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Just want to add my holiday greetings to the mix. Hope everyone is healthy, warm, well-fed, and worry-free.

She sold them this year for two bucks. Well hello, that obviously means that she is selling them like hotcakes so she can afford to sell them for less...you know...cause she's selling so many....

I agree a bill showing up would not prove that Cooper survived, but the circumstances of the find might play a part in the probability of that. I think the dump theory is interesting - just not sure about the massive amount of follow-up that would be required to go anywhere with it. I'm just not seeing a paper trail here - especially if illegal dumping was going on. But kudos if flytrack or someone goes somewhere with it. If nothing else though, on first glance it seems that Flytrack has presented a viable alternative to how the money might have arrived to Tena Bar. And in a fast moving flood situation, the bag of money wouldn't have had to stay in the water long to get there either. Whole bag scenario requires a lot of sand to cover it up so it isn't seen afterwards. Whole lot of sand spread over N square feet. hmmm... an amount equivalent to: hmmm ... a dredging scenario? You have to account not only for money arriving at Tina Bar but also not being seen, and not being seen for t-amount of time, however much $$$ was deposited in one or more events. A bushel of sand? A pickup of sand )spread over...)? A dump truck of sand spread over ??? You get the point! I do get the point. That's why I said "on first glance". You're right - there are a lot of variables that would have to be covered for this idea to be fully vetted (such as it is). But it's a start.

I agree a bill showing up would not prove that Cooper survived, but the circumstances of the find might play a part in the probability of that. I think the dump theory is interesting - just not sure about the massive amount of follow-up that would be required to go anywhere with it. I'm just not seeing a paper trail here - especially if illegal dumping was going on. But kudos if flytrack or someone goes somewhere with it. If nothing else though, on first glance it seems that Flytrack has presented a viable alternative to how the money might have arrived to Tena Bar. And in a fast moving flood situation, the bag of money wouldn't have had to stay in the water long to get there either. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Perhaps Blevins can tell us if Larry Carr had even been born by 1971/1972? Answer: Yes. Not by much, though. But since he was a case agent for Cooper and had access to all the FBI files, he deserves a certain amount of respect. His main job was never Cooper, but busting bank robbers and bringing them to justice. Too bad some beanheads drove him away from DZ, isn't it? Meanwhile, you can argue about how easy it was to compare this twenty or that from a list of 10,000 numbers printed on a 34-page list... I'm not arguing with you, Robert - just trying to make you understand a simple concept - as you are so fond of saying.

also, it wouldn't just be the hijacker passing the bills, 10,000 bills passed 20 times is 200,000 passes... some of those bills would have been still in circ well into the eighties, but is it possible, sure but less likely.. not much weight to this other than to widen suspects to US and foreign.. Obviously there are no absolutes that can be drawn from the fact that no money has ever been found in circulation; however, if he passed the money in the US, I still find it difficult to believe that there has never been a find. Yes - even if tellers at banks were not able to scan bills for any length of time, and even if the subset of people that have a "greater than average interest" in this case is small in relation to the population at large - no matter how you slice it -- the fact that not a single 20 has surfaced is something you have to at least consider as being problematic to the "US hijacker survived with the loot" theory. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

I just gave you a good source. The Larry Carr interview. Carr said NW banks gave up the search for the bills in a period between three and six months after they were first issued the list. Don't take my word on my interview with the Treasury rep. Go check the Carr interview for yourself. The logic here is as simple as it appears. If no one is looking for the bills, then they can be spent without fear of getting caught. I think your assumption that a teller could compare a single twenty to that 34-page list in 'seconds' is a bit generous. You have to feel sorry for the ones who saw more than a hundred 20-dollar bills cross their counter each day. Must have been fun.

