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I would prefer to here this from Ammerman himself, rather than from Mr Ulis interpreting Ammerman. It was Ammerman working the flight that night, not Mr. Ulis.

Question: Will Eric continue as a researcher in the DB Cooper case? given the changes in coopercon leadership . . . . anyone know ?

'A place you would like' I think. I'll look it up... How does Cooper knows what Tina (a hostage) would like ? Tina probably wants to wind the clock back to last month ! Cooper is just filling space nobody likes .... We know the pilots were talking to the company by 8:20. If there is any redaction in the 'transcript' I think its there. I think by 8:20 they were fairly sure he was gone and Tina or somebody went to look around the curtain, and that got reported. If that's true then everything in the Transcript to Reno is nonsense. Finally at Reno they announce they are going back to look ... ? Their primary concern is the bomb. 8:20 is the first opportunity to look for it. I cant see the crew not looking for it at the first opportunity. It's human nature under the strongest motivation. edit: directly from crew interviews: would go to a “pleasant place”. "we're going to a place you would like' ‘they weren’t going to Cuba, but she would like where they were going’. (interviewer's words) He paused and said ‘that the flight suited his time, place, and plans.’

You may be correct. There is nothing Cooper can do in the back that wont alert Anderson to something important happening. Did Cooper realise that? Then the crew screws that up and doesnt report it! They dont even know their location! The weather conditions complicate matters further. No timely effective search can be mounted. Why didnt NWO intervene at that point and order the plane to make an emergency landing at Portland - on technical grounds? And inform Cooper (who is no longer on board) they have a serious engine problem ? The crew, FBI, and NWO always had options!

But then its Reno and he doesnt argue. It could be a diversion - a straw man, sending the plane and the center of attention a long way away from the center of attention - himself on the ground escaping back in WA. There is a contradiction in play set up by Cooper. He has set up the plane for a jump no higher then 10k feet. Then he adds a new demand. Fly to Mexico City. Setting the plane up for a jump vs. flying to Mexico in that configuration is a contradiction. Cant be done. He is sending the plane as far off as possible away from the center of attention - himself. It buys him time to conduct an escape. He even links his hijacking to Cuban hijackings with Tina buying into that! The whole thing is a diversion and the worst part is it works! Except for the pressure gauge and Anderson it would have worked. Then the crew 'claims' Cooper might still be on board ... as they are landing at Reno! Gag me with a silver spoon - Cooper is already on the ground making his way somewhere . . . and NWO in Minneapolis knows it. Then the parody at Reno will play out.

I like your last line. If you are correct then your last line makes total sense. However, Im sticking with my theory. I think I can defend it even with your objections. I did not say Cooper had perfect knowledge of all aspects of the situation. I say he had a tactical plan and his approach was tactical. He adapted and adjusted tactically. Is there any problem you can cite that he didn't solve? I am relying heavily on the crew interviews and instructions and timing of instructions he gave, the order of his laying out his requests/commands, his putting on a chute early, 'and it wasn't more than five minutes later after takeoff that he sent me to the cockpit' (Tina), I think his plan was to bail as close to Portland as he could safely get, and to send the plane to Mexico (or Mars!) to give himself time to escape before law enforcement could launch a serious informed search. Much depends on how much he knew about the area of Portland-Vancouver. He solved every problem, Chris. BTW, Sluggo said normal turn around time for NWO cleaning and refueling the 727 was 30 minutes! Small wonder Cooper got pissed if he knew that.

Cooper made it very clear on the plane (almost an obsession) that he did not want to be interfered with or apprehended - he had a fear of sky marshals. He kept bringing it up over and over. I can't see Cooper changing his mind after the fact or doing anything to tempt fate. It may be tied to his grudge whatever that was. Maybe he changed his mind or softened later? That is basically what Gunher/Clara would have you believe. In fact, FJ was convinced Cooper tried to wipe off his prints. He asked for his note back. He took the briefcase with him etc etc. I just dont see this guy doing anything intentionally to reveal his identity or tempt fate. Unless he truly isnt too intelligent which seems to be Carr's profile of the man ? My profile of Cooper is a person following a 'tactical' plan, doing exactly what he asked people to do and following that script himself, either tactically trained or following a well thought out script almost to the letter, just as he himself said, and adapting where necessary. The right plane in the right place at the right time, to the letter. So far as I know that contrasts sharply with most other hijackings and its the reason behind why others called McCoy a 'copycat'. That is an acknowledgment of Cooper's tactically scripted performance. I wonder if he is a musician or a composer? I see strong math skills at working calculating the odds at every turn, if not literally then informally-subjectively. I dont think Cooper is going to contact an author or risk his identity being exposed unless that is part of his original plan ? I wonder what instruments he plays ? I have been waiting for 302s to reflect a public stance vs a non-public stance in which the FBI communicated they might be dealing with a highly trained motivated person ? So far I havent seen the acknowledgement, if it existed ?

