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I've never even used alcohol, but I think laws against people putting things in their own body are fucking ridiculous. If someone wants to mix coke, heroin, weed, and PCP in the privacy of his own home, the government really has no place to say they can't. Ban it in public, and no driving under the influence, but who fucking cares if it's not affecting us? I'm sure someone is going to bring out the "But but but they commit criiiimes" argument, and that's fucking stupid. Do you see people robbing old ladies to buy tobacco or alcohol? The reason the shit is so expensive is because it's illegal. Make it legal, the prices will drop, and it can be taxed. It's win/win. cavete terrae.

It's bullshit to have it in place. I don't give a fuck if the US government doesn't want to do business with Cuba, but telling Americans they may not go there and spend their own money is a load of crap. cavete terrae.

If I wanted to talk about it with them, I'd have posted in those threads. I posted it here because I want other people's opinions on the driver being charged. cavete terrae.

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You mean the only guy who had Iraq under any semblance of control in the last few decades? The guy who ran the country we had no right to invade? Yeah, good call. cavete terrae.

(CNN) -- A police chase through the streets of downtown Phoenix turned into a midair tragedy Friday afternoon when two television news helicopters covering the action collided and crashed to the ground in smoke and flame, killing all four people on board. KTVK-TV said photojournalist Jim Cox and pilot Scott Bowerback were killed. KNXV-TV identified its crew as photographer Rick Krolak and pilot Craig Smith. The helicopters collided as the rival stations were covering the police pursuit of a stolen white truck towing a trailer. Assistant Chief Mark Angle of the Phoenix Fire Department said wreckage from both helicopters then landed in a downtown park. Aerial footage from another station covering the chase, KPNX-TV, showed large plumes of black smoke and flames coming from the wreckage. Watch smoke and flames pour from debris » "I was driving and heard a bang," one unnamed witness told KPHO. "I was standing out on Central Avenue and I was looking over to the park and saw the helicopters get close," Jerry Fender told KPHO. "The blue one split and went down. The red or orange one went right after it." "Looked something like 9/11 with debris exploding everywhere," said witness Brian Kenneth, the station reported. Rick Gotchie, a Phoenix air-conditioning contractor working at a nearby building, was watching the helicopters circling the scene and noticed they were getting closer to each other, The Associated Press reported. "I kept saying go lower, go lower, but he didn't," Gotchie said. Angle said the "silver lining" in the accident was that the choppers did not hit any structures on the ground. The site of the crash was near a Veterans Affairs hospital and several high-rise buildings, he said. "We do not believe at this time that anyone on the ground was struck," Angle said. The National Transportation Safety Board announced it will send a team to Phoenix to investigate the crash. Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Ian Gregor told The Associated Press that the agency is reviewing air traffic control tapes to see if the helicopters' pilots were communicating before the crash. "Typically air traffic controllers clear helicopters into an area where they can cover a chase like this," Gregor told AP. "Once they are in the area, the pilots themselves are responsible for keeping themselves separated from other aircraft." Phoenix Police Chief Jack Harris said the chase began when police received a report of a stolen vehicle and began pursuing a suspect, who eventually abandoned that vehicle and stole the white truck that was being chased at the time of the chopper collision. The suspect later bailed out of that vehicle and barricaded himself in a house, where he was captured by SWAT officers who stormed the residence, police said. Phoenix police Sgt. Joel Tranter said the man was treated at a hospital for several dog bites before being booked into jail. The police chief said the suspect will likely face criminal charges for the deaths in the helicopter crash. "I think he will be held responsible for any of the deaths from this tragedy," Harris said. The park would remain closed indefinitely while investigators worked, Tranter said. That's fucking bullshit. It's not his fault the fucking pilots didn't maintain separation. They were bad pilots and paid with their lives and those of their passengers. There is nobody to blame but the people at the controls. cavete terrae.

So where's your actual evidence of Iranian state-sponsored attacks on Iraqi civilians? Do your 5 alleged friends have any actual proof that they had family killed by "Iran govt officials"? I didn't say we're nuking them. I said the fundamentalist that runs the US would probably like to do so. Yeah, we're going to great lengths and risks to clean up the mess WE made. If we hadn't stuck our nose where it doesn't belong, this wouldn't be on us to clean up. We made the bed, now we're sleeping in it. That's what being an aggressive self righteous wannabe world cop gets you. cavete terrae.

Read harder. I specifically said civilians. The reason I said civilians is because if I were in Iran's position, you can bet your mom's anal virginity that I'd be helping my neighbour out against an aggressor too. Iran and Iraq weren't exactly friendly, but when your neighbour gets attacked without reason by a foreign power hell bent on crushing your country's government without provocation just because they don't like your government and religion, it's not a stretch to surmise that you might be next. Helping that neighbour raise as much hell as possible might make the foreign power think twice about picking on your country for no good reason, especially if you're more likely to put up a good fight. You think if China suddenly invaded Canada the US wouldn't freak the hell out and help defend? This isn't much different, except that the US and Canada haven't recently been at war. Do I condone Iran helping Iraq (if they even are…)? No… but I sure as fuck understand why they're doing it. cavete terrae.