Well, you say it would be easy for tellers to check their twenties against that 10,000 number list. This is where we part company, opinion-wise. I think it was enough to make tellers pull out their hair, and they probably breathed a sigh of relief when their particular bank gave up the effort. Remember...there are 33 OTHER pages comprising that list, not just the 300 or so numbers shown. Take a look at the picture again. Then try to tell me with a straight face how 'easy' a process it all was. Blevins, Look at the numbers in the attachment to your post, those numbers are in alphanumerical order! They are NOT random! Robert99 Yeah...well, maybe so. Still...you try to match up one bill at a time from that 34 page nightmare. I'm surprised that some NW banks forced the tellers to keep doing that for up to six months. The smarter, or more merciful banks, (*respected their valued employees*) gave up the effort within the first three months. For Everyone Else: I'm going to attach the single-page example of the number list again as a reminder. 300 numbers on that page. There were about 9,700 OTHER numbers, as well as an additional 33 pages. Can we say 'nightmare on the job'? I think it's safe to assume that NW bank tellers at that time saw at least fifty, a hundred, who knows how many twenties coming across their counter each day. (*Don't forget to check those bills before you go home...*) Glad I wasn't a teller in Seattle back in '72. I would have quit and gone into writing sci-fi. I read your book Into The Blast recently and enjoyed it. Current reading Geoffrey Gray's book - about half way through it - which I know you based part of your book on. Assuming that picture attached earlier is of the actual list of $20 serial numbers supplied to banks, how did both Geoffrey Gray and yourself get it wrong in your books about whether the serial numbers were supplied sequentially or not?? Surprised you chose to leave out some things Gray mentions about Kenny Christiansen - as an example that he was thought to be gay. In your book I started to wonder about that, but from memory you avoided stating it. Not only that, but it has been pointed out on this thread that the numbers were not "random". They are listed in alphanumeric order and any teller would easily be able to scan the list in a matter of seconds. And whether individual bank employees did or not scan 20s for these serial numbers and for how long a period of time this happened, no one on here has a source for that as far as I know. While it might seem logical that it didn't last long, anyone on here trying to sound like an expert on this is still just guessing. As to the KC thing, both writers leave out the fact that..... 1. Kenny bought land in the 60s which he sold a couple of years before he died for a a substantial amount of money , though they would have the reader believe that Kenny's estate indirectly came from the hijacking money . 2. Kenny did not pay cash for the lot and house that he was living on in 1972. 3. There has been no actual tangible documentation presented that proves Kenny spent more or gave/loaned money in the early 1970s. There are only anecdotal stories. The authors fail to fully disclose this. But face it, I have read just about every book on the Cooper saga and there are contradictions in all of them. Whether this can be attributed to sloppy research, intentional misdirection, or just plain laziness is anyone's guess. Though I have my own opinions about that, I will just leave it at caveat emptor. btw.....welcome aboard.

Like R99, I think your theory involving the dump is completely valid. I think it's a low probability theory but it is a possibility. I don't know any 'markers' in the money that would connect with a dump specifically, or the slough specifically, but this is in the early phase and I rather think people are pondering the issue. As far as this forum is concerned - its the best thing that has come up here in a long time ... and it's REFRESHING to have! Congrats! might have to expand the search area.. "According to Speirs, the entire business woke the rest of Portlanders up to the mess that was happening in St. Johns (he claims that garbage trucks came from as far as Kalama, Washington, to creep into the side-streets like North Taft to illegally dump their loads) and the resulting furor eventually resulted in closing the landfill." The landfill was covered with dredged sand, but in the 70's it was a full open landfill with the Columbia Slough completely surrounding it. map http://binged.it/1cGHSOL .. I think this is very interesting. Always glad to have another avenue of discussion open up. I was beginning to think this forum was beyond hope. Farflung brought up a similar idea - though if memory serves he was referring to the massive amounts of development going on on some of the islands. Just curious though - why are you centering your theory around a house being demolished? Lot's of things get thrown out or forgotten and end up in in land fills - suitcases, old coats, old appliances, bags of clothes, boxes of miscellaneous random stuff, yes, even money.