Thanks. I would love to but health issues make it unlikely. I want the focus to be on you guys who are the future of the Cooper case. The more I can support you, the better for everyone. I even wish Flyjack would come back! Dont forget for one second, it was Flyjack who stubbornly opened up accessibility to the FBI 302's - all billions of them. That effort alone opened the case up for millions of people to review and think about .... which is partly responsible for why we are where we are today. There are things I am still researching in the case which I will get to and want to post about. I am more than happy to watch Tom and you guys going forth. Let's see what the future holds .... the vortex has come a very long way in just two weeks! A year from today we will all know more than we know today. We have frankly come a very long way suddenly. Wow and Congrats!

NEWS: CooperCon will occur in 2024 under new management with some truly great people! - at the Museum of Flight in Seattle as originally planned. It speaks for itself! This is huge welcome news! The announcement : Thank you Chris and Ryan! (Thanks guys! )

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Were Richard McCoy and DB Cooper the same person ? Answer Based on the available evidence, it is unlikely that Richard McCoy and D.B. Cooper were the same person, despite some similarities in their hijackings: The FBI thoroughly investigated McCoy and did not conclude he was D.B. Cooper . They arrested McCoy for his own hijacking but continued to treat the D.B. Cooper case as unsolved. There were significant differences between the two hijackers: D.B. Cooper was described as calm and in control, while McCoy was reported to be nervous and angry during his hijacking . The crew from the D.B. Cooper flight observed photos and videos of McCoy and stated he was not the same person . McCoy was much younger than the middle-aged man described as D.B. Cooper . McCoy's hijacking occurred about 4.5 months after D.B. Cooper's, and some evidence suggests it was a copycat crime rather than a repeat by the same person: McCoy reportedly told a friend "I could do that, but I would do it better" after the Cooper hijacking, implying he hadn't done it himself . McCoy's hijacking was described as "a mess" compared to Cooper's well-executed plan . While some authors and investigators have proposed that McCoy and Cooper were the same person , this theory is not widely accepted by law enforcement or most Cooper researchers. It's worth noting that the D.B. Cooper case remains unsolved, and McCoy's own story is intriguing in its own right. However, based on the available information, it appears that Richard McCoy and D.B. Cooper were likely two different individuals who committed similar crimes. Link provided by AI source;

Have there been any updates on any dna sample from Richard McCoy and any comparison to the dna sample the FBI has from DB Cooper's tie? Perplexity AI says the following: what happened to richard mccoy's dna sample ? Answer Based on the search results, there are a few key points regarding Richard McCoy's DNA sample in relation to the D.B. Cooper case: For many years, the McCoy family refused to cooperate with authorities or provide DNA samples to assist in the FBI's investigation of the D.B. Cooper case . This stance changed after the death of Richard McCoy's wife, Karen McCoy, in December 2020. Following her passing, the family became more open to assisting with DNA evidence . However, it's important to note that as of 2016, the FBI had officially closed the D.B. Cooper case . There is no direct statement from the FBI indicating that they have reopened the investigation. While there has been recent discussion about potential DNA evidence related to the D.B. Cooper case, this DNA was actually discovered in 2007 on Cooper's tie clip. However, experts caution that this evidence may have limited value due to potential contamination and the age of the sample . Regarding Richard McCoy specifically, there is no clear information in the search results about what happened to his DNA sample after the family became willing to cooperate. It's possible that a sample was provided, but the results or current status of any testing are not mentioned in the available information. It's worth noting that while some researchers have proposed McCoy as a suspect in the D.B. Cooper case due to similarities in their crimes, the FBI has treated them as separate cases . The outcome of any recent DNA comparisons, if they have occurred, has not been publicly disclosed based on the information provided and available. https://www.perplexity.ai/search/what-happened-to-richard-mccoy-aPEWrx1GQCCB7dvTESCYGA * Obviously similarities between these hijackings may point to tactical training employed on the part of both individuals who conducted these hijackings. ? Did Richard McCoy leave writings that could be linguistically compared to any other textual material available in the DB Cooper case?

Very interesting. A good podcast as usual. I would have come up with a different set of questions, and perhaps you also ? Including several trick questions designed to reveal an imposter quickly. Questions the real Cooper would have known vs an imposter, or potentially Richard McCoy himself. The real Cooper will know things that nobody else will know including McCoy ... I wonder if McCoy would have even taken this test? Frankly I doubt it. It's fun to muse about these things .... A good thought provoking podcast! Thanks...

good info - interesting! keep working...

