Robert99

Are you going to the Portland or Ariel gatherings? As of this moment, I don't have any plans to do so. As you know, I had hoped to pay another visit to that area this past summer but a couple of distractions (one was the fire and the other is a possible health matter) got things out of synch. But I would like to talk to Richard Fazio for a few minutes so maybe all things are still possible. And who knows, maybe I could then make a more leisurely trip there for a few days next summer.

What drugs are you on! ? John Peters "Johnny" Ringo (May 3, 1850 – July 13, 1882) was an outlaw Cowboy of the American Old West who was affiliated with Ike Clanton and Frank Stilwell in Cochise County, Arizona Territory during 1881-1882. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Ringo Johnny Ringo an outlaw? No way! But of course everyone in Tombstone in the 1880s could be called an outlaw. Johnny Ringo, the blogger, has never answered my question if he runs the bar with his name in Tombstone. That bar is about 21 miles from my driveway. But it is only 20 miles from here to the O.K. Corral where a famous gunfight took place in the 1880s which has since become a Hollywood fairey tale. Never been there. Wasnt Ringo part of the Clanton gang that the Erps took down, or is that another 4 Monsters Abreast tale? People south of here argue over whether Jessie James even existed ? Tombstone was a law unto itself in its "golden age". Everybody was gunning for everyone else and Johnny Ringo and the Earps and Doc Holliday did have "issues". But they were all basically cast from the same mold. They were all gun fighters. Ringo may, or may not, have shot himself or then maybe someone else shot him. There are several versions of how he met his end maybe none or all of the versions are correct. The true story of what went on in Tombstone in the 1880s could be very elusive. After the gun fight at the O.K. Corral, the Earps were initially charged with murder but justice was a matter of interpretation and they ended up being run out of town. But before they got out of town, one of the Earp brothers was murdered. And the Earps replied in kind to the suspected culprits. Somewhere around 1900, a fellow named Earp who was a close relative of the Tombstone Earps was killed after a "misunderstanding" in a card game at a saloon in Willcox. No one was ever charged in that matter. Today, there are sometimes gatherings of the Earps and Clanton descendants, obviously at different times, in Tombstone. Who were the good guys and who were the bad guys is a matter for you to decide.

What drugs are you on! ? John Peters "Johnny" Ringo (May 3, 1850 – July 13, 1882) was an outlaw Cowboy of the American Old West who was affiliated with Ike Clanton and Frank Stilwell in Cochise County, Arizona Territory during 1881-1882. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Ringo Johnny Ringo an outlaw? No way! But of course everyone in Tombstone in the 1880s could be called an outlaw. Johnny Ringo, the blogger, has never answered my question if he runs the bar with his name in Tombstone. That bar is about 21 miles from my driveway. But it is only 20 miles from here to the O.K. Corral where a famous gunfight took place in the 1880s which has since become a Hollywood fairey tale.

Those really are "Superpeople"!

Jo, It was the FBI personnel who dug up several areas near Brian Ingram's find and found the money fragments 2 or 3 feet down.

Blevins, Let me say first that you and I actually agree on something. Apples grown in the Yakima area and other areas close by are very good indeed. Also, I agree that everyone on this thread is entitled to their own opinions, humble or otherwise. Blevins writes: The available evidence IMHO shows that Flight 305 was EAST of the Interstate 5 freeway while zipping along on its way to Portland, and then Reno. RN99 replies: If the hijacked airliner was on the centerline of V-23 during its flight thru the Portland area, then it would have been east of I-5. However, even on the FBI maps, there are indications that the airliner was west of the V-23 centerline for considerable distances. And there are other reasons for believing that the airliner passed west of Portland to avoid the possibility of being blown up over the city. That would put it west of I-5 for quite a few miles. Blevins writes: Two feet deep in sand is NOT that deep. Sand along riverbanks also has a habit of shifting around a bit due to the heavy Northwest rains and occasional windstorms. So there is no way to truly tell how deep the money was originally buried. RN99 replies: Are you suggesting that some money was buried under only two inches of sand while other money was buried under two feet of sand just a few feet away and essentially at the same elevation above the river? Incidentally, I do have some experience with how sand is influenced by flowing rivers including the Columbia (actually, it was mainly experience in a river that flowed into the Columbia a few miles later). Blevins writes: I believe Tom Kaye hit on something with his simple fan test and by discovering that the numbers on the bills were still aligned, even to the point that the ink from those numbers bled into each other perfectly. This does NOT point to the money being washed around anywhere from anywhere else. RN99 replies: Are you suggesting that the money arrived, by unknown means, at Tina Bar on the evening of the hijacking and has been there ever since? Blevins writes: It's even possible that some OTHER kid (besides Brian Ingram) on that Tena Bar beach found the money first and playfully buried it in the sand. Who knows? RN99 replies: You are kidding aren't you?

