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nothing can be said - - - its truly defeating and pointless.

I know what he said! I can read... You would go further suggesting that Cooper misspoke, or said one thing but meant another, or whatever else you can conjure up. This is personal-political with you. I doubt anyone cares. I will sleep easy tonight knowing I'm right!

Minnesota "nice" is irrelevant. That's your invention and nothing more. The passage from the interview is: He asked her where she was from and she told him she was from Pennsylvania but was living in Minneapolis. He replied that ‘Minneapolis, Minnesota is very nice country’. The reference is places, not people! Tina and Cooper's exchange relates to places, not people. He said nothing about the people of Pennsylvania or‘Minneapolis, Minnesota. He specified 'country'. Country refers to land, water, sky, and geographical physical features. Moreover, you are far more interested in winning a political dispute you started, than truth. Damned near everything you say and do is "political"!

This is actually funny. I lived through this here in Ioway. Garrison Keillor and A Prairie Home Companion did character comedy on everyone and everything in the Midwest... in the 1980s. Minnesota Nice, Yupper 'yoops', Ioway ' corn heads', Wisconsin cheese heads, Boiled Fish Lunch ... etc. But all of that post dates the Cooper hijacking. In 1971 Keillor's antics and his public acclaim hadn't even happened yet - FJ is clearly reaching for validation. FJ needs to focus on what Cooper actually said. It's such a simple idea! No need for deep analysis or reinvention! FJ has a playbook he turns to when things dont go his way. Its funny. I enjoy it!

Well your dates are off! Your theory is nonsense. The phrase "Minnesota Nice" gained popularity in the mid-1980s, with its first documented appearance in a newspaper in 1986. It was further popularized by cultural figures like Garrison Keillor through works such as A Prairie Home Companion and Howard Mohr's 1987 book How to Talk Minnesotan. However, its origins are tied to the state's Scandinavian immigrant heritage and agrarian history, reflecting values of politeness, emotional restraint, and aversion to confrontation Meaning of "Minnesota Nice": The term describes a cultural stereotype of Minnesotans as polite, reserved, and mild-mannered. It encompasses behaviors such as friendliness, self-deprecation, and avoidance of direct conflict. While often seen as genuine kindness—helping neighbors or refraining from honking—it is also criticized for masking passive-aggression and emotional aloofness. Some view it as a facade rather than true niceness . Scandinavian influences emphasize humility and community over individualism, shaping this cultural norm. Minnesota Nice did not even exist for Cooper to use in 1971. It hadnt been invented and popularised yet to be in the pubic consciousness, for Cooper or anyone else to use! So your theory is nonsense. "Dan Cooper" was inspired by a comic book hero popular in Europe during the mid-20th century, which may explain its use as an alias but not as a common given name. Agent Carr has suggested that DB Cooper got his name from the comic book. You are beating a dead horse which has no factual reality ! Take your loss for once and drop this nonsense.

And neither do you!

Cooper did not say "Minnesota nice" ! Minnesota nice has nothing to do with anything. It is NOT what Cooper said and having to deal with it is a total waste of time ...

We know what conversational English means! Cooper seemed fluent in English whatever his background was. Everything is an assumption. People use languages to remove assumptions. By all accounts Cooper was fluent enough to convey what he meant vs. what you say he meant. People can conjure up all the things he might of meant or what you say he meant. Taken to its limit you are the only true interpreter of what DB Cooper meant and did. That could lead to you being the only person on Earth who can know who Cooper was, what he did and said, and why he hijacked at all. Please tell us!

Very simply, Cooper did not say "Minnesota nice". He said Minnesota is nice country, referring to its land, vista, territorial makeup . . . had he spent time in Minnesota or over it? Nice in contrast to what? Minnesota stands out because its water - lakes etc. Mexico by contrast has no water! ?

laughing .... Cooper's statement could have been 100% gratuitous. Just passing time and gas ....

The hijacker's choice of Cooper could be further evidence that DB Cooper had in fact, a Midwest connection. He told Tina that 'Minnesota is fine country' ? Or something to that affect. What is the basis for his comment, if any ?

There you go - - - - not your typical 'joe blow' from kokomoh but a mission-specific title. A stereotype with a whole set of specific traits and history. An archetype with specific special traits, skills, and history! Not your average guy. The hijacker knew what he was doing. No way he did not know what he was doing was special and would have historical consequence. He apparently chooses a name that has real social meaning .... by accident or otherwise. He did not walk up to the ticket agent and say: "I am General Eisenhower" but he might as well have. What's in a name ? Everything or nothing... Cooper family members took note if nobody else did, and asked: "what in hell is this!?"

Cooper means “barrel maker” and refers to those who made barrels, vats, casks, buckets, and other containers in Medieval England... name goes back in England to at least the 900s -1100s when people's names reflected what they did for a living. Many Indo European languages reflected what they did in life. The name Cooper has historical significance in early America and in Virginia specifically during the Revolutionary War. The Richards-Cooper name is almost synonymous with the the families who settled the first thirteen families (on Mandate from King George) in the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia then rebelled against King George ... the socalled Fighting Quakers. There was a price on their heads! They defeated Lord Fairfax's troops in the Shenandoah Valley. The Cooper family has always distinguished itself as pioneers, developers, educators, innovators, etc. After the Revolutionary War, Johnathan Cooper of Star Tannery VA built wagons and moved families west to Ohio and then moved his family to the Ioway Territory c1830-40 ... Weinberg had something in mind when he chose the name Cooper for his heroic comic figure ??? Heroic figures that make special history ? The hijacker chose the name for some reason! That is almost guaranteed ... for some in some regions the name is historically associated with rebellion and noteworthy historical achievement. That's just a historical fact. Maybe Weinberg and Cooper knew something about American history ? Specifically Virginia and Midwest American history ?

Thanks!

OK, well I didnt read the context ......... crap! age catching up with me! Thanks FJ.. been a rough week ....... all the other excuses! ..............