general musings.... As for the FBI not wanting us to know the truth....you might be right, but I also believe that they never really recovered the momentum that they lost from not calling the shots and being privy to every single syllable that was uttered and every single action from the time the note was given to Flo. They were playing second fiddle to Northwest for sure and maybe the FAA too. And then there were the turf problems within their own organization. Makes you wonder with all the vacillations, misdirection, the inconsistent access rules, not to mention the missing evidence that permeates this case - does any one entity even have all of the facts of the case? I seriously doubt it. Maybe at one time this was an embarrassment for the FBI, but, at this point, I sometimes wonder if they really care anymore. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Here's what Rataczak and Himmelsbach told me about the flight path. >In a 70-minute phone interview with Bill in 2009, he told me the following: >Initially he said, "It's an enigma." (the position of 305 when Cooper jumped) >A few minutes later he expanded on those words and said, "I don't know where we were that night...only the FAA and the FBI have access to that information." >Towards the end of our conversation he told me, "We were east of Victor 23. How far? Eh. Two or three miles maybe." >Lastly he said, "The wind blew us east of Victor 23." >In 2010 I followed-up with Ralph. Point-blank he told me that 305 flew over the Washougal, far east of V-23. >I asked him why he was so certain of that. >"Because that's what Rataczak told me," he replied. >We also know that Larry Carr has vassilated hugely on this issue. For a long time he was a big proponent of the Washougal theory. Then he was a firm believer in the V-23 pathway. Larry also waivered on the LZ, claiming Washougal, then supporting the Ariel-Amboy site, and then just before he left town in 2009, he reportedly was claiming Battleground as the LZ. However, Larry never told me that directly. >Reviewing all of this, one can make a couple of assumptions. One is that a lot of people in Norjak are forgetful. >Another notion is that a lot of people in Norjak don't want us to know the truth. >I go with the latter perspective because when people have fuzzy memories, like Dorwin Schroeder, they usually tell me about it or make a joke. Bill changed his story all in one conversation and never broke a sweat. He either has a neurological impairment or missed a beat in his spin story. I get where you're coming from but I also wonder if it's not just a case of the fish getting bigger every time they tell the story. I wonder if they really know the whole truth anymore. (I'm talking about the participants now, not the FBI) For example, if you read interviews or stories that involve Bill R - it's like where in the heck was Capt Scott? Every interaction is first person Bill "I told the ground crew in no uncertain terms to quit playing games", I said this, I said that, I did this, I did that. It's like Cossey and "his" parachute. So....you have to wonder are they telling the truth when they contradict themselves or make it all about them? If you conclude that the story is suspect, then you have to ask are they deliberately "lying" or did their roles just keep getting elevated with every re-telling and the story just kind of "evolves". I don't know the answer to that and I'm not saying that this is the case with Bill R's part in the saga - just putting it out there for what it's worth. It bears repeating.... Egos and memories are funny, funny things. Excerpt from WSHM interview transcript "Scotty said, What do you think you guys, should we leave Tina back there with him and get out? Then they couldn’t go anyway, cause they don’t have a crew to fly it. And I said, Well Scotty, if you give me a direct order to go out of the airplane, I’m gonna say no, I’m not. I’ll tell everybody you gave a direct order to that irascible copilot to get out of the airplane, but he decided to stay there. I can’t in good conscience leave Tina alone back there with this guy…" So we all agreed that was the way to go, so we stayed there but in the meantime, before the flight attendants--the other two, Tina, and excuse me, Florence and Alice, before they decided to get out, Andy said, “Bill, they haven’t left the airplane yet.” I said, open the door. So I told the two girls, I said you two get off this airplane right now or I’m going to come out of this seat and plant my 9 ½ in a part of your anatomy and you may not touch a stair all the way down the hill. That was something like that anyway… And they looked at me like, “Well who does he think he is?” and down they went." Hmmmmmm. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

