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OK, let me get this straight: A) You were justified in being rude to him because he was rude to you first (even though he wasn't). B) He's not justified in being rude to you even though you were rude to him first (you were, very). That about right? Well if you had read all the post carefully you would see you are wrong. But as it is clear on this post, that you are being personal over your friend. Never mind, I understand people like you =') Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Sure I will honor my bet, that is one of the best bet I ever done =) Well I realized you were a wall to talk to after 3 posts chatting with you. If you cant respect someone elses opnion and insist on it, then its the same talk to a wall in it. Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Johnmatrix I dont produce wingsuits darling. Giselle, 11.37 AM. "I Designed a prototype." Giselle, 11.37 AM. "I never said I will design wingsuit," Anyone else confused? Ok Jake lets play your stupid game, seems I'm talking with a 12 years old boy, so lets go... I dont produce wingsuits, I hope thats clearly for your simple brain understand. Secondly yes I do Draw, Design wingsuits on papers, same way I design many other things. Are you still confused? or do you want me to drew it for you understand? yeh gugu da da? lol Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

No I didn't. She wouldn't be the first person to claim to be a hot 23 year old, would she? For all I know it could be my uncle Dave! Well she didnt claim anything, that was MY statement :P Sorry dude, but this "I'm 23 years old female, I do Modelling work" and this "People who see me working as a model, think its just a beautiful look" say different. Damn, people need to pay attention! Oh dear jakee, Of course if there is person wrongly, telling everyone I am a monkey man, I need to defend myself dont you think? Also you should put the full sentence, because cutting the sentence the way you did, looks like I'm full of myself. Play honestly dear, when you dont it became ugly Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Nope. And I didn't call you those things either. Let's try it this way - quote where I called you somethlng rude. Skwrl, You did. maybe you call them just the names you called me in the last post. "rude, self-righteous, baselessly arrogant, and closed mlnded - unwiling to learn" Are you going to call with this names everyone who think a wingsuit will soar in the future? Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Johnmatrix I dont produce wingsuits darling. Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

If I have an opinion of you, it's that you are rude, self-righteous, baselessly arrogant and closed mlnded - unwiling to learn and insisting you know better than everyone else. But shit, I teach law school, so that's a phenotype I have to deal with every day, and I'm used to it. It doesn't phase me in the least - you'll note that I was actually willing to help you. Well Skwrl if you are a teacher you should know how to respect the opnion of other people. Do you force your students to believe in everything you say? do you call them monkey and stupid also? Perhaps all you said you think about me,is the same thing I think about you. it's that you are rude, self-righteous, baselessly arrogant and closed mlnded - unwiling to learn and insisting you know better than everyone else. Thats my opnion about you, now are you going to call me disrespectful names again? Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

No I didn't. She wouldn't be the first person to claim to be a hot 23 year old, would she? For all I know it could be my uncle Dave! And then Jake, you call me the rude one! Have a look in what you wrote dear! Peace and Love for you Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

No idea, my youtube channel? Stalker Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Well how about you realize the same? Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Did you find the same pictures I did with a google search? Smokin'!

Jake wrote: Nope. If you're talking about the messages in this thread, I am afraid that is a lie. Prove to me its a lie then! Jakee wrote: The generic 'you'. You mentioned people with the courage to make new designs who.... weren't making them. That's nonsense. If they had the courage to make them, they'd be making them. sorry? what a nonsense, jake you did not answer my question and wrote nonsense again, so I will ask again! where did I mention I'm a great designer? tell me Jakee wrote: You're laying claim to his legacy. You're trying to achieve some form of reflected credibility by pointing out that people disagreed with him, too. I'm pointing out that there's a big, big difference. Whats the difference then? oh please dont try to be clever over me, when you are not. Jakee wrote: When you recognise that it is simply opinion and not fact, and when you stop calling everyone who disagrees with you ignorant. Well I already said this is just my opnion, do you want me to repeat again or draw it for you understand? Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

QuoteGiselle! You're hot and all, and i'd definetily bone you in a heartbeat (alltough i really prefer brunettes) Quote Teigen! How do you know I'm hot? there is no pic of me on this forum, perhaps I'm not blonde or brunet, I'm in the middle Well about bonning me, I'm sorry but you dont stand a chance babes, I prefer tall blondish pale man just like my boyfriend! witch you are not sorry, QuoteBut you're on a sinking ship with this thread!Quote About been out the track, well, there is nothing wrong with having an opnion about something in it or you are going to force me believe in something I dont? No worries, Im start having a blast with all this, its comic Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

me too Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

[Reply] Count up the number of times you've used some variation of the word 'ignorant' in this thread alone. Well if you check the messages, you will see that I used the therm "ignorant" just after he called me idiot, monkey, and many other names, so I think he won this game in it? Did I say I have a great design? where show me please? another one saying something what I never said. Typical people when run out of arguments they start creating things... Did I say I want to be Galileo? where? oh please give me a brake, if you have nothing interesting to say, stop talking nonsense. Galileo was a great scientist and he battled against ignorants and religion until the end of his days on Earth. Now I ask myself, when you guys will respect my opinion, If I want to believe that wingsuit will soar one day thats my problem dont you think? Now leave me with my monkey, idiot, stupid, twilight opnion... Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