OK - I will point Tom to your post.

You need to run this by TK .... Copy your post to his web site email ... otherwise: To distinguish discrete metal particles from powdered metal, several characteristics and analytical techniques can be employed: Characteristics of Metal Particles Shape: Discrete metal particles often have distinct shapes that can be spherical, ellipsoidal, or irregular. For instance, stainless steel powder particles are nearly spherical, while tin powder particles are ellipsoidal . Powdered metals, especially those used in additive manufacturing, are typically designed to have uniform shapes to ensure good packing and flow properties . Size: Particle size distribution is a critical parameter. Discrete metal particles can vary widely in size, while powdered metals are often produced to have a specific size range to meet manufacturing requirements. For example, titanium powder can have particles up to 452 μm, while other powders might have a maximum particle size of around 200 μm . Morphology: The morphology of metal particles can be studied using techniques like Scanning Electron Microscopy (SEM), which provides detailed images of particle shapes and surface structures . Discrete particles might show more variability in shape and surface texture compared to uniformly produced powdered metals. Analytical Techniques Laser Diffraction: This technique measures particle size distribution by analyzing the diffraction pattern of a laser beam passed through a dispersed sample. It is widely used for characterizing metal powders . Scanning Electron Microscopy (SEM): SEM provides high-resolution images of particle surfaces, allowing for detailed analysis of particle shape and surface features. This can help distinguish between different types of metal particles based on their morphology . X-Ray Computed Tomography (XCT): XCT can generate 3D images of particles, providing insights into their internal structure and overall shape. This method is particularly useful for analyzing the uniformity and sphericity of powdered metals . Energy Dispersive Spectroscopy (EDS): Often used in conjunction with SEM, EDS analyzes the elemental composition of particles, which can help in identifying and differentiating metal types based on their chemical makeup . Discrete Element Method (DEM): DEM simulations can evaluate the dynamic interactions between granular particles, such as flowability and packing density, which are important for understanding the behavior of powdered metals in manufacturing processes . By using these characteristics and analytical techniques, one can effectively differentiate discrete metal particles from powdered metal, ensuring the appropriate material is used for specific applications. https://www.perplexity.ai/search/how-can-i-tell-discrete-metal-6nGT1UKaQtqGp3CZPLWdww

RMB is an untouchable topic almost guaranteed to stop traffic and sow discord on any Cooper forum! Many bitter memories that closed this forum down several times leaving Blevins here alone for almost a year until he was finally terminated. In case you are unaware? Good luck!

sounds good - Thanks! I admit Im beating the bushes but anything helps and adds up .......

The vortex has been so focused on Kaye/Ulis dna, what other aspects of the case have been ignored? How about finger prints. Has there ever been a 302 Lab Reports about prints? Could modern AI modeling improve the finger prints the FBI has ? Is it possible to reconstruct a person's finger prints based on an incomplete print Answer Reconstructing a person's fingerprints from an incomplete print is a complex and challenging task. Here are some key points based on the available information: Chaotic Nature of Fingerprints: Fingerprints form in the womb through a process influenced by random factors such as the motion of amniotic fluid. This chaotic formation means that even identical twins do not have the same fingerprints, making it difficult to predict or reconstruct missing parts of a fingerprint accurately . AI and Machine Learning Limitations: While AI can generate realistic-looking palm prints, it cannot accurately reconstruct a specific individual's complete fingerprint from a partial print. This is because there is no deterministic relationship between the parts of a fingerprint, and the process of fingerprint formation is too random to model effectively with current AI technologies . Partial Fingerprint Reconstruction: There is ongoing research on reconstructing partial fingerprints, but these methods are typically limited to enhancing or filling in small gaps rather than predicting entirely missing sections. The accuracy of such reconstructions decreases significantly as the missing portion increases . PrintListener Technique: A recent technique called PrintListener can partially reconstruct fingerprints based on the sound made when a finger swipes across a touchscreen. However, this method has a limited success rate, with full reconstructions achieved in only 9.3% of cases and partial reconstructions in 27.9% of cases . Practical Challenges and Security Implications: Even with advanced techniques, the practical challenges of measuring and reconstructing fingerprints at the required precision are significant. Additionally, the security implications of such methods highlight the need for improved biometric security measures to prevent unauthorized access . In summary, while there are methods to enhance or partially reconstruct fingerprints, accurately reconstructing a complete fingerprint from an incomplete print remains highly challenging due to the inherent randomness in fingerprint formation and the limitations of current technologies. Related How accurate are AI models in reconstructing partial fingerprints ? What are the limitations of AI in fingerprint reconstruction ? Can AI generate palm prints from a single finger print ? How do fingerprint sounds help in reconstructing prints ? Are there any real-world applications of reconstructing partial fingerprints ? https://www.perplexity.ai/search/is-it-possible-to-reconstruct-j0Fq7ef8TtC_mcr7i69xyw

I think the whole issue of 'updates' needs to be revisited.