That's correct, but I don't think that is what he was asking. I think the question was "would the path for the original destination that he asked for be the same or different then the path to Reno". Or at least that was my take on it. I am reposting my response to flyjack hoping that one of our flight experts will opine on the questions that I bolded. ================================================ R99 or Shutter can address this better than I, but you can get a rough estimate from here: http://www.portseattle.org/...Pages/Southwest.aspx Looks like an "intended" route (if he even really had an intended route) would have been different depending where you were going to stop at to refuel. Was asking for Mexico a shrewd move to control the flight path? If so, why didn't he take refueling into account to start with? Also the flying parameters that he insisted on also had a bearing on the path they could take. Did he set those parameters (flaps, altitude) just to control his jump or to also influence the path? I don't know - I've often wondered about that Mexico destination. Was he just making it up as he went along or was it part of the plan? I've always leaned towards the former -- I think he had a general idea of where he wanted to jump and he couldn't let them in on that but I'm not seeing anything he said regarding the destination that suggests that he really was trying to influence the flight path. Edited to add: On the other hand -- maybe he knew enough to get on V23 and that was all he really needed to know for his purposes Re: the flight path - I think there are a lot of question marks - esp when you try to square it up with the transcripts, such as they are. The problem is that some folks think it has to be all or nothing. Like for the money to be a the T-bar, there has to have been a direct flyover of that stretch of beach using a flight path that follows a straight line from the airport to T Bar. The original flight path as shown is not a straight line, but for some reason when alternate paths are drawn to show whether a dropzone is probable or not you could straight edge that route. Go figure. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

I've seen Robert's history already. Yes. It's very impressive. On the other hand, Paul Soderlind and his team at NWA were very experienced, and smart as well. And none of them said Cooper jumped near Tina Bar. Soderlind's in the Minnesota Aviation Hall of Fame, by the way, and has a scholarship named for him. He's no slouch either. Now where's Robert99's case on the flight path? Or like the old television ad: 'Where's the Beef?' Being experienced and intelligent is a great thing, but doesn't excuse you from presenting a rather radical theory without bothering to accompany that theory with a bit of evidence. 1. He has presented timing evidence that the map does not match up with the transcripts AND it appears that the transcripts have been edited because they don't make sense otherwise. If there are problems with the timing, then why would you assume it is accurate or complete? Flight 305 cannot usurp the laws of time and space. If the timing does not match up you have to call the map into question. 2. Where's your source for who did the flight plan that you reference? How do we know that it is the final product? There's stuff on the FBI web site that says that the Amboy chute couldn't be Cooper's. But you question that. So your rationale that the flight map is accurate because it came from the FBI's site is illogical if you believe one and not the other. 3. Did you check out the references on Tom Kaye's flight plan analysis? Just saying.....

