later saying that there was a jump listed on there from 23,800. Not sure about any information from that jump... but I've owned one for about a year (with Jump-Track) and I kept getting pissed when I couldn't break the 119 second time barrier. (No, I still haven't read the manual... Have you?) WHEN WILL SOMEONE OFFER SOMETHING THAT WILL RECORD LONGER! Chris

entirely true story...

here's one most here may not have heard... "chest Fever"... three dog night... shit am I giving away my age?

does a neptune count more than 119 seconds... I did a wingsuit from 24000 and read 57 seconds on the protrack... The tandem, open at 5000' was on final to land as I deployed... wingsuits for sure... high altitude... Chris

When I met her, she wasn't a skychick... she was sitting across from me on a DC-3, getting ready to be a skychick... and there I was hauling her big-ass boyfriend. She was terrified. Her Tandem instructor was falling asleep. Her boyfriend wouldn't shut-up... kept telling me he wasn't skeer'd... (We all know what that means.) I sat there feeling for and falling in love with this beautiful creature, (while trying to entertain my tandem student...) We got to altitude too soon, we all jumped, she hated the experience, her boyfriend loved it... (I made sure he would, he had to come back...with her!) He completed AFF, became a very good skydiver and a very good friend. Since that time, she made a second jump, hated it even more. Broke up with the boyfriend and married me. We celebrated our daughter's first birthday 2 days ago. She makes me happier than I've ever been. I love you Kristi! Very recently, she commented that she could see how I love skydiving and asked if I would take her for a Tandem, (I have never asked her if she wanted to try it again.) We had a great skydive, and as soon as she landed, her first words were, "The next one is gonna be nekkid!" Wow, we met almost 5 years ago... seems like yesterday. Chris

"we all had a real good time" Egdar Winter...

my favorite is "you ain't gettin shit for Christmas"... search Kazaa...

We always land in the student landing area, (I just wish our students did too!).. I like to pack right there by the target. By the time the student lands, I'm half packed, finish and complete the debrief on the walk back... take his logbook up on the next load, fill it out in the plane, land and repeat the process... makes for more efficient flow. It always pisses me off, though when I land in the student landing area and the student lands in the experienced area, drops his gear and wanders off somewhere before I can walk all the way back... Land where your instructor lands... sometimes in an off dz landing, he's showing you a "better" landing area. Chris

Did you say something Doug? I actually don't wear a helmet when Bird-Manning... I like to hear "slow". I kinda tune my flight by sound... I wear a helmet on every other skydive I make... if ya can legitimately call a frap-hat a helmet. I blame my hearing loss on years of flying Twin Bonanzas... (not to mention the music in the 70's and 80's) Chris

I'm arriving 26th at 9:10 pm, grab bags , rental so meet me at rental area... 930ish... Return to PHX on 4th 9:00am... ~2 slots either way... (Amazon, you going back that early?, you got first dibs.) I've added my self below... Chris Those in need: 12/08 8:25 pm Quickdraw 12/21 10:45 pm amir1967 12/23 6:00 pm Canuck278 and friend (MissMae) 12/24 4:15 pm Airmail (freeflygoddess) 7:30 pm TB99 (freeflygoddess) 11:27 pm Turtlespeed 12/25 10:01 am Sunshine (Luna, car is full) 12:27 pm Aviatrr (MissMae) 12:29 pm Taz (MissMae) 5:05 pm MikeJD 9:11 PM Kevin922 (MissMae) 9:41PM skreamer (MissMae) 9:35 PM hmatousek (MissMae) 12/26 ???? am DaGimp (Viking, and DaGimp rides shotgun ) 9:00 am Peachsouthern (PLFKing) 12:26pm Coconutmonkey (freeflygoddess) 5:45pm Cornholio (Deuce) 6:05 pm Skymama (Deuce) 12/27 10:37 am Justin (finally feeling the love from pds) 12/30 12:21 pm Amazon (Gawain) Those who can do a good deed: 12/24 pm or 25th am Wingnut (room for 6) 12/25, 2:00 pm Freeflyguy 12/25 7:30pm, Sunnydee123 (1 space) 12/26 am PLFKing (1 more space) 12/26, 11:30 am Freeflygoddess (1 space) 12/26, 11:00 am Viking 12/26, 2 pm TangBu 12/26, 9:30 pm Groundzero (~2 slots) 12/27, 12:00 pds (room for 1.5 more) 12/29, 8:00 am Katiebear21 when needed PDS when needed MissMae 12/26, driving from Texas Moodyskydiver (3 spaces) 12/24-1/4 (appx) Tallguy, driving from San Fran area 12/29, driving from So Cal- Gawain Driving from Utah, leaving on the 31st- Wingnut

