CaretakerAl

You are correct. I think Mensa requires an IQ of 145. I can't qualify, but I understand the group specializes in crime solving on difficult cases. Their tests are difficult and fun to take. Thank you for my first civil response on this forum. You must be a human being (from a Dustin Hoffman film). I understand where Jamie is coming from, and it is a different situation than an author. I tried to help in my crude way, but everyone is so headstrong on here that it is impossible to discuss anything. My discussions have been with the guys you all want to interview. Long and involved discussions about everything you want to know. If you choose to continue to plow me under as a matter of "maintenance" and protection for the trainer, I expected it, but no intention of opening that door. I believe you all really know what happened. I KNOW some of you do, right from the horse's mouth, so you're afraid of what I'll say. Not going there. Can't be proven. Fabrication is not the solution. It is illegal under some circumstances... That is what gets my goat.

Go to: http://mensa-test.com/ If you can't get by these tests you certainly shouldn't be playing in the multi-tiered Norjak Theory Tournament. It is over your head. Counting to 20 on your toes and fingers does not an expert make. You cannot win in a game with loaded dice and a deck stacked with 21 jokers and no 'get out of jail' cards. It is Ambush City and the death of Bonnie and Clyde all over again, only in a reversal of the rule of law, kinda like Kangaroo Court. As indicated, I have first-hand evidence that excuses your father, so I am probably extraneous to your particular collection of beliefs as I am with this assemblage of struggling addicted Cooper fiction writers. Take the tests, they are fun!

Point made. Thank you for this opportunity to speak a few words of truth on this forum. Jo, you can have them back, you deserve them. Do you see them now for what they really are? My sympathies to all. Holiday Best!

Sorry, I must be mistaken. I was given bad information, I guess. It was my friend, then. I understood he knew you. Sorry. My bad. I will have to agree to disagree on your supposition about McCoy, however. Again, I was an eyewitness, notes, and a long list of other people who knew of McCoy's involvement. (that indemnity thing again) A negative can not be proven very easily. Since he wasn't dead yet, and given an almost identical crime, given Mac's Brigham Young medallion Cooper dropped on the plane, and my 'friend' whom I mistakenly understood was also your friend, I'm awfully certain. More than certain actually. Hey! What about that kidnapping charge thingy? Were you not aware of that? The guys on the Project sure are. Even if they closed the case that is still pending. That is why I was hoping for a pardon or clemency or something. But then, Watergate was Nixon too, wasn't it? Those guys went down in a whole bucketful. Boy! I don't know.

Is this what you want me to provide? Do you consider this proof? Somehow that doesn't register with me. I thought you wanted something that would incriminate someone. I don't see anything there incriminating. Now, the things I saw and watched, those were first hand, eyewitness evidence of criminal intent. The posters are computer matches to Weber. Weber's pictures are of the man I knew as Cooper, and the story Jo Weber tells is as I remember it being. Is THAT evidence? I watched Dan Cooper training as a parachute jumper being trained by a friend of yours and Richard McCoy. Is that evidence? Someone didn't just tell me this under oath or anything, I actually saw it myself and wrote it all down. Is this evidence? I thought it was. Guess not. OK, what would you have me do?

Just as anticipated.

There is a hidden clause. Kidnapping is forever. Charges can be brought against all participants at any time in the future. That is the point of contention.

As you are more than aware, Robert, people's rights are involved. When your lawyer gives my lawyer full indemnity papers, etc., we can get into the discussion you ask for. We both will skirt that issue, so let's be nice and try to be constructive here. We are both street smart and I think we both know a lot more than we profess. I won't pick on you, you don't pick on me. I know a lot more than you think I know. Let it lie. Thanks. That said, what would you like to discuss intelligently? Cigarettes? Given the obvious extensive planning that had to go into this 'incident' I believe there would be a very high percentage of professional law people who would profile Cooper as a smoker of a brand of cigarettes OTHER than Raleighs. I would concur with that appraisal. Since all is not what it seems in most well-planned crimes, there is a very good likelyhood he didn't smoke at all, or was even a very light smoker. Doesn't that make sense? What is the association given to Raleigh cigarettes? What people typically smoked them, coupons you know, and not the best tasting. Any thoughts? Weber smoked anything he could bum, as he wasn't buying cigarettes by the carton. He was bumming my Pall Malls, the trainer's Lucky Strikes, or whatever you were smoking if you got near enough to be asked. He would stick the cigarette behind his ear and smoke it in his own time. If he bought a pack of cigarettes they were the light menthol, no flavor ones, like BelAires. He was instructed to chain smoke coupon cigarettes, Raleighs, like he saved coupons. This instruction makes sense if you wanted to throw people off the track.