*** Mccordia wrote: Its funny you criticize ANYONE who doesnt agree with your ideas, yet cant accept the simple fact that others may have different ideas than yours.*** Wait a minute, I NEVER criticize anyone on here, thats exactly the opposite, you are the one doing that. I said I answered our fellow HGpilot that I believe that wingsuit will be able to soar one day, AND YOU called me a monkey, idiot, twilight dream and many other names. YOU ARE the one who criticize people on here, you did with me and with Trae. When you and Lurch said wingsuit will never be able to soar, I respected it, I did not call you any disrespectful names. it is your opnion and there is nothing I can do about it. I was not rude with Robibird, what I said to him I would say to anyone with the same attitude as him, its not because he is a winsuit designer that he deserve more respect that someone who is not. We were talking about our believes and non believes what wingsuit will soar one day, nothing to do with wingsuit landing an from all sudden robibird come affirming that I said wingsuit will land, and call an ambulance? I NEVER said that! when landing was a word not mentioned until that time on our entire conversation, check his message and take our own conclusions. Ultimately I never criticize wingsuit designers, completely in the other way around. I think they are awsome people, because they recreated the "wing dream" something that everyone had gave up on before. What I said is that 1 who I spoke to, is aproaching wingsuit design as a powered aircraft, and in my opnion is not the best way to optmise perfomance. Example: He based his wingsuits on motorized planes, spitfires etc. Motorized planes have the end of the wings on square shape, it generate enourmous amout of vortex witch eat big part of the performance of the aircraft, but as airplanes have big engines to move them forward, having a square wing doesnt matter much for them. but for non powered flight it is very important. From an albatroz to a sailplane, from a paraglider to a hanglider and anything else who dont have engines to power them, they have the end of their wings on a pointed shape, this is for a reason. Pointed wings, generate more lift, less drag and much less vortex in another words much more performance, and again our lovely wingsuit designer is basing his wingsuits on that way, motorized planes, witch I think is not the best way to approach non powered aircraft design. I still did not say anything to him about it, because I respect very much their work. I Designed a prototype with pointed wings and sent to one of the manufactures, to built the proto and with only 1 proto made, he said it was very good and very smooth in flight, but he could not hold his arms open for long on that wingsuit. (yes we have a muscle problem, we all know that) but I believe that there many solutions for this problem, and soon someone will come with it. Last thing, I never said I will design wingsuit, I dont have time for it, also I dont have the right stitching machines and all the tools for it. All I said is that I believe that wingsuit will be big enough to Soar one day. Now please respect my opnion and stop saying things I did not say. Thank You Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Develepka, You seems very sure that I haven't done anything yet. I will not comment on it. Secondly, I'm not an airplane builder or aeronautical engineer, and the others things you mention, oh well, I dont wish to be, I'm Actually am. Anyway, try to exchange new ideas on here were not a good idea, and all this conversation has been far from constructive and friendly. I will drop it, and Trae, I suggest you to do the same, until you or anyone have something completely concrete to show and brake the ignorance of some, (if is possible to brake) you will always be ridicularized All the best, and amazing flights in 2011 for all of us! Giselle Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Hi Trae, thanks for the support and dont let me being crucified, called a money an idiot a dream etc, just by believing in something they dont... Poor Galileo and others brilliant minds that were put the death for saying that the Earth was not flat but round and that the sun does not circle around Earth but the Earth around the sun. Seems to be a culture between most wingsuiters to ridiculirize new ideas, new people, and glorify a couple of designers. In any other area of free flight aviation PG, HG, SailPlane, any new ideas and new people are welcomed, even when the idea is not working properly yet, other pilots give support and contribute with to see if that stuff could work. I was perplexed with the reaction I have from a few members of this forum when I first mention the possibility of soar on a wingsuit one day. Seems wingsuiters when they are learning, they are teached it, "look avoid any person who say we can fly" "call them stupid" " they dont know what they are talking about" " we already created what is possible" "nothing gonna work ok? understand" then they became like a wall, talk to them about new ideas is like talk to a wall. After my first topic on this forum, a couple of manufactures contacted me, and I contacted a few also, and after a long conversation with a top manufacture wingsuit designer, I was perplexed how he dont know much about aerodynamics and airfoils in non powered aircraft's , he base his wingsuits on powered planes, when is clearly not the best approach, planes have engines therefore their wings are designed for this purpose, non powered airfoils need to be designed in a completely different way to manage more performance and less drag using the gravity for the best glide and less sink rate. But as he is a nice guy, and already manage to reach what we have today, eve applying his ideas of powered aircrafts on winguits( and his wingsuits are the best ones at the moment I must admit) so I did not went against his ideas. But as I mentioned many times, with a few ideas wingsuit could fly much more, with much more perfomance and soar easily, the problem is, the ones with great ideas and courage to make it, dont have the same tools the ones who have a manufacture of wingsuits with all the tools to creat something absolutely new and better. Even if a unknown person come up with an Amazing project and when it works, rapidly big wingsuits company will copy and start selling it, and as they are bigger companies, with much more tools to work on and a bunch of people following everything they say, the person who created the great idea dont stand a chance. Well thats how everything works anyway, on cars, planes, paragliders, etc... But hey, nothing is lost yet, we at least can try... Sorry about the English, it is not my first language. Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Mccordia, Your irony and disrespect, is sad, (please dont came with sweet words now, because you and lurch already done your show of politeness, vision and education) People have different views, different ideas, and everyone should respect each others opnions, I respect the opnion of you and Lurch that nothing is going to change and that wingsuit will never soar, it is ok and respect that, now could you please respect me view also? and stop calling me a monkey, an idiot, a twilight dream and many other disrespectful words? You dont know me to treat me this way, I've been involved with flight since I was 10 years old, the desire to fly inside me is since I was a kid. At the age of 13 I build myself a immense Hangglider made of wood(bamboo) and plastic just by looking on books, as I never had saw one before. I had a peregrine falcon for 2 years witch fly free and come back on my hand. I've been connected with everything that have wings that you could think of Birds of Prey, RC's, Trikes, HG, PG, Planes, I have collections of aerodynamics and avionic books, I study since when I was a teenager. Apart from being an advanced paraglider pilot, I graduated myself in all those courses, and also graduated in Biology and made my specialization in Birds. I designed a few concepts of aerodynamic bikes, helmets and few RC's. People who see me working as a model, think its just a beautiful look with no abilities. When in the other day Im over 3000 meters high up on the sky with my paraglider. I'm now starting my journey inside the wingsuit flying, and I do want to meet intelligent, open minded, respectful nice people on this sport. We all share the same passion, doesn't matter what, HG, PG, WS. and I think you should have more respect with people you dont know, people who have the same passion for flying as you do. All the best... Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Hi Mccordia, nice to hear your polite words again, are you having a good day? I hope so! =') Firstly I'm not a man, I'm 23 years old female, Advanced paraglider pilot, I do Modelling work with fashion/design and I'm also a Biologist,specialized in Birds and I've been studying avionics and aerodynamics in the past 4 years. Your text was long, boring and very tendentious, personal and disrespectful. Lets go for the facts... We already have this discussion before, but as usual you are always anpolite, using your answers as the absolutely true and everyone who think different from you and your loved friend should fuck off, because you and your friend know everything that is going to happen in the next 20 years on wingsuit flight in it? After you call me a monkey and many disrespectful words when you dont know the person I am and tried put all my opinions on the bin, as you are the lord of the true, I will leave it, because there is nothing I can do about it, just give it time and let see if my twilight dream as you ironic say, is really just a dream... All the best Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Wingsuits aren't rigid. The biggest problem here isn't that you think a wingsuit can soar, it's that you don't recognize the definition of a wingsuit. So the Vampire4 the X-bird the new Fusion all of them are not wingsuits? Because they got rigid extensions frames on their wings. Now probably you gonna say " ah but it is just small" Everything is relative, so if the frame from the Vampire3 was a bit longer that connected in the back of the pilot the vampire3 would not be a wingsuit anymore but a hanglider? A football ball is oval, a soccer ball is round but they still both balls. Paragliders now have rigid fibers inside them, and they still pragliders! Please open your mind people... Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

