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Person: Here are real things in my life I've experienced that led me down the path I am on. 2024 "Liberal": <FOAMING AT THE MOUTH> YOU NEED TO CARE ABOUT WHATEVER TOP DOWN THING OUR MEDIA AND OVERLORDS TELL US. YOUR EXPERIENCES ARE NOT REAL AND OTHER CONCERNS ARE MORE IMPORTANT. You have no right to tell me what cause I am supposed to advocate or care about. It was established at least since the founding of our country that people advocate their own causes in the marketplace of ideas. On William Findley in the time of the American Revolution ~1786: But Findley went on to pursue another line of argument that was new-startlingly new. He accepted Morris's and the other bank supporters' interestedness in the bank and found, he said, nothing unusual or improper in their efforts to obtain its rechartering; as its directors and stockholders, after all, they could hardly be expected to do otherwise, and "Any others in their situation…. would do as they did." In sum, Morris and the other investors in the bank had every "right to advocate their own cause, on the floor of this house." But, Findley then continued, they had no right to protest when others realize "that it is their own cause they are advocating; and to give credit to their opinions, and to think of their votes accordingly." They had no right, in other words, to try to pass off their support of their personal cause as an act of disinterested virtue. The promotion of interests in politics, suggested Findley, was quite legitimate,

Here's an AI analysis of the exchange: This exchange centers around a fundamental misunderstanding and emotional response from Person A to Person B’s statement. Here’s a breakdown of each side: Person A’s Interpretation and Response: Person A seems to interpret Person B’s statement, "I actually don't care about any of those issues," as a sign of callousness toward potential human suffering, specifically the hypothetical mass deportation of undocumented immigrants. Person A responds emotionally, focusing on empathy for the lives of undocumented individuals who might be affected by deportation. They interpret Person B’s detachment as apathy or even implicit support for harsh immigration policies. Person A then takes a moral stance, suggesting that such perceived indifference would make it impossible to vote for anyone who held a similar view. Person B’s Original Statement: Person B’s response is minimal and straightforward, simply stating a lack of interest or concern in the specific issues Person A raised (deportation, drilling, and government agencies). This could imply: A general indifference toward these political topics. A disinterest in debating these specific issues at that time. Or possibly a preference for focusing on other political priorities that aren’t mentioned here. Analysis of the Misinterpretation: Person A appears to project their own values and assumptions onto Person B's simple statement. Person B didn't express a stance on deportation or disregard for undocumented individuals; they simply said they don’t care about the specific issues raised. This doesn’t necessarily indicate indifference to human suffering—it might simply mean those aren’t the topics they’re focused on in political discussions. Person A’s response, though well-meaning, reads as a misinterpretation. They assume that a lack of interest in certain issues equates to insensitivity or support for harmful policies. This is not supported by anything explicit in Person B’s words. In summary, Person A is likely incorrect in interpreting Person B’s statement as callous disregard. The exchange highlights how discussions of political views can quickly become charged with assumptions and interpretations that aren't always warranted by the other party’s words. For clearer communication, Person A might consider directly asking for Person B’s views on the specific topics rather than making assumptions.

Yes, I care more about my family and the 100k Americans dying of overdoses (my mom and 5 classmates are among them) than a problem than is to me far away. It's too bad you don't care more about your fellow Americans. Luckily everyone else in the country seems to.

I found a dead homeless guy in front of my house I had to call in to 911. My mother in law had to see a homeless guy masturbating on the muni when she visited. I had to walk over needles and shit when I went to work. Occasionally when a coworker would complain about homeless issues they'd get a lecture that they were unhoused. Orwellian. Covid policy I'll keep brief. Santa Monica, my former residence now has 50% less traffic than 2019. I know people that lost businesses due to the closure and lock downs. Instead of empathy the response is usually, you should have had cash on hand. Kids lost almost two years of school and that generation will probably never recover. Yes Trump brings up immigration and it sucks all the conversation out of the room away from topics he was weaker in. The set of things to care about is infinite yet you seem to be stuck on one, immigration.

You're still being disingenuous. I could bring up plenty of grievances you are unaware and uninformed and say, gotcha! Just because the media covers immigration as an issue doesn't mean I or anyone else has to place it on our list of important things.

In 2019 trust in media was about 60%. Today it's about 30%. I'm sure where he was convicted the numbers are probably higher. My trust in media has been about 5% since the Iraq war and I read Chomsky as a left winger. So you'd be fighting at least a 20 year trend for myself to believe any claim made against him, especially since there are numerous examples where they deliberately lied. The regular public's media trust collapsed after 2020.

I am accountable to my family and three young children. Children are a tremendous amount of work. I do not have the capacity or resources to care for someone else's decision to bring their family to another country. The decisions your side made to threaten my livelihood and my family count more than an abstract immigrant family I don't know. This is skydiving forum, you should understand accountability.

In 2019 the public had been subjected to 4 years of, "literal Hitler, puppet of Putin" so I don't quite understand how you could make this claim.

Looks like it: https://x.com/BehizyTweets/status/1854988675425185845 Maybe I'll move back.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/yes-trump-improved-young-men-drew-young-women-rcna179019 No one believes the rape claims. The proportion of the population that believes the news is trustworthy has dropped to lower than the proportion that believes in the competence of Congress. To get Baysian about it, you'd need many years of new evidence to update their beliefs. Even if the claim that he is a racist or a rapist were true that would barely move the needle to improve their trustworthiness. You'd have to calculate probability. Trump is a racist given the news said he was a racist (or rapist). Even if true, that's not going to move the probability of the claim that he is a racist very far forward for any other claim that the media makes about him.