Yeah, but I haven't jumped in too damned long. Working ~70 hours a week right now means I need to go get some de-stress jumps in cavete terrae.

My ride to work is about 15km, takes me ~40-45 minutes, depending on wind. That having been said, there are some pretty nontrivial hills, and I have to stop at lights, etc. cavete terrae.

I didn't get to jump on my first or second, either Gonna have to make up for it next year cavete terrae.

Remember: NOBODY looks good in a turtleneck. cavete terrae.

It was on the 24th cavete terrae.

Recycle and reprocess it, then reuse it. 95% of "spent" fuel can be reused if the US would get off their lazy fucking asses and do it. Yes, that leaves the 5%, but that's a lot less to worry aboutit. cavete terrae.

"Oh noes! Teh Iranians are doing business with Western companies!" So does anyone have any of this alleged evidence linking the Iranian government to terrorist attacks on civilians? Or is this more bullshit from Bush and his cronies so he can get people to become even more bigoted so he can just start nuking Muslims to fill his little fundamentalist heart with joy and no fear of people speaking out. cavete terrae.

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Friend of mine used to go snowman killing with friends when they'd get drunk… drive in the pickup truck and dive out and tackle snowmen close enough to hit from the bed of the truck. "supposedly", one neighbour got sick of it and built a snowman around a fire hydrant. That's the apparent explanation for how said friend broke his collarbone and several ribs cavete terrae.

Wow. You definitely have some strong convictions. I scored - Romney 14, Thompson 11 On the low end I think it was Kuchinick -9 I am nothing if not opinionated. cavete terrae.

Yeah, I wondered that as well. I support private funding of it, but I'm not really big on the idea of fedgov pissing more money away until the budget is under control and the deficit is fixed. cavete terrae.

Points, and what we disagree on apparently (my view in parentheses): Paul 55 Net Neutrality (I support), Same-Sex Marriage (I support. If we can ruin our lives, why can't they?) Kucinich 36 No Child Left Behind (not everyone is cut out for college, or even for graduating high school. It sucks, but that's how it works.), ANWR Drilling (it's there, use it), Assault Weapons Ban (Governments get out of control, and citizens may need to fix things. Pitchforks aren't the tool of choice for that.), Guns - Background Checks (see AWB), Citizenship Path for Illegals (Sorry, but breaking the law shouldn't be rewarded), Universal Healthcare (Nice in theory, I hate it in practice) Gravel 34 Citizenship Path for Illegals, Border Fence (Border security isn't a bad thing), Universal Healthcare Obama 9 ANWR Drilling, Assault Weapons Ban, Guns - Background Checks, Patriot Act (it's wrong wrong wrong wrong for that act to exist), Citizenship Path for Illegals, Iran Sanctions (They have as much right to nuclear energy as we do.), Same-Sex Marriage, Universal Healthcare Biden 9 Death Penalty (If the state executes one innocent person, the state becomes a murdered), No Child Left Behind, ANWR Drilling, Assault Weapons Ban, Guns - Background Checks, Patriot Act, Citizenship Path for Illegals, Iran Sanctions, Same-Sex Marriage Dodd 5 Death Penalty, No Child Left Behind, ANWR Drilling, Assault Weapons Ban, Guns - Background Checks, Patriot Act, Citizenship Path for Illegals, Iran Sanctions, Iran - Military Action (see sanctions. We have no right to tell them what to do) Brownback 2 No Child Left Behind, Patriot Act, Guantanamo (Being held without trial is not cool), Citizenship Path for Illegals, Net Neutrality, Iraq War, Same-Sex Marriage, Same-Sex Civil Union, Same-Sex Constitutional Ban (there is no need for the fedgov to be involved with this) Thompson 0 Clinton 0 Richardson -1 Edwards -2 Cox -8 McCain -15 Huckabee -17 Tancredo -24 Giuliani -32 Hunter -34 Romney -39 cavete terrae.

My probability of death is 100%. It's just a matter of when and how. cavete terrae.

Give her six months in lockup. Maybe she'll learn a lesson. cavete terrae.

I'm willing to listen, but there are certain things that I will not stand for: Censorship, suppression of civil liberties, pretending to be a WorldCop, unprovoked war starting, etc. Out of those running, Dr Paul is the only person who meets most (not all) of the things I'm looking for. I won't pretend he's my perfect candidate, but he's closer than any other serious contender. cavete terrae.

I already know who I'm voting for. if he doesn't make it to the final ballot, I'll write him in. Anything else is an ethical compromise. Ron Paul in 2008! cavete terrae.

I will not vote for anyone who didn't vote against the patriot act if they were in office when it was pushed through. Same for the military commissions act. As for the healthcarestuff™, health care does need work, but I don't think the government taking over is the answer. Should the industry get an asskicking? I normally think the government needs to stay the fuck out of business matters, but this is one of the few cases where I'd support some forced reform. But should the government foot the bill for our health? Absolutely not. Those are the same assholes who won't let us order prescription meds from Canuckia. cavete terrae.