The evidence indicates that my suspect may have been at the North side of the Bridge of the Gods (the escape route), My speculation is that he landed east of the flight path but west of Washougal and east of intended LZ and escape route, he could have dropped some money crossing the Washougal at night, perhaps slipped on rocks and stumbled or fell, he may have had a car stashed somewhere east of the Washougal. (pure speculation in the context of my suspect) I do have a serious question that some here may know,, Is the flight path different between the Mexico and Reno destinations, in other words, did the change to Reno put the plane slightly West of the expected path or would the paths be the same?? I am trying to figure out the "expected" path to Mexico vs "actual" path to Reno.. same or different? On the tie, the titanium was a rare pure form, said not to be found in airplane manufacture, perhaps, I wouldn't rule it out/in. Further, "GreyCopGC148" left out an explanation for all the other particles found on the tie, my suspect has an explanation for all the identified particles found,, Clearly, all suspects are circumstantial until evidence puts him on the plane,, My suspect has the best circumstantial case that i have seen, I have tried to rule him out but can't YET, though I did uncover the existence of a "personal" document that I am very confident I will obtain, so hopefully fingerprints and possible DNA will rule him in or out,,, but that may depend on what the FBI REALLY has,,, BTW.. I was at the Washington Museum Saturday symposium for the Cooper discussion and neither myself nor my suspect is American... and I have not, will not read any Cooper books, I wanted to look at this fresh and objective.. Here is what I have, in general, yes it is circumstantial, I have been trying eliminate him ever since I matched his photo to the Cooper sketch.. NOT US resident re "negotiable American currency" (controversial) Aviation experience/knowledge/interest World traveller WW2 experience in Europe The particles found on the tie are a match YES a match, all of them Age, mid to late 40's in 1971 I used Adobe software to transition an obtained photo of suspect at about age 65-75 with the Cooper sketch, it is an amazing match. The position of eyes, jawline, ears, forehead, hairline, everything lines up EXACTLY.. His hair is a bit odd looking, natural but may be mistaken as a toupee Always wore a tie "Dan Cooper", has proven exposure to the name, but it is not his name NOT swarthy, though that witness sitting near him denied swarthiness.. (recent audio interview) Somewhat effeminate, meek character Works under pressure Multilingual Raleigh's perhaps from Europe WW2 military exposure.. Found evidence that he may have been at the north end of the Bridge of the Gods, a possible escape route,,, Lack of money found circulating,, taken outside US immediately, (I wonder if it could be traced in the banking system if spent outside the US in the 1970's) So, interesting, worth pursuing or not... I have a "blended' image between the Cooper sketch and my suspect that is UNBELIEVABLE, but I am reluctant to let it get into the public sphere at this early stage,,, R99 or Shutter can address this better than I, but you can get a rough estimate from here: http://www.portseattle.org/Sea-Tac/Flights-Airlines/Route-Maps/Pages/Southwest.aspx of routes. Looks like an "intended" route (if he even really had an intended route) would have been different depending where you were going to stop at to refuel. Was asking for Mexico a shrewd move to control the flight path? If so, why didn't he take refueling into account to start with? Also the flying parameters that he insisted on also had a bearing on the path they could take. Did he set those parameters (flaps, altitude) just to control his jump or to also influence the path? I don't know - I've often wondered about that Mexico destination. Was he just making it up as he went along or was it part of the plan? I've always leaned towards the former -- I think he had a general idea of where he wanted to jump and he couldn't let them in on that but I'm not seeing anything he said regarding the destination that suggests that he really was trying to influence the flight path. Edited to add: On the other hand -- maybe he knew enough to get on V23 and that was all he really needed to know for his purposes Re: the flight path - I think there are a lot of question marks - esp when you try to square it up with the transcripts, such as they are. The problem is that some folks think it has to be all or nothing. Like for the money to be a the T-bar, there has to have been a direct flyover of that stretch of beach using a flight path that follows a straight line from the airport to the Columbia crossing. The original flight path is not a straight line, but for some reason when alternate paths are drawn to show whether a dropzone is probable or not you could straight edge that route. Go figure. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Reply, You are incorrect, Jo. The money was found at Tina Bar. You are also incorrect when you state that the moniker "Tena" has been "established for some time." It has not. There has been a lot of discussion on this issue, and is confusing since the FBI in many documents and the Palmer Report state that Tina Bar is Tena Bar. It simply is not. The sign on the beach says Tina Bar, and the Fazios who own the place call it Tina Bar. Now, that has been established for some time, and the pix of the Tina Bar sign has been available for several years in several places at the Mountaiin News. The question really is: why you continue to feed the Tena Bar canard. This is important. I suspect that you and many others want to divert attention away from an association between Tina Mucklow and the Tina Bar. Remember, Tina Mucklow was a patient at the Lutheran Home Health center in Gresham at the time of the money find, just a few miles upstream from Tina Bar. Is there a connection between 5,800 dollars of ransom money being found about ten miles away from the sick bed of the primary Norjak witness and both having the name, Tina? Coincidence? Curious? Telling? Y'all make the call, but shortly after the money was found at Tina Bar, Tina Mucklow's FBI brother-in-law and Tina's sister came to Gresham and bundled her off to the Carmelite Monastery in Eugene, where she remained for twelve years even though the Mother Superior said that Tina "never really fit in here." What say you, Mrs. Cooper? Are you an agent provacateur causing trouble here with mis-information, or just a wacky gal on meds. At the risk of becoming persona non grata for defending Jo,