NO NO NO. Too many thing point to the fact the MONEY was on that beach FOR LESS THAN a YR, There is NO proof the money was every in the water for any lenght of time. That money was planted and there was more planted, but never found. After all of these yrs - I actually believe right across from the PDX - Duane buried money along the shoreline. In 2001 there were 4 new homes built there...I did NOT go to the second site due to time, but I was told it was very similar to the place Duane went down to the river the first time. We made 4 stops and I believe Duane made 3 deposits. What brought you to that decision? Perhaps speculation, but not facts. Sounds like you are following the Cook theory. Yes there was a landing EAST of I-5 - and I would put my life on the line on this! Jo, How long had the fragments of money that were found under two FEET of sand been there? How long had the bills that were found under two INCHES of sand been there? For starters, I would suggest different lengths of time. And that means that the money deposition at Tina Bar was a repeatable event. So you are now claiming that Duane buried money at three different locations including near the Portland Airport. The last I remember, you were only claiming that Duane threw a paper sack, contents unknown, into the Columbia River. I have not read anything by Cook (Galen Cook?) and have no idea what his theory may be. Jo, If you are betting your life on a landing east of I-5, then I would suggest that you get your affairs in order.

On the matter of tariffs, didn't the apple growers in Washington State have a problem with Japan just a few years ago about tariffs? How did that turn out? Oh, I haven't a clue. The last time I did farming I was a kid on a truck farm in Sumner. I do know this: The Seattle Times claimed in an article last year that marijuana (mostly indoor grown) was now Washington's number one cash crop, not apples. (*laughs*) One reason might be they have the medical law thing here. Blevins, If you have bothered to read a newspaper or seen a TV news program in the past several decades, then you do have a clue! Since the Washington State apple problem with Japan had to be resolved (if it ever was) at senior levels in the respective national governments, I strongly suspect that there was some mention of it in the Washington State media. So how have you managed to remain ignorant of it?

On the matter of tariffs, didn't the apple growers in Washington State have a problem with Japan just a few years ago about tariffs? How did that turn out?

How is the FLIGHT PATH based on 'findings of Dr. Palmer, and physical description of Cooper by the stewardesses?' Why do you omit bleach and the Magna Carta? Sorry for the confusion. The few things are actually four things. The flight path (1) is not known precisely, and that,of course, has zero to do with the late Dr. Palmer. So, no one really is 100% certain of where the aircraft flew. Where exactly did Cooper jump (2)? Again, not know for certain. There are some very reasonable, objective guesses as to the flight path and the departure point. The findings of Dr. Palmer (3) seem to play a very large role in this mystery. The entire Cooper mystery changed when the money was found, thus the washed ashore/placed by humans intentionally/dredged up/ et al can of worms was opened. The physical description of Cooper is provided by two or three flight attendants, and it seems that many possible suspects have been excluded or included simply due to their match to the original and revised descriptions. So, this brings me back to my assertions that there are only four things that the entire body of work regarding the search for DB Cooper revolve around. Does this seem plausible? I omitted bleach because I prefer Oxy-Clean. I didn't think the Magna Carta added any value to the discussion. King John may beg to differ. Pek771, While only Georger can speak for Georger, bleach is sometimes used to sterilize (such as the Seattle ATC radio transcripts) and the flight crew may have had the Magna Carta in mind (rather than the words of the NWA President) after the FAA Chief Psychiatrist passed the word to them that they could expect Cooper to blow up the airliner as he jumped. Perhaps the flight crew took matters into their own hands, in an act of self preservation, and the radio transcripts were purged in order to help keep things calm in case Cooper survived and decided to return the favor. After all, don't blame the flight crew for something that can be blamed on a stormy night, even if it wasn't stormy. Basically, the only believable information in the public records as to where Cooper jumped is the location where the money was found. The general consensus of opinion seems to be that the money was not moved any appreciable distance by water. The idea that someone planted the money is, at least to me, laughable. Somehow my brain simply cannot process that suggestion. So that essentially leaves only one real alternative. And that is that Cooper landed very near where the money was found and on solid ground. This seems to be to radical for some people who require more complicated explanations. But so be it. For Blevins sake, I should point out that the above completely eliminates a landing point east of Interstate 5.