Everyone here was trying to put words in my mouth on why I voted for Trump. You parroted standard points that you think right-leaning people use to justify their support of trump without first even asking me. With the exception of Wendy who is a master class of how you have a conversation. You don't yell news, talking points and invent phantoms that aren't there or call people rapist supporters. If that's your reaction on how to talk to people then you need to log off the internet and unplug the TV and read some books. Go on a walk. The context of when I said I don't care about these issues are that was not what motivated me to vote for Trump. Not that I don't care about immigrants. I'm not sure if you're arguing in bad faith or that's what you really thought, but either way it's a pretty awful demonstration of reading comprehension. And if you want to have that conversation. If you look at the border towns, they voted overwhelmingly in support of trump even in communities with high immigrant populations.

I don't believe the story. Anything 20 years old is sus, especially at the eve of the 2020 campaign.

I don't believe it was rape and my motivation for voting for him did not even consider it. I voted against the party that tried to get me fired when I was remote and think Vance and Elon have a shot of reform. Your hall monitor bureaucracy party is done.

It certainly is not the common cold or flu after the age of 60. Metabolic disorders are definitely one of the largest problems we face. Ensuring at risk people had treatment was a better strategy than forcing the entire population to take a drug. As soon as force is involved bad actors can abuse it. The pharma industry has plenty of examples of abuse. Examples that resulted in billion dollar legal judgements. Talks of getting more exercise and diet changes were fat shaming. Fat is beautiful! I don't have time to talk about the Fed in detail. The root problem is it distorts the true price of goods. Also, you can't wage war on every continent with sound money. Fiat currency always comes about in times of war when you can't pay soldiers. Then it becomes an addiction and driver of "growth".

It's not my luxury belief system. It's a phrase, you found the definition, GREAT!

Yes, in particular poor and minorities that are ground into pulp by forcing them to take plea deals for asinine crimes like loitering behind their work place. Any attorney not helping such people and forcing a plea deal out of laziness or legal inertia can work in the cobalt mines with the IV drug users that assault old ladies.

In 1995 with zero physical evidence other than he said she said. There are more credible complaints against him, I certainly don't believe that one.

The context was good or bad people can be attacked by the system. I'm not sure I believe the rape charge, given it originated from the same system that has been dishonest too many times to count. As I said, I voted for Vance and Elon. When one of you peaceful protestors assassinates him we have Vance.

I voted for Obama twice. In 2016 I didn't vote for president because I was mad about drone strikes, Bernie, the bailouts, etc. Trump is repugnant and narcissistic. He also seemed to pick a bad team once in office. I thought not voting Clinton would send a signal and they wouldn't run an establishment stooge the next time. I was primed to be radicalized into actively supporting the right-wing when I saw Santa Monica turn into a shit hole the 10 years I lived there. There is no excuse for letting addicts throw needles in the street and build tent encampments in residential neighborhoods. For all the talk about Trump being uncouth and uncivilized he's not advocating for policies letting people shit in the street. The covid policies, along with the 2020 riots have destroyed what used to be a beautiful, clean luxury shopping area along the coast. It still sits about 50% empty and about half the tourism traffic from 2019. From the evidence democrats seem to support ugliness and turning every civilized area into a dystopian hellscape where any critical talk which could fix it is censored by bureaucratic hall monitors. The mRNA treatment which had never worked in the previous 10 years of research being forced on an entire population under threat of losing a job and no long term studies across the population was just I was having my first kid when that went down and had zero risk of infection since I was remote. A treatment for a disease that had the median death of 82, which was known since at least April 2020, was not worth any unknown risk in other populations (particularly the young). It was amazing to see regulatory hurdles get removed to get it to market, but forcing anyone to take it when the mantra of the left had been "my body my choice" for the last 20 years is unbelievable. The incentive for fraud is too great when that much money is at stake to capitalize on having everyone buy a product. "Show me the incentive and I'll show the outcome". The left seem to completely ignore incentives. If I had to rank it: 1) Covid policies 2) The FED (Vance has paid this lip service, Elon had engagement with Ron Paul on Twitter. I am hopeful, but realistic) 3) Wars (I expect we leave the Ukraine quickly, and hope the Israel/Iran situation gets resolved, Pompeo being brought out the final campaign is a bad sign, but still hopeful) 4) Getting a lecture about being upset a homeless person was masturbating on the Muni in front of my Mother in Law. "NOT HOMELESS UNHOUSED"

People in power don't get attacked and get 34 legal charges for missing documents (which could easily have been one charge). Just because someone has money doesn't mean they are powerful. Trump is powerful today, after the election of 2024. Given the alliances he picked up this election, it's clear he now formidable.

When someone bucks the powers that be the powers that be will attack you. Just as true for Galileo, Socrates or whoever does the bucking. This is true independent of whatever moral standing the person doing the bucking has.

I actually don't care about any of those issues.

I voted Obama twice, I sat out 2016 and did third party. I predicted a win this time and voted for Vance, Elon and Vivek more than I did for Trump. Everyone here still talks like the Republicans are the party of 2012. They are not. Cultural and political forces have totally changed the landscape, even over 2020. It sucks trump had to be there to bring the boomers along but misery makes strange bedfellows.

I was referring to the phrase luxury belief system. You whataboutismed right back to Trump, but the phrase luxury belief system is central to why the entire electorate just voted someone like Trump into office.

It's a dig on economists not mathematicians.