Sorry...I've just gotta say (and I'm not singling anyone out)...I've been following the thread for three years. I don't post for two reasons: 1. I don't have anything substantive to offer in the way of new info and/or leads. 2. This forum truly has devolved into childish bickering and in-fighting. I, for one, am sick of it. Can you guys please stop bashing each other and return to a dialog more centrally focused on solving this thing, once-and-for-all? Us non-posters would appreciate it, and might even have something to contribute. Many thanks. PS there is more "genuine interest" than you expect. exactly, I was thinking of posting a similar comment with one exception,, I have an extremely strong NEW theory and "suspect" that I have been vetting for a few years now, right down to a match for particles on the tie, but the childish and toxic environment here ends any thought of a serious discussion.. The best way to rid the forum of the childish behavior is to start a serious discussion. By all means, present your theory. I would love to hear it. Me too. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

I'm glad everyone agrees. But doesn't everyone see themselves in Group I? Will anyone identify themselves as being in Group II?

I discussed the possibility with Doug Kenck-Crispin of doing Cooper at the theater in 2014. He had good things to say about it. So...I decided to come up with a plan and presented it. I wouldn't worry. With all the negativity going around here, serious interest in such an event is doubtful. I must be convinced people are serious and there is open support. Otherwise sci-fi and family fare works just fine with me. In fact, it is true I would rather do that because THAT program is a known quantity. It worked last year just fine and attendance to a second go-around would be SRO I'm sure. The planning committee, should I suggest Cooper in January, is going to question me on WHY COOPER. If I don't have a suitable answer for them, I won't even bring it up for consideration. This is the reality: SOMETHING is going to go on that weekend at the theater and right now that is what I know already worked...unless I have reason to go with the program I listed in detail above. In the same post you disparage people here on the forum as well as any potential presenters, disparage even the very idea, then turn around and ask for input/interest/support? Confusing to say the least. I think I agree with Shutter and Mark. Seriously, If you want to do something Cooper related at a festival, do it. If you don't, don't. The folks that want to show up will, the ones that don't, won't. If anyone is interested in working with you, I'm sure they will let you know. Sounds pretty simple to me. Even without a committee.

Sent you a pm Jo. On another note -- Found this newspaper article - Seattle times. Nov 25, 1971. I'm sure we've probably seen it before but the pic of the passengers didn't look familiar so I'm attaching it again. Oh well...too large. if you're interested it's here.... viewing the pdf worked best for me. https://archive.org/details/229921-cooper-1971 but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

I doubt the Seattle FBI even bothered to question the witnesses I listed in the Christiansen Report. That doesn't concern me much anymore. The way I figure it, because the report is a free download and the main information is really about the named witnesses, sooner or later someone will get to the accuracy of the allegations. Maybe next month, next year, maybe never. On another note: How many of you (*show of hands*) actually own a copy of the Max Gunther book D.B. Cooper - What Really Happened? I do NOT own a copy, although I have ordered one recently from Amazon. Someone sent me a very interesting document today. It's a list of 'things' from the book, with a list of comparisons. Right now, that's all I can say about it. I don't want to publish it or venture any opinions on it just yet...until I see the Gunther book for myself. The reason I'm asking if any of you own the book is because when you state your opinions on the document, I want to make sure they are educated opinions, and without a copy of the Gunther book you can't do that. Neither can I, which is why I ordered one. If the document is accurate (and I have no way of knowing yet, without seeing the book) it is far beyond the realm of mere coincidence. Believe it or not, I am basically a skeptic on these things. What is this document? It's a comparison list with page numbers added. If it is true, all you can say is 'whoa...no WAY'. Can't wait for the book to arrive so I can check it against the document. If the items listed in the book match the list of comparisons, I will publish everything in its entirety. For now...I am off the air until after Thanksgiving weekend, or until the book arrives. And I wish everyone a VERY happy holiday.