Beautiful! Thanks.... its been one helluva day starting early this morning with an untested Microsoft update! This is a nice way to end it... Tom is well aware of the possibilities.

Heads Up - Metagenomics has been mentioned by Tom Kaye etc as a potential option in the Cooper case. what could metagenomics do for the db cooper case Answer Metagenomics could potentially provide valuable insights for the D.B. Cooper case, particularly in analyzing DNA evidence left behind by the hijacker. Here's how metagenomics techniques could be applied: DNA analysis of the tie: The clip-on tie left behind by D.B. Cooper on seat 18-E is considered a crucial piece of evidence . Metagenomic sequencing could be used to analyze the estimated 100,000 particles on the tie, potentially revealing DNA traces from the hijacker . Enhanced detection capabilities: Modern metagenomic techniques offer improved sensitivity in detecting and analyzing trace amounts of DNA, even from degraded or contaminated samples. This could be particularly useful for examining evidence that is decades old . Microbial profiling: Metagenomic analysis could potentially reveal information about the microbial communities present on the tie or other evidence. This microbial profile might provide clues about the environment or geographical location the hijacker was exposed to before the incident . Comparative analysis: By comparing any DNA profiles obtained from the evidence to databases of known individuals or populations, investigators might be able to narrow down potential suspects or determine the hijacker's likely background . Contamination assessment: Metagenomic techniques can help distinguish between DNA from the person of interest and environmental contamination, which is crucial for analyzing evidence that has been handled by multiple people over the years . Partial DNA reconstruction: Even if complete DNA profiles cannot be obtained, metagenomic approaches might allow for the reconstruction of partial genetic information, potentially providing new leads in the investigation While metagenomics offers promising possibilities, it's important to note that the effectiveness of these techniques would depend on the quality and preservation of the available evidence. Additionally, any findings would need to be carefully interpreted within the context of the case and other available information https://www.perplexity.ai/search/what-could-metagenomics-do-for-soqBtQW.QnevfAb3ad0MTw

who is Ulis' suspect Answer Eric Ulis is currently investigating a new suspect in the D.B. Cooper case, alongside his previous person of interest, Vince Petersen. Ulis has not yet publicly named this new suspect but describes him as another worker from Remcru Titanium, a company linked to the materials found on Cooper's tie. This individual reportedly resembles the FBI sketch of Cooper and is about 6'1" tall . Ulis has been a prominent figure in the investigation of the D.B. Cooper hijacking, which occurred in 1971. He previously focused on Vince Petersen, a deceased titanium research engineer who worked for Crucible Steel, a company that supplied materials to Boeing. Ulis believes that Petersen's background and the titanium particles found on Cooper's tie may connect him to the hijacking. However, Petersen's family has expressed skepticism about these claims, stating that they do not believe he was involved in the crime. Ulis continues to explore these leads, emphasizing that he remains open to other potential suspects as he gathers more evidence. https://www.perplexity.ai/search/who-is-ulis-suspect-lcmebahOT..a5U.2pSym9A

All attention seems to be focused on Ulis and his new suspect and new testing. Everything else is in suspension until after the Suspection and Coopercon in November. Will the Vortex fall into recession.

Its interesting that your guest claims, as others do, that a primary reason for the hijacking was 'financial distress' of the hijacker. Many people say that is self-evident! (Money is the root of all evil). Likewise it is also self-evident that the money container became detached from Cooper during the jump, which accounts for money turning up years later on Tena Bar. Precisely how the money made its way from the DZ to Tena Bar over years, is a mystery - which probably can only be solved by another chain of 'self-evidents' undiscovered so far after fifty years. One 'self evident' is tied to the next in a chain of 'self evidents'. These chains of 'self-evident' owe their existence to Hammurabi, Aristotle, Isaac Newton, Walt Disney, Richard Nixon, and a few Cooper sleuths. It's all very convenient and 'self-evident'. We know DB Cooper's life and personality so well that we know how he 'marketed' the hijacking . . . and the rest follows logically. We may in fact know more about the Cooper hijacking in 2024, than Cooper himself knew about it in 1971! Future hijackers beware! Future pundits are already nipping at your ass before you have even done your hijacking! Everything is 'self evident'. Fact: DB Cooper conducted a hijacking because he was in very great financial distress, and there are no other options. Money runs the Universe. It's self-evident. Cooper's grudge was financial but not against your airlines.