Blevins writes: Americans hate buying imports from homegrown companies who have flown the coop for cheaper labor. RN99 replies: The managers of labor unions hate that, but even the union members and the general public buy the same imported products that they used to manufacture here.

Jerry, Read the label on those peaches. In the late 1990s, I happened to be passing through Georgia and went into a supermarket for reasons I don't now remember. I happened to pass by a beautiful display of peaches and stopped to look at the label on the peaches. The labels said "Product of California". So the Peach State was importing peaches from elsewhere. I guess Georgia just forgot to switch the labels. I thought he was talking about the 'other' HOT peaches. Maybe I was mistaken'. I want to go to Ariel this year also.....Jerry, you can drop your car off in Minnesota and I will bring it to Ariel this November. I could work that into my schedule for you!!! It would not be a problem on this end. :) Vicki, The other "hot GA peaches" are already in LA. No we are not!! :) The 'other' HOT peaches reside in Minnesota!!! Farflung, Duty calls. Can you get this situation in Minnesota under control? And I was referring to "Georgia peaches" not "Minnesota peaches".

Jerry, Read the label on those peaches. In the late 1990s, I happened to be passing through Georgia and went into a supermarket for reasons I don't now remember. I happened to pass by a beautiful display of peaches and stopped to look at the label on the peaches. The labels said "Product of California". So the Peach State was importing peaches from elsewhere. I guess Georgia just forgot to switch the labels. I thought he was talking about the 'other' HOT peaches. Maybe I was mistaken'. I want to go to Ariel this year also.....Jerry, you can drop your car off in Minnesota and I will bring it to Ariel this November. I could work that into my schedule for you!!! It would not be a problem on this end. :) Vicki, The other "hot GA peaches" are already in LA.

Jerry, Read the label on those peaches. In the late 1990s, I happened to be passing through Georgia and went into a supermarket for reasons I don't now remember. I happened to pass by a beautiful display of peaches and stopped to look at the label on the peaches. The labels said "Product of California". So the Peach State was importing peaches from elsewhere. I guess Georgia just forgot to switch the labels.

As an added bonus, it would have made it easier for the hunt for the skyjacker to begin. There would have been a crash site and hundreds of folks would have been on the scene very quickly. Everyone would know for certain that the hijacker must have jumped from the plane north of any crash site. As it happened, Cooper gave himself a narrow escape window by sparing the plane and crew. There would also be the matter of the bomb evidence, which could have eventually led the FBI to the hijacker. This window was the initial confusion and uncertainty on when/where he *probably* jumped. By the time that was determined and ground searchers got organized, Cooper was either a hole in the ground, at the bottom of a river or lake, or long gone. Okay, Blevins, you apparently feel you know exactly where Cooper jumped. Where was it?

As you are probably aware, Neil Armstrong had to eject from a lunar lander trainer vehicle at the NASA Houston facility when it ran out of fuel for its reaction control system. He was all over the place for a couple of seconds and was very low and almost horizontal when he did eject. There is video of that incident that gets shown periodically. Running out of fuel for the descent engine is no better if the lander is several feet above the lunar surface. Armstrong was fully aware of the situation and the possible outcomes.

Amazon, Please note that Jo was talking about the highway between the Bridge of the Gods and Vancouver. I have never driven between the Bridge of the Gods and the area of the intersection of I-82 and I-84 west of Pendleton. So if the higher elevations that you mention are in that stretch of WA Hwy 14, I will concede the point. If not, I'll still concede the point but now I have to figure out why I didn't notice the higher elevations on Hwy 14.