Hi Uberalles, You forgot me, but I forgive you. I can't find it now but I either referenced or attached an article about the parachute and skull find a while back. No one bit so I'm glad you brought it back up. I thought it was rather strange myself. I have looked, but so far have been unable to find any follow-up. What I also found strange was the complete lack of - "hey who the hell is this guy". I know the media has a short attention span, and maybe it was there and I just missed it - but it is one of those things that make you go hmmm. They didn't really say how old the remains were, but I did not get the impression that the skull had been there for a lot of years - so seems like someone would have remembered the guy that jumped from the plane and never made it back to wherever he came from. I've got a tip for all the mafia dudes out there. Forget cement boots or gravel pits - just drop em out of a plane in Washington and their bodies will either never be found - or if they are found, no one will be that interested in finding out how they ended up out there. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Has anyone had a chance to look at the WSHS documents? I'm still reading and trying to correlate with the transcripts. Has anyone come to any conclusions or is it too early yet? BTW...Jo - You questioned whether the exhibit is pushing specific Cooper candidates. They are not as far as I can tell. The Mayfield reference did not come from the exhibit per se -- His name and his being a possible suspect was on a note written during the event by a NWA executive George Harrison, who was involved with the hijacking. I just thought it was interesting validation of another Cooper legend. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Yeah. Kind of hard not to notice that, huh? And the letter from NWA congratulating Kenny on 25 years of service with a silver bowl and a pin on the very day the Statute of Limitations was due to expire on the hijacking. LOL. I wonder why he skipped the free flight to Minneapolis for the banquet, even though his family lived nearby. I don't know if he was the guy but sometimes I think about what WSU prof Buddy Levy said about Kenny on Decoded: conspiracy's be a flying again.... did Kenny pick that mortgage or bank? do you know the million reasons why Kenny might not have been able to attend? I doubt they were checking the sketch against everyone coming in the door lol Esp if Kenny wasn't fond of Northwest, he might have had no desire to do the dog and pony show. But really, the problem I see with this "coincidence" is that the dinner was on the 13th, so the statute of limitations had not reached the date that it would have expired (were it not for the John Doe warrant) - so basically, November 13th was no different in that respect than April or June 13th. So I'm not seeing how you can draw a connection. Not to mention a lot of airline employees, even retired, got free or greatly discounted fares so it's possible he could've hitched a ride to Minn anytime if he wanted to see his family. But the 25 years of service is interesting. Sometimes employees have the opportunity for employee stock purchases either separately or in a retirement plan. Be interesting if that came to light as another source of funds that no one has mentioned. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill

Seattle First, formerly American Savings, formerly Tacoma savings and Loan. American Savings and Loan was mortgage on the original warranty deed. Probably a merger or buyout occurred after 1972. Coincidence? I think not. The merger/buyout/whatever it was would be after the hijacking. Seattle First was a large organization. Banks /savings and loans buy each other all the time. What control would Kenny have over that? None. What control would Kenny have had over which bank the money came from. None You throw a dart at random on to a dark wall, and shine a flashlight to see where it went. Wow, it hit a bull’s eye! Amazing! Very few of us bother to turn on the light switch. The flashlight of our selective attention blinds us to the underlying reality. It turns out that the whole wall is tiled with bull’s eyes! from http://wordplay.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/07/19/numberplay-rare-coincidences-are-very-common/?_r=0 You can extrapolate from the above what you need to. But basically, wishful thinking aside, there are no more coincidences with Kenny Christiansen than with any other candidate for the DB Cooper award. And getting fewer with every revelation. but....A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on.....Winston Churchill