Actually, I' ve seen both fabrics... Gelvanor (south African) and Performance Textiles Soar Coat (American) still going strong with over 3000 jumps each. With respect to pack volume. The Soar coat packs considerably smaller... Nitro 120 (Gelvanor) 394 cu. in. vs. Nitron 120 (Perf-tex) 349 cu.in. Chris (The talk of premature wear on Gelvanor was started by a manufacturer that was using American fabric competing againts the S.A. built canopies. Not true from my experience... also a competitor of S.A. built canopies.)

better yet... the entire price breakdown... Aff Level one... $285.00 less $40 per head ground training... less $60 ($30 each jumpmaster) less $57.69 airlift (my average cost for ac/person at 19.23/head... I charge $19.00 for exp. jumpers) less $10 per jump amortization gear... equals~$100 gross profit... (now, subtract phones, insurance, rent, office staff, taxes, etc.... AFF Level 2... $165.00 less $60 ($30 each jumpmaster) less $57.69 airlift (my average cost for ac/person at 19.23/head... I charge $19.00 for exp. jumpers) less $10 per jump amortization gear... equals~$35.00 gross profit... (subtract phones, insurance, rent, office staff, taxes, etc.... Be sure to tip your instructors, and support your local dz! We count on you introducing your friends to the sport to stay alive... Chris

at my dz... $30 each... Do you think you're getting a deal... Who else does that much work, with that much risk for such little pay... I think I need to raise the Aff Level One to $1000 and pay the instructors the $500 they deserve. Chris ps... I'm an AFF I too. I know it's tough and I need a raise too...

that just was not right... A Jet powered Glider...

Research? That comes from jumping in August... it's too hot... September... it's still hot out... October? Oh it feels nice out!... November... I've got gloves in my bag if ya think ya need 'em... December... I've got gloves in my bag, can ya grab 'em fer me? January...spot a bit further east... the lake looks cold! February..."I know it's only 15 degrees... lets do a nekkid jump! (ya got my gloves I loaned ya?)" March... "Saturdays gonna be forty-plus... Let's do ten-way!" and so on..... April... "I don't own gloves...those must be yours." don't ask, learn from experience... Chris

blind packing?... Let's do it for speed, I'm in! Chris

Somalia... Abandon dead soldiers... No one does that... really bad thing there. (Chief didn't understand, that's bad)

It is very evident that the actions of US politics impact the entire planet. This is the entire reason behind our actions. I daresay, you are continuing to enjoy some benefits from US actions today and in years past. Chris

Yes, It will be... at the appropriate time. Fuckin valiant move GW... Chris

Hola Christie! Happy Thanksgiving to you and Julio too! Lookin forward to Puerto Rico again soon, I hope... I need to bring my Kristi down on the next trip! Chris

721 it is... Being a dzo, I get to jump a bunch... and I've got a great staff that allows me to play when they haul ttandems and aff students... Yea, I'll certainly be in Eloy, can't wait! Chris

Or is it possible that the kids are mature enough to skydive (or handle some task of equal nature) and perhaps, we are not able to recognize it? Chris I keep holding my baby's hand, because I'm afraid she may fall and bump her head.