Evidence? There is no hard evidence. Proof? Proof is in multiple witnesses, and we all protect them, right? I can tell you what happened without speculation, since I was with all and each key player. I have spoken to each about my involvement and it has been acknowledged, but obviously there will be no public admissions here. It is self-preservation, and I totally understand. I have agreed to try to do no harm, but I refuse to participate in any cover-up. Catch-22. I can tell all of the truth about most of the dead guys, but the living are still at risk of personal diffugalties. So long as the courts maintain the position that this Project requires penal solutions as discovered in the McCoy case, those involved are not likely to spend millions of dollars in a useless defense. I can tell you where each of you has gone wrong, what you are missing, and what actually happened as it was presented to me. I was in the loop as a back-up witness, but was not called upon to testify. Other measure were utilized. I don't expect ANY of you to publicly affirm anything I present her, and that is fine. No harm done. I can help everyone understand the basics of what transpired, but keep in mind, the minutia of flap angles, air speed, wheels down, stuff was not something I considered noteworthy and did not record. I do have pages and pages of exact quotations on related discussions and apparently irrelevant 'history'. I have asked permission to disclose information on this case. McCoy said OK about his involvement, since he had a new identity and was terminal. O'Hara said to give it to the FBI. You all know the Weber situation. That has become untenable for me. I'm tired of being used and abused, words stuffed in my mouth by over enthusiastic proponents. Second-hand information by well meaning people who do not listen well. I have no agenda here. No books, no Ventura programs, no annals of crime files, no arrests, no fame. I am a devote' of truth and I do not believe a crime was intended here. The plan was to RETURN the money. You read that correctly, RETURN the money. This was simply pilot and top flight parachutists of the highest caliber attempting to prove some relative points within their realms of persuasion. Yes, I know you will belittle and ridicule me, call me names, try to flame me, even lie about me. I expect that crude treatment from this group, but I am not your competition. My intentions are honorable. I just can't keep sitting on the side and be unjustly lam-blasted by twistedhalf-truths and inuendo without a response. So, no proof, no evidence, nodda... just unsubstantiated facts just like the rest of you. Except mine are not all second-hand. We all deal with dead guys who can't defend themselves, and that is the way it has to be.

"Now this point of view I understand. The cover-up theory is overrated. If the FBI were trying to do a cover-up, they wouldn't have allowed Larry Carr to go public with videos and post up all those PDF's they have, right?" It is not an FBI cover-up, Robert. It is the now retired guys, the "Used-to-be-FBI," who fielded all the calls on Cooper for years, not the Agency, pilots. Conspiracy is a shelving term, this was a Presidential Task Force Project initiated in the FAA and drawing in the FBI. Fact of the matter is that there have been two breeds of FBI Agents. There were the Hoover Boys, now retired, who did things "out in the shed" to get things done around the system. The New breed of guys have been moralized after Ruby Ridge and Waco, and are now under a new directive given after a certain female Agent spoke before Congress. The guys like Carr are honest, but the old guard saw it differently. It was the old guys that were the conspirators and they fouled, stole and substituted evidence unbeknown to these young 'whipper-snappers'. Carr apparently is an idealist and trusts the old guys when they tell him these made-up stories. Carr would arrest everybody if he could. All he has left is dead ends. It has been the old guys against the new guys. It has been a battle of the fittest. Carr said if I was right, and I am, they would never be able to solve the case. Nothing could stand up in court. Now, in order to believe this you probably had to be there, step by step, or go back and wallow through that mud. It is all there, and there have been lots of foul smelling things thrown in on top of that muck that nobody can prove. It is a very long list that all gets put up on that forbidden shelf. This one smells pretty good, relatively speaking. Don't cross it off so fast. They walk among us.