I think this is your bestest idea yet. For sure it is, Nothing to learn in our conv, only to hear nonsense affirmations =) Actually I was only answering the question about HG from our fellow free flight pilot, when you started stating your 100% sure predictions =') Anyway I will be back soon to remember my $5000 be sure =) Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

In what moment inn all my replys I said that the wingsuit would be able to soar without some rigid help? Could you please show me? Honestly this forum is tiring.... I'm sorry but I wont bother to reply this kind of misunderstand comments... As top wingsuit designers said, keep away from forums! I should have heard them waste of time Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

That's not what I said at all. Great inventors don't say "my idea is going to work no matter what". Because it might not. Great inventors learn from the mistakes made by others and the experiences that others have had. Exactly! I agree 100% with what you said now, now you are starting been a wise person, but unfortunately you are contradicting yourself with what you previously posted! Anyway Now that you are start changing your mind ad been a more wise person, I hope you dont run away with my 5000 or cancel our deal... Now keep your word! Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20

Another one come talking about Y when we are talking about X My dear, we are talking about flying not landing, I always said and say that wingsuit is too small and fast for landing yet! I already left a comment in another topic, witch I think it is not the time for landing a wingsuit yet. Then they ask why you lose your patience or be rude, thats one of the reasons... Before post a nonsense thing, learn the previous replys and try to get acknowledged of what people are talking about then post something constructive! Lauren Martins - www.youtube.com/user/gisellemartins20