In my communications with Jerry I explained it as a small Mountain or hill. It is called Mt on a map - so there you are missy. There at 2 MTs by that name and even Georger knew what it was if he indeed spent many yrs in WA. You do pick at words. PIck Pick Pick - listen to the logic and get yourself a 1971 map of the area - it is called a MT. Jo, I HAVE lived in WA (east of the Cascades) and if my memory is correct, we always called "mountains" by that name and "hills" by that name. I would expect that a smart Florida real estate lady, such as you describe yourself, could tell the difference also.

What Jo is describing as a mountain does indeed look like a mountain to her since the road she drove on to The Bridge of the Gods is WA HWY 14 in the Columbia River Gorge... which to someone from Florida where the greatest elevation of 345 feet, the road and its surrounding topography does indeed look "mountainous". Amazon, with all due respect, didn't Jo live in Colorado with Duane for some time? As I recall it, the Rocky Mountains were clearly visible every time I was in that state. And I have driven on roads that were up to 11,400 feet above sea level in Colorado. Also, didn't Duane take Jo to Portland/Vancouver at one time? Presumably, she noticed the Cascade Mountains based on information in one of her recent posts. And Jo should have also noticed other mountain ranges during that trip. Admittedly, there are mountains on both sides of the Columbia River gorge in the Bonneville Dam area. But the roads themselves follow close to the river, and are not very high above sea level.

As many as think they can make a buck from such a silly claim.

Jo writes: When I was in WA in Oct of 2010 this last yr. I had to drive that same road from Washougal to the Bridge of the GODS. I was terrified and I was driving this mountaineous terrain. Jo, Regardless of whether you were on Interstate 84, on the south side of the Columbia River, or on WA State Highway 14, on the north side of the Columbia River, you really didn't do any mountain driving between Portland/Vancouver and the Bridge of the Gods. In fact, you were probably not more than 200 feet above seal level at any point on that drive. There are probably places in the Florida panhandle that are more "mountainous" than those roads.

Georger writes: Because: unless the found bundles were something as specific a a group of bundles DC stuffed in his coat pocket, separated from the rest of the bundles, then the 3 bundles found are part of some 1000 bundles which existed in a container as DC jumped. How do only three bundles turn up 9 years later at Tina Bar vs the 997 other bundles which were not found? Georger, It was estimated that the 3 bundles that were found contained approximately $2,000 each. So if each bundle contained $2000, there would only be 97 bundles missing. And those 97 bundles would weigh a total of about 21 or 22 pounds.

They just ignore it like it was never said - and that is what the FBI did to me for yrs. Maybe now they are listening - you think? Well, they will be very very soon - with what I have finally decided to do - hell what do I have to loose - my life? Not worth much right now....since the world has labeled me a loo loo. So I might as well go forward with everything I have! If I fail - and they can PROVE it is not Right - then prove it before I make my leap......... If the FBI has the GOODS that prove Weber WAS not Cooper - it is speak NOW or forever hold you peace. I have stayed out of the media for over 10 yrs - that does NOT mean I stopped nor did My people stop investigating the background of Duane L Weber aka John C. Collins aka Dan Cooper. Jo, No more threats! Just do it! But if you are having violent thoughts, get in touch with your shrink as fast as possible.

Jerry, Himmelsbach writes on page 111 of his book that "Bohan was four minutes behind and 4,000 feet above Flight 305." Since Flight 305 was at 10,000 feet, Bohan would be at 14,000 feet. Regardless of where Bohan was, the wind at 10,000 feet was from the southwest at between 25 and 30 knots. If Flight 305 had experienced an 80 knot wind, generally from the south, it could not have made it to Reno.

WGK146, You did not start this. This argument has been going on for years. And you are not causing any trouble. In reality, the weather for the flight to Reno was passed to the airliner flight crew while they were on the ground in Seattle. It is included in the radio transcripts. They were told that the only thing of any particular concern was a layer of haze at their altitude somewhere south of Portland. This haze was a potential icing problem and they did ice up a bit when they encountered it. Basically, in the Seattle to Portland leg, the airliner was above an overcast when they got to 10,000 feeet. And there were three broken layers of clouds below that overcast. So the possibility of Cooper even seeing any lights or ground objects is zero